Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() YES...I'm tapering |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Go for it with confidence! You will be proud of yourself no matter what if you give it 100% -- then you will not have any regrets. Will it be enough on race day? Who knows, but you can only control your race. Best of luck to you! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think you can do it. . of course you will have to beat me. ![]() BUT like you said, just race your race and see what happens. I think your attitude is great. Remove all doubt and go for it! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Give it your all. Leave it all on the course. Know when you are done that you did EVERYTHING in your power to finish as fast as you possibly could. If you tell yourself you may not do it... you are just giving yourself an "out" for performance that will not live up to your expectations. Be positive. Expect the best. If it doesn't happen, you will know that you tried your absolute hardest. No shame in that. Good luck! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't think its a stupid move at all to approach a race thinking about what's possible. You know what you are capable of if you execute your race plan. It helps me to have a goal like "qualifying" to focus on - I tell myself things like "I belong in the top *** of my AG" and find it helps me through the low spots during the race. Good luck to you, I hope that your race goes flawlessly and you get a ticket to Kona! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't believe in jinxes...if this is a motivator that will give you that edge you need to slip into the zone and rock across the line in a KQ time, then AWESOME! I think confidence is a huge thing in racing. There is a program here at Ft. Hood called the Center for Enhanced Performance--basically neuroscience guys and sports psychology guys. They are taking the same concepts from sports psychology and applying it to Army and Soldier life, etc. in order to, as they say, "reach peek performance." They are available for us to go to them for anything--Army or life related--so I figured I might as well train for the mental aspect of Ironman as well as the physical. So, I just started working with them and can tell you that they have already emphasized the importance of visualizing doing well and goal setting. Our minds work similiar to muscles, if we train them to focus on the negative, we'll see the negative and revert to the negative in decisive moments. So, rather focusing on the "if I can" or "I can't" etc., by focusing on "I got this, 10k to Kona all the way!" I think your brain will be more apt to tap into that motivation, adrenaline, endorphins to push you through to the goal. Absolute best wishes, no jinxes, just confidence, determination, and execution! Hopefully we see you grab a KQ spot and all the "eaches" of race day all in place. I've read a lot of your posts here and definitely have never seen an elitist or cocky attitude. There is nothing wrong with confidence and you should wrap yourself in it as you move towards that start line! |
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![]() I'm not sure why anyone would think that someone realistically shooting for Kona is elitist. If that's your goal, might as well hang it out on the line for everyone to see, that way you'll have a lot of mental energy behind you from the rest of us. Nothing wrong with shooting for the moon. Best performers in IM are those that slow down the least, so I think the mental game is a huge part of that. How badly do you want it? BTW, you are already playing the mental game, but are you winning? It's either a confidence booster or a stupid move. The good thing is, you get to decide which one it is. You better choose quickly ![]() Edited by ChrisM 2009-08-18 11:36 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Go for it. Look, you'll either qualify or you won't. Going into with confidence - and staying confident throught the race - cannot hurt you ! The more I train and read about IMs, the more I convinced that it is AS MUCH mental as it is physical. I think a "10K to Kona sign is a great idea" ---- I saw a sign at RI70.3 that said "The Road to Kona Begins in Providence." GOOD LUCK ! |
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Cycling Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think it was Birkie who said he had a multiple Kona finisher ask him if he was going to KQ and when the answer was "I'd like to" the guy just smiled and walked away. Or something to that affect. The point is. If you second guess, you won't be there mentally to do it and will find excuses. If you TELL yourself that you will and you know it in your heart, you have just given yourself the opportunity as long as you are physically trained to go for it. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's only a stupid move if you let it become a stupid move...and by that I mean if you let yourself get so hung up on qualifying that you lose sight of your other goals and thus feel exceptionally disappointed if you don't qualify. I do not think it is cocky to go into a race attempting to qualify. If you think you have the talent, bring it! I think you have the right attitude going...you realize you CAN qualify, you will continuously REMIND yourself of that to help you race better, but you also realize that if the ten fastest dudes in the country show up that day, then you're probably hosed. ![]() GOOD LUCK! Can't wait to follow your race online! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If Kona is your goal, why wouldn't you do anything and everything within your power (and of course, legal and ethical) to make it happen. If that means putting someone at mile 136 with a reminder, DO IT! Your training should tell you whether you're capable of a finish time that makes you a likely top-10/KQ'er. Without being a downer, have you looked at any of the "young pups" that might have aged up INTO the M35-39 bracket? It's also possible that the same analysis you've done has caught the attention of other Kona aspirants who are now willing to risk a race in the Louisville heat/humidity. We've done some of the Lou Tice/Pacific Institute sessions at work, and visualization is a powerful tool. Keep focusing on the postive (that finish line picture with a 9:XX:XX flashing) and counter the negatives (visualize how you'll deal with each of the setbacks.) . |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Are you planning on racing slower if you aren't trying for a Kona slot? I doubt it. You are a smart guy Dan, and you just need to race your race and let the Kona slot take care of itself.
