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2009-06-24 8:34 AM

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Subject: Why I hate cycling
I mentioned in another thread regarding passion for the sport of triathlon that I hate riding. Another member asked what it is I hate about it, so I thought I'd start a new thread.

I guess hate is a strong word. It would be more accurate to say that I just don't enjoy riding. There are brief moments I enjoy the wind in my face, smell of clean air, etc. Then again, I can get that from sticking my head out the car window.

The reasons for my disdain:
-My body feels really unhappy exercising seated. My hip flexors just want to be extended. They feel cramped (not literally cramped, just claustrophobic) when my leg isn't at least mostly straight or moving in and out of being straight.
-Despite the fact that I've been riding and racing for about 3 years, I have no balance. Case in point, I fell in the middle of my only HIM a few weeks ago just because I was screwing with my bottles.
-I never improve. I do this somewhat hilly 6.2 mile loop at the local park and I ALWAYS take between 19:30 and 20 minutes to finish it. This hasn't changed in three years. All the other sports to which I've given a similar amount of effort yield improvement. Not this sport.
-My eyes water (yes, I have good wrap around sunglasses), my nose runs, I eat bugs, my head itches and I can't scratch it because the helmet's in the way. After 15-20 miles I'm just thinking, "Get me off this thing".

I'd also like to add that I spin at the gym and enjoy that much more. I think it's because I can ride standing for as long as I'd like, there are no bugs flying into my mouth, I can itch my head, I can sit up and let go whenever I want, and like most spin bikes, there's no computer tracking my non-improvement. Add to that the fact that I'm an instructor myself, so I love being in the group fitness studio.

So KSH, or anyone, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!


2009-06-24 8:40 AM
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You will probably get a lot of nice people replying with motivational advice or training tips. I'm gonna go a different route. Why do it if you dislike it so much?
2009-06-24 8:40 AM
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Take off the bike computer? I have two bikes.. neither has a comp on it right now, but usally my TT does and my roadie doesn't. On those windy days, I don't want something telling me I'm going 17mph. I train just fine with out them too.

Have you ever been fitted on your bike? It could make things a lot more comfortable for your hips. Perhaps you could use shorter cranks.

Sounds like you need to work on bike handling skills too. Practice! Can you ride with no hands? Can you take a turn with no hands? If you can get these two things down, everything else will be easy.

You need to WORK at being comfortable on the bike. If you get that down I bet you start to enjoy it more and then progress will come.

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noelle1230 - 2009-06-24 9:34 AM I mentioned in another thread regarding passion for the sport of triathlon that I hate riding. Another member asked what it is I hate about it, so I thought I'd start a new thread. I guess hate is a strong word. It would be more accurate to say that I just don't enjoy riding. There are brief moments I enjoy the wind in my face, smell of clean air, etc. Then again, I can get that from sticking my head out the car window. The reasons for my disdain: -My body feels really unhappy exercising seated. My hip flexors just want to be extended. They feel cramped (not literally cramped, just claustrophobic) when my leg isn't at least mostly straight or moving in and out of being straight. -Despite the fact that I've been riding and racing for about 3 years, I have no balance. Case in point, I fell in the middle of my only HIM a few weeks ago just because I was screwing with my bottles. -I never improve. I do this somewhat hilly 6.2 mile loop at the local park and I ALWAYS take between 19:30 and 20 minutes to finish it. This hasn't changed in three years. All the other sports to which I've given a similar amount of effort yield improvement. Not this sport. -My eyes water (yes, I have good wrap around sunglasses), my nose runs, I eat bugs, my head itches and I can't scratch it because the helmet's in the way. After 15-20 miles I'm just thinking, "Get me off this thing". I'd also like to add that I spin at the gym and enjoy that much more. I think it's because I can ride standing for as long as I'd like, there are no bugs flying into my mouth, I can itch my head, I can sit up and let go whenever I want, and like most spin bikes, there's no computer tracking my non-improvement. Add to that the fact that I'm an instructor myself, so I love being in the group fitness studio. So KSH, or anyone, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!


Sounds like you just need to chill out for a while and ride for fun--mountain bikes, beach cruisers, road bike, whatever--hop on a bike and don't worry about the pace.

