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 2010-10-20 3:49 PM |
Champion  11641      Fairport, NY |  Subject: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details!This is a big update. We've enabled creation of HIM and Iron Distance plans. Also, we've enabled detailed workouts. Not only are the workout distances and volumes customized to your target race and ability level, so are the workout detailed. Here are the current levels of access:
We're doing this to give you, our current members, a chance to create their own plans and to get feedback on them. What works, what doesn't, what could be improved. We have a lot of things already in the pipeline, including Power, Strength workouts and one or two other very cool things. Create your Custom Triathlon Training Plan. |
| 2010-10-20 5:29 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
Extreme Veteran 552 Farmington NY | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Nice. Well done. |
| 2010-10-20 5:44 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
Member 58 portland oregon | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! I'm really considering going silver or gold so went in and created a plan to check it out. I designated my long bike on Sunday and filled in the rest of the week. When I generated the plan it starts with a long bike on Monday, Tuesday as recovery day instead of Monday as I designated, and no run details for the short run that I designated for Friday but appears on Saturday. This is in no way a gripe, just feedback from trying out what looks to be well worth a gold membership! |
| 2010-10-20 6:25 PM in reply to: #3163638 |
Champion 13323  Gold member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Dan, Can you tell us exactly how you set it up so we can reproduce this: -Distance, Level, date range. -What days that you initially picked to go where. (example, 3 swim, 2 bike, 3 run and where you wanted the short, med, long sessions in the week) |
| 2010-10-20 7:36 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! I just ran through a quick test run to see what it would give me. When I got to the "View Plan" stage, it gave me all the workouts in metric units but the actual numbers were in miles. However, when I hover over the numbers, what pops up is the equivilant number in KMs. For example, my first bike ride shows as 14.8 KM/44 mins (to which I thought, well that's a little slow...) but when I hover over it, it pops up as 23.82 kms/44 mins (attached screenshot). Seems like it's trying to do the conversion to metric (as that's what my log is set to) but doesn't do it fully on the initial summary screen. This makes the print option no good for a metric person as it will try to print the miles numbers with KM as the units. Also, when I click on the Volume Graph button, I got an "Invalid XML data" message. Other than that, it seemed to build it exactly as I designed it. Looks good! (plancreator.JPG) Attachments ---------------- plancreator.JPG (26KB - 41 downloads) |
| 2010-10-20 8:01 PM in reply to: #3163716 |
Member 58 portland oregon | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Sure - let me know if I missed anything below OS = win 7 and xp browser = chrome 1. Plan Setup 20 week maintenance triathlon beginning 10/25 Olympic week starts on sunday in my training log settings 2. user data swim 1:30 bike 18 mph run 7:45 not a beginner swimmer 3. Plan Difficultly swim 3 bike 2 run 4 sun - bike long mon - recovery day - nothing tues- swim short, run long wed - run short thurs - swim medium, run medium fri - run medium sat - bike medium, swim long Note that I have no idea if this setup makes sense from a coaches point of view. But I guess that's why I'm here in the first place! |
| 2010-10-22 8:54 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
| Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Very cool, I have tried a few IM distance plans out, looks good so far! Thanks for all the time you guys have put into this! |
| 2010-10-22 10:57 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
Elite 2640 Ontario, Canada | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! The custom plan creator looks great, but I have one question. When I put in my personal info and choose the # or workouts per week the plan creator decides how much time/distance I should do each day. Is there a way that I can punch these number in myself? |
| 2010-10-23 6:56 AM in reply to: #3163385 |
Master 1741 Chapel Hill, NC | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! I only see Sprint and Olympic, no HIM or Full distances. Is that just offered for Bronze+? I tried it out for a Sprint plan, and it was very cool. |
| 2010-10-23 10:01 AM in reply to: #3168184 |
Champion 13323 Gold member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! You can further adjust the 'distance' of the race you choose on the first tab...which will reflect in the workout volumes/distance. mbasta - 2010-10-22 11:57 PM The custom plan creator looks great, but I have one question. When I put in my personal info and choose the # or workouts per week the plan creator decides how much time/distance I should do each day. Is there a way that I can punch these number in myself? |
