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2008-10-19 12:10 PM

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Subject: Aero Helmets
I noticed some of the best pros don't always use an aero helmet. Is that because those type of helmets hurt your neck or is there another reason? 


2008-10-19 12:14 PM
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I think mainly they don't allow for much cooling and are generally much hotter than the non aero helmets which have much better ventilation.
2008-10-19 2:18 PM
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Rum_Runner - 2008-10-19 1:14 PM I think mainly they don't allow for much cooling and are generally much hotter than the non aero helmets which have much better ventilation.

That is the most likely explanation for the pros you saw at Kona.   Plus, some of the 'non-aero' helmets may actually be more 'aero' than some of the aero helmets.  There are a few other variables in the equation. 

2008-10-19 4:37 PM
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Snailfish,

 A properly fit aerohelmet will have no impact on your neck.  The issue lies with the risk for overheating and underperformance on the run.  Some very smart coaches have recommended that most athletes never wear an aerohelmet for this reason.  Especially heavy sweaters and those that are prone to overheating/dehydration.

 A race sim ride with an aerohelmet will make this point clear.

 I think many of us ignore the risk as run underperformance is wide-spread in triathlon so the negative effects of an aerohelmet are, somewhat, hidden in race results.

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2008-10-19 5:07 PM
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GordoByrn - 2008-10-19 5:37 PM

Snailfish,

A properly fit aerohelmet will have no impact on your neck. The issue lies with the risk for overheating and underperformance on the run. Some very smart coaches have recommended that most athletes never wear an aerohelmet for this reason. Especially heavy sweaters and those that are prone to overheating/dehydration.

A race sim ride with an aerohelmet will make this point clear.

I think many of us ignore the risk as run underperformance is wide-spread in triathlon so the negative effects of an aerohelmet are, somewhat, hidden in race results.

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Would a person notice this overheating? I like the way my aerohelmet feels better than my training helmet. I've done hot races, including a 95 deg HIM. I didn't feel at all hot on the bike. I did feel hot in the run, tho !

PS: some races are draft legal, in which case aerodynamics is not as much a factor, so they don't wear aero helmets. Not sure which races the OP is talking about.

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2008-10-19 5:25 PM
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keyone - 2008-10-19 5:07 PM

Not sure which races the OP is talking about.



I bet the OP is referring to the male and female winners of Kona this year. Both of which went w/o an aero helmet in the heat. I also believe Macca went w/o one at a HIM this year. It may have been one in Cali.

This subject is one of the reasons why I like the Rudy Project Syton so much. Aero, yet ventilated. And you can add or remove the ear covers for more or less ventilation.

Edited by ipull400watts 2008-10-19 5:28 PM


2008-10-19 6:22 PM
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ipull400watts - 2008-10-19 6:25 PM
keyone - 2008-10-19 5:07 PM
Not sure which races the OP is talking about.

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  • This subject is one of the reasons why I like the Rudy Project Syton so much. Aero, yet ventilated. And you can add or remove the ear covers for more or less ventilation.


    I listened to a podcast once that said the wind tunnel testing on the Rudy Syston showed it was no better than a regular helmet UNLESS you use the ear covers.

    link to podcast

    oops, I guess you can't get to that podcast any more :-(

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    2008-10-20 3:22 AM
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    Hi Carol,

     In your photo you look like a lean female athlete -- you would probably be at a lower risk for overheating than the average male athlete.  

    Within my own training, as well as my athletes, the ones that are going to overheat with an aerohelmet will know very quickly when they use on a race sim ride.  Of course, one does need to get out there and ride with the aerohelmet.  Speaking from experience, one can feel a bit self conscious doing a long training TT in full aerokit.  However, I believe that there are clear benefits from full-race-equipment rides.

     Hope this helps,

     gordo

    2008-10-20 7:25 AM
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    It is based on personal preference. Most aero-helmets will be faster than regular helmets but some athletes prefer regular helmets for comfort and 'reduce' the chances for overheating. This is more of anecdotal evidence given that scientific studies suggest this isn't really an issue.
    2008-10-21 1:17 AM
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    I read an article somewhere said that the aero helmets were faster if you kept your head in the right position but every time you turned your head you lost time and negated the advantages.

    I always wondered how much time an aero helmet would save over the length of the race.
    2008-10-21 7:39 PM
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    GordoByrn - 2008-10-20 3:22 AM

    Hi Carol,

     In your photo you look like a lean female athlete -- you would probably be at a lower risk for overheating than the average male athlete.  