Training for a tri is hard work, and you're trying to do it without being comfortable on the bike. Not that the fit of your tri bike is off or anything, but that you're genuinely not comfortable riding.

Spend some time riding and just having fun--it seems that you've overlooked the concept that cycling is actually FUN. That's just this long-time roadie's opinion.
2009-06-24 8:43 AM
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First of all, I have to wonder why anyone who"hates" cycling, or swimming or running for that matter, is involved with triathlons? There are plenty of opportunities to pursue in the sports that you don't hate.

Secondly, you say you never improve, to which I have to ask you to quantify the volume you've been riding over the past 3 years you've been riding and racing. If you truly want to improve, that volume should be around 100-150 miles per week. Yes, I said "week." Not only will you see improvement in performance, but your balance, your aches and pains, will all get better.
2009-06-24 8:47 AM
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Well...there is no info on your training logs, but I would suspect that you just need good 'ole time in the saddle.  When I'm lacking in one of the three disciplines, or jus tnot enjoying it...that's when I focus on it almost exclusively.  I mean, riding like 4-5 times per week!  You have to embrace your weakness in order to turn it into a strength...you won't magically love cycling somehow.  I am a spin instructor as well...but I'm just the opposite.  I feel like a caged animal in that studio!  Have you maybe tried joining a cycling club?  Or starting a cycling club for you fitness center?  That's what we did when I taught at LTF...by the end of the first season we had over 30 cyclists!!  Plus the miles fly by when you have that many people to enjoy it with.  Try different things...but don't shun the bike...embrace it with all you have!



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2009-06-24 8:47 AM
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This seems too easy . . . is this a trick?

Just quit - I certainly wouldn't judge you.

2009-06-24 8:54 AM
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Just buy a computrainer and a fan and ride next to a window

A.) On the computrainer you're bike is clamped in... so you can't fall.

B.) Buy a fan and you've got your wind (which you like).  And you'll be indoors so no eating insects.

C.)  Put the whole get-up/set-up next to a window and you got your outside view, as well as the outside view on the computrainer screen.

Now isn't this an easy fix?  A little too easy... NEXT! 

Happy swimming and running outside.

 

 



Edited by Dream Chaser 2009-06-24 8:56 AM
2009-06-24 8:58 AM
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^^^ The Computrainer is cool and all, but if she's falling in races while reaching for a bottle, it's not an issue of training intensity or volume. It's about comfort level on a real-world, out-on-the road bike.

I'd love a computrainer, though.
2009-06-24 9:03 AM
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Gosh, I would hate cycling too if I had all those problems.

About the bottle issue... and falling over... it might be good for you to invest in a Camelbak. No reaching down for the bottle.

I know for me, it took me about 3 years to see any improvement on the bike. AND I only started to improve once I started riding 400-600 miles a month. Yeah. So I guess it's similar to swimming in the fact that you have to put in a whole lot of time to improve. Except with swimming you get 10 seconds faster. With cycling you can gain 2-3 mph which makes you faster in a race.

Well girl, I commend you for sticking with it all these years. Great job hanging in there.
2009-06-24 9:04 AM
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I strongly disliked running, and swimming when I first started. Now, I love both. I fixed it by taking the training out of it. I like to go out like a little kid, playing around in the water, running just for fun, if I get bored I will stop and do something more fun. If you do the same thing with your biking, I am sure you will learn to love your bike.


2009-06-24 9:19 AM
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Dream Chaser - 2009-06-24 9:54 AM

Just buy a computrainer and a fan and ride next to a window

A.) On the computrainer you're bike is clamped in... so you can't fall.

B.) Buy a fan and you've got your wind (which you like).  And you'll be indoors so no eating insects.

C.)  Put the whole get-up/set-up next to a window and you got your outside view, as well as the outside view on the computrainer screen.

Now isn't this an easy fix?  A little too easy... NEXT! 

Happy swimming and running outside.

 

 


Doesn't this picture belong in the COJ Pace Booty thread?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I hate Running and Riding Hard.  Come to think of it, I hate getting up early, changing diapers, cleaning dishes, taking the trash-out, flying in coach, driving in traffic, meetings, conference calls, a whole host of other stuff.  But, I still do it because I gotta.  You gotta keep riding.  It's the most important event of the triathlon. 