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This year I've come to conclude racing my best is more mental toughness and being in the proper mental place when it counts than I ever gave credit to in the past. I think with the same fitness, race conditions, nutrition/hydration nailed, the outcome can be different depending where you are mentally. I'm racing my IM the same day as you and my coach told me a month ago what he thinks the slowest I'd be. It surprised me as it was a time I'm afraid to hope for. So it is similar situation am I brave enough and bold enough to believe what he says and make it happen by being mentally strong and believing in myself. I need to be or I think my mind will let me slow down when it hurts due to doubt. I'm glad you shared your thoughts..enjoy your tapering..me I have 16 mile run tomorrow...so not quite tapering yet for me. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brown_dog_us - 2009-08-18 6:28 PM Are you planning on racing slower if you aren't trying for a Kona slot? I doubt it. You are a smart guy Dan, and you just need to race your race and let the Kona slot take care of itself.
x2. Race. Compete, not just complete. Make sure your mental bag of tricks is as deep as your physical bag of tricks. At some point during the race, you will look at your splits, and you will either think, "OMG, I can SO do this, I'm on target, I'm almost there!!" and you will then proceed to immediately tank, or you will look at them and think, "I'm way off base, there's nothing I can do to make up time, I hurt, I'm whining, Kona is out" and you will then proceed to immediately tank. Be prepared for those and be ready to throw them out like the trash they are. Just race. If you KQ, that will be some gloriously good icing on some pretty fantastic cake. But the icing is always optional, and the better you make the cake, the better the whole package will taste. Finally, check out my sig. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The beauty of racing an IM, Dan, is you already know what you can do if you put it all together in terms of pacing and nothing really unexpected happens on race day. With that knowledge and confidence and based on what I have seen in your training in regards to pacing, the math works out that you should be able to put together a 10 hour day, 1-1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:30-3:40 run. So your race will be about putting those three times together. It's NOT about racing for a Kona slot. You don't race for a Kona slot, they simply come to you if you put together the day you trained for. This is a big mental step you should take. Forget the slot and race the race you trained for and you will get the slot. Don't be out on the course "chasing" it, that's dangerous. Ironman isn't a race against anyone except yourself. ![]() In regards to doing the qualifying math, never assume a rolldown and figure everyone will be 10% faster than last year. |
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New user ![]() | ![]() Thanks for sharing...good stuff!!! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think it's great that you put in in writing, it shows you already have your mental game on! Good luck to you, I havent followed your logs/training but it looks like a lot of people here believe in you too! Cant wait to hear how it goes! |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I forgot to add: elitist is not: "I think I have a shot at Kona" elitist is: "if you don't have a shot at Kona you shouldn't be here" |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Marvarnett - 2009-08-18 12:00 PM I either just made the quintessintial No No of expecting to do well . If you don't expect to do well, you probably won't. I think it's a good thing. I'll be looking for KQ and your name next to it!!! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I can tell you this, Dan, not once did I ever think I would not qualify, even after getting a flat. ![]() |
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![]() bryancd - 2009-08-19 5:35 AM The beauty of racing an IM, Dan, is you already know what you can do if you put it all together in terms of pacing and nothing really unexpected happens on race day. With that knowledge and confidence and based on what I have seen in your training in regards to pacing, the math works out that you should be able to put together a 10 hour day, 1-1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:30-3:40 run. So your race will be about putting those three times together. It's NOT about racing for a Kona slot. You don't race for a Kona slot, they simply come to you if you put together the day you trained for. This is a big mental step you should take. Forget the slot and race the race you trained for and you will get the slot. Don't be out on the course "chasing" it, that's dangerous. Ironman isn't a race against anyone except yourself. ![]() I like this part |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() make sure you have your mullet |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dan, The number 1 goal for the race is to execute smart and be mentally tough when you hit rough spots. You have to be able to stick to your plan but be flexible when things need to be change for the best. Don't fret over the KQ, as I told you before, if you execute smart you have have done the work to be in the mix. It is not your fitness what might be between you and achieving that goal; it is your mind that you have to convince 100% that you are capable of, no ifs, no buts, no perhaps. You can only worry about the things you can control and that should be your focus; you will come to a crossing road during the race when you'll have to battle your doubts and if you finally realize you can do it, if you are willing to endure adversity and pain because you want it that bad, then everything will seem 'easier'. In the end, while we have certain expectations, those are only the icing on the cake; if you have a solid performance and come on top defeating any self-doubts, that would be a succesful race regardless of the actual result. Enjoy taper madeness! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() To your coach you listen! ![]() The difference in executing an IM vs. a Half IM is that it's very important to remain in the "now". You need to only concern yourself with the immediate, not 5 min. or hours into the future. That's the spot where the negative thoughts can creep in and crush your will. |
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