    Within my own training, as well as my athletes, the ones that are going to overheat with an aerohelmet will know very quickly when they use on a race sim ride.  Of course, one does need to get out there and ride with the aerohelmet.  Speaking from experience, one can feel a bit self conscious doing a long training TT in full aerokit.  However, I believe that there are clear benefits from full-race-equipment rides.

     Hope this helps,

     gordo

    I know the feeling.  In the lead up to IMAZ, I did a race sim ride.  I showed up with my aero helmet and race wheels at the park I ride from.  There were lots of other triathletes getting ready for their rides.  I did feel a bit 'goofy' heading out on my ride in full aero.  But, I was very happy I did the ride as it allowed me to check out all my race day gear.  And the aero helmet wasn't too hot.



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    GordoByrn - 2008-10-19 5:37 PM

    The issue lies with the risk for overheating and underperformance on the run.  Some very smart coaches have recommended that most athletes never wear an aerohelmet for this reason.

    Based on hypothesis/conjecture and nothing proven.  Those in the cycling "know" have linked some studies showing that heat loss through the head is similar in all styles of helmets and that the risk for overheating is completely bogus.  No one has linked studies showing that it really does cause overheating.

    (Talk with A. Coggan on that one).

    The real reason should be that in their position that an aero helmet does not reduce drag for them.  For our own BT guinea pig, jeepfleeb, he was more aero in the tunnel with his normal helmet in his position over an aero helmet.  When he tweaked his position to make the aero helmet work better it was not comfortable to ride.

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    Daremo - 2008-10-21 8:56 PM 

     When he tweaked his position to make the aero helmet work better it was not comfortable to ride.

    But did he make more power?  Comfort and power aren't necessarily compatible. Lots of folks learns to ride in a suboptimal position, aerodynamically and mechanically, to make more watts.

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    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-21 9:03 PM

    Moving my arms from narrow to wide made a bigger difference than any of the helmets.




    Moving your arms out made you more aero?
    2008-10-22 12:31 PM
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    Made a bigger difference than a regular helmet over a aero one.


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    2008-10-24 3:51 PM
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    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-22 12:33 PM

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    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-21 9:03 PM

    Moving my arms from narrow to wide made a bigger difference than any of the helmets.

    Moving your arms out made you more aero?

    BT Video Article




    That's pretty cool. I actually have mine arms very narrow on my bike, however I found I was more comfortable that way.
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    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-22 1:33 PM
    ipull400watts - 2008-10-22 12:22 PM
    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-21 9:03 PM

    Moving my arms from narrow to wide made a bigger difference than any of the helmets.

    Moving your arms out made you more aero?

    BT Video Article

    Is the 6th part up yet? I couldn't 'find it.

    I'm one of those strange folks that aerohelmets appear to make me slower..same watts or more...same course..same bike..same clothes...but I'm slower at 4-5 events this year with aero helmet. I no longer wear it.
     

    2008-10-24 6:58 PM
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    I'm starting to think the aero helmets are just a fad.  You have to test it in a tunnel to find out if it will help and you have to stay in the perfect position for the entire ride.  I have this crazy habit of turning my head to the side every time a hot try chic passes me so I know it won't work for me. 

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    Because they don't want to look like a dork.....just kidding


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    KathyG - 2008-10-24 6:37 PM

    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-22 1:33 PM
    ipull400watts - 2008-10-22 12:22 PM
    JeepFleeb - 2008-10-21 9:03 PM

    Moving my arms from narrow to wide made a bigger difference than any of the helmets.

    Moving your arms out made you more aero?

    BT Video Article

    Is the 6th part up yet? I couldn't 'find it.

    I'm one of those strange folks that aerohelmets appear to make me slower..same watts or more...same course..same bike..same clothes...but I'm slower at 4-5 events this year with aero helmet. I no longer wear it.
     




    I don't see the 6th yet, I looked as well.

    How much slower are we talking about for those events?
    2008-10-24 7:52 PM
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    I think the bigger problem is with non-aero helmets in the wrong position. Some riders will drop their head when they get tired. In a head down position the vents in a non-aero helmet act like a parachute and can cause a lot of drag.

     

    2008-10-25 10:15 AM
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    Yes, it is definitely a heat-related decision to wear an aero helmet.

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