2009-06-24 9:24 AM
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Have you ever tried riding in groups? Maybe you like spin class cause you are around other people andhave someone to talk to. Try finding someone to get out on the road with.
2009-06-24 9:28 AM
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Find a friend and try out some new places.

2009-06-24 9:35 AM
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Wow, great responses, thank you!!!

A few questions were posed:

Can I ride with no hands? No, absolutely no way. I can't ride standing up either (spin bike doesn't count). I guess I "bottom out" despite practicing the scraping-gum-off-shoe or making-perfect-circle techniques every time I ride.

Have I tried a cycle club? No, but that it is not a bad idea. I always worry that if I'm struggling to keep up I'll feel even worse about my non-abilities.

And best of all, why do I do it then? Why not quit? I explained this in the last thread that opened this can of worms. Cycling is like my nemesis. My Achilles heel. I dread it. When I complete a training ride or race, the sense of accomplishment from yet again beating the enemy, so to speak is amazing. It's something that is very, very hard for me yet I do it anyway. That takes way more mental and physical toughness than doing something that comes easy.

As for increasing my volume, it's not going to happen. Aside from biking, running & swimming, I personal train, teach group fitness classes, rock climb and ADORE weight training. When I switched from my normal routine of about 4-5 hours per week of tri training (which has always made me feel prepared for olys) over to HIM training which was more than double that, I was MISERABLE. I do workout about 12 hours/week, but I prefer to keep a balance among all the activities I mentioned. I also NEVER get injured that way (knocks on wood).
2009-06-24 9:40 AM
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noelle1230 - 2009-06-24 9:35 AM  As for increasing my volume, it's not going to happen. Aside from biking, running & swimming, I personal train, teach group fitness classes, rock climb and ADORE weight training. When I switched from my normal routine of about 4-5 hours per week of tri training (which has always made me feel prepared for olys) over to HIM training which was more than double that, I was MISERABLE. I do workout about 12 hours/week, but I prefer to keep a balance among all the activities I mentioned. I also NEVER get injured that way (knocks on wood).


Then don't complain that you never improve.
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2009-06-24 9:45 AM
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noelle1230 - 2009-06-24 9:35 AMĀ  As for increasing my volume, it's not going to happen. Aside from biking, running & swimming, I personal train, teach group fitness classes, rock climb and ADORE weight training. When I switched from my normal routine of about 4-5 hours per week of tri training (which has always made me feel prepared for olys) over to HIM training which was more than double that, I was MISERABLE. I do workout about 12 hours/week, but I prefer to keep a balance among all the activities I mentioned. I also NEVER get injured that way (knocks on wood).


Then don't complain that you never improve.
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It's not a complaint, just a statement. I said I don't like riding, someone asked me why, I answered. People seem to be surprised by and curious about it, hence the thread.
2009-06-24 9:49 AM
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noelle1230 - 2009-06-24 9:35 AM  As for increasing my volume, it's not going to happen. Aside from biking, running & swimming, I personal train, teach group fitness classes, rock climb and ADORE weight training. When I switched from my normal routine of about 4-5 hours per week of tri training (which has always made me feel prepared for olys) over to HIM training which was more than double that, I was MISERABLE. I do workout about 12 hours/week, but I prefer to keep a balance among all the activities I mentioned. I also NEVER get injured that way (knocks on wood).


Then don't complain that you never improve.
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It's not a complaint, just a statement. I said I don't like riding, someone asked me why, I answered. People seem to be surprised by and curious about it, hence the thread.


Fair enough, though you certainly use lack of improvement and ability (balance) as major components of your "hate." Cyclings like almost everything else, if you want to get better at it, do more of it.  If you don't want to devote sufficient time to get proficient, then find another hobby.

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Honestly, something is wrong if you can't ride standing up. Are you riding a bike that is the correct size?
2009-06-24 9:57 AM
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Fair enough, though you certainly use lack of improvement as a major component of your "hate." Cyclings like almost everything else, if you want to get better at it, do more of it.  


That's part of the problem.  When I swim or run (or rock climb, or anything else for that matter) for 2-3 hours a week I see improvements and feel more & more comfortable with the sport.  For some reason, this just plain does not carry over to biking.  I feel like I'm just stuck in neutral.  I amped up the volume for the HIM, saw vast swim/run improvements, still stuck in neutral with biking.

2009-06-24 10:07 AM
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You aren't the first person that I have heard of 'hating' cycling who does triathlon.  In our club, we have 3 who hate climbing (but don't we all?) and are scared to go fast on flats, turns and downhills.

I'll give you the same recommendation that I gave them:

6 rides without any thought as to pace or training.  Just go out there and maximize your "Wheee!" factor.  Try swerving in and out of the dashed lines on the road.  Glide downhill (no pedaling) and enjoy the wind in your face.  Ride with a preteen.  Borrow a BMX bike and ride down a path.  Just ride for YOUR pleasure.

Good luck and have fun!


2009-06-24 10:14 AM
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Actually this sounds a lot to me like how I feel about running.  I can run and run (although not enough by anyone's standards) and I never do much better than the ubiquitous 10 m/m pace, except in few out of the ordinary circumstances.   It's just a slog, time and time again.  Sometimes I enjoy it, usually the after glow, and VERY rarely it feels fun while I'm doing it.

One thing that really helped me was some confidence from a friend.  She told me that she just knew I could run faster and I wasn't allowing myself to do it.  She'd run with me, she knew what I could do if I wasn't worrying about running too fast (ie. trying to avoid side stitches, etc) and that I needed to have confidence.

After that I did a sprint tri and had her in mind.  I let myself run faster and tried not to over think it.  It worked!

I think maybe a little bit of this will go a long way with your cycling.  Being a competent cyclist has a LOT to do with confidence, esp. related to balance issues.  Are you sure you'll fall or weave if you stand up?  Then you probably will.  Believe you can do it right.  Do your best to set yourself up for success by working out your bottle issues (try different set-ups, maybe the Camelbak) to avoid the need to "mess with them." 

As far as speed goes, for me there's this magical point where momentum can take over and make biking faster quite a lot easier.  I feel miserable going 16 mph, but like I'm flying at 20.  Sure it takes more effort to get going, but it's worth it.  Also try different routes.  You've gotten too accustomed to your little loop.  You must challenge your legs to get more out of them.  I've come to actually hate my local loop, because I know which parts will suck and I dread them

I don't ride a ton - I've been doing about 200 miles per month since Spring.  So you don't need to feel bad about not doing enough.   Yes I am self-proclaimed "BikerGrrrl" so I obviously have some affinity for this sport.  But I ride with a friend who really struggles with enjoying and being good at biking, so I can understand your viewpoint.  A good dose of self confidence for her (encouraging her to ride with me, trying new routes) has helped her to improve a lot.

I hope you find some joy in this.  Even try to look for joy in those days when you're covered in sweat, road dirt in the creases of your limbs, and bugs in your teeth.  Because you know what?  You're out there doing something that people envy (being fit and mobile) and you can always take a shower

2009-06-24 10:14 AM
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It just sounds like you have the wrong bike.... Has anyone videoed you while riding?  Get a friend to drive alongside and video you.

I'm going to guess that the frame or the setup is radicallly too small for you.
2009-06-24 10:24 AM
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CptDondo - 2009-06-24 10:14 AM It just sounds like you have the wrong bike.... Has anyone videoed you while riding?  Get a friend to drive alongside and video you.

I'm going to guess that the frame or the setup is radicallly too small for you.


I bought my bike from one of the most reputable shops in the area.  They guy who sold it to me and did the fitting is not only a great triathlete in the area, but also coaches triathletes and has a doctoral degree in exercise science.  He's tweaked my fit and saddle quite a few times as different issues have come up.  I've had a few other experts say my position looked okay.  I honestly think that I'm just not good at cycling!

2009-06-24 10:27 AM
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In order to excel/improve at something you have to 1) do it lots and 2) in order to do #1 you have to enjoy it in some way whether because it brings you joy, you embrace the challenge, you enjoy the pain, etc.

It doesn't seem to me you want/can do either so my question is; why would you do someting you don't enjoy and certainly don't embrance as a challenge? You seem to enjoy a lot more other things that brings happiness into your life; why not focus on those?
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