| 2010-10-23 10:13 AM in reply to: #3168291 |
Champion 13323 Gold member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! We don't offer the HIM/IM for free users due to safety reasons as people (at least beginners) need some workout details. That will require the premium membership when it's available. Though as an option as a premium member, you will be able to only import the workout minutes and use your own workouts but just need a volume template. keyone - 2010-10-23 7:56 AM I only see Sprint and Olympic, no HIM or Full distances. Is that just offered for Bronze+? I tried it out for a Sprint plan, and it was very cool. |
| 2010-10-26 9:55 AM in reply to: #3163818 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Dan, the source of the problem is bolded below. On the Plan Setup tab, it states "The start day must match the Week Starts On day in your training log settings." You have this set to Sunday but the plan starts on October 25 which is a Monday. This requirement exists because we create the plans based on weekly volumes, and we want the "plan week" to match what you've defined as a week. We may have to put in some error checking that will show an information message and prevent a plan from being created in this case. danjstark - 2010-10-20 9:01 PM Sure - let me know if I missed anything below OS = win 7 and xp browser = chrome 1. Plan Setup 20 week maintenance triathlon beginning 10/25 Olympic week starts on sunday in my training log settings 2. user data swim 1:30 bike 18 mph run 7:45 not a beginner swimmer 3. Plan Difficultly swim 3 bike 2 run 4 sun - bike long mon - recovery day - nothing tues- swim short, run long wed - run short thurs - swim medium, run medium fri - run medium sat - bike medium, swim long Note that I have no idea if this setup makes sense from a coaches point of view. But I guess that's why I'm here in the first place! |
| 2010-10-26 12:26 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
| Extreme Veteran 562 | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Couple issues when creating a 12 week custom maintenance plan: 1) Surprised that target distances were race distances. Thought distances would be less for a maintenance plan. 2) My training plan settings has start date set to Sunday. The 12 week plan I developed started on Sunday and continued through Friday with Saturday as day off. When plan was generated, it was Monday through Saturday with Sunday off. |
| 2010-10-29 9:31 AM in reply to: #3163385 |
| Member 179 | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! I had an issue similar to Dan's. I put my long bike on Sunday and it printed out on Monday. This is a very cool update. |
| 2010-10-29 10:59 AM in reply to: #3163385 |
Veteran 536 Long Island, NY | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Really cool feature! I'm going into my 3rd tri season and one of my major goals next year is to finish an olympic length race. Here is the info:
PS I just picked the balanced plan with workouts 2X a week. Edited by acv 2010-10-29 11:01 AM |
| 2010-10-29 11:16 AM in reply to: #3182778 |
Champion 10019 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! So, I have tried this several diferent times yesterday and today and I keep having the same problem - a "medium run" disappears when creating a 4 run, 2 bike, 2 swim maintenance schedule. Each time it's been missing in the final step preview. I imported the plan once anyway, hoping it was a display issue only, but the workout was missing each week. It happened once yesterday too, but I must have realized in the final step because I didn't import it. I didn't gather many details then thinking I would try again today. I have screen shots, but am having computer issues with saving them. Let me know if you need them. |
| 2010-10-29 2:39 PM in reply to: #3182878 |
Regular 244 Jupiter, FL | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! BikerGrrrl - 2010-10-29 12:16 PM So, I have tried this several diferent times yesterday and today and I keep having the same problem - a "medium run" disappears when creating a 4 run, 2 bike, 2 swim maintenance schedule. Each time it's been missing in the final step preview. I imported the plan once anyway, hoping it was a display issue only, but the workout was missing each week. It happened once yesterday too, but I must have realized in the final step because I didn't import it. I didn't gather many details then thinking I would try again today. I have screen shots, but am having computer issues with saving them. Let me know if you need them. Same issue here - using a 3 swim, 3 bike, 4 run race setup, the medium 2 run not showing. ?  Edited by scottuf 2010-10-29 2:41 PM |
| 2010-10-29 3:42 PM in reply to: #3182778 |
Champion 13323 Gold member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! ACV - Yeah, we are actually under for what we have in the free plans that have been used for years: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/trainingplans-calendar.asp?printer=1&planid=23 Here is our philosophy on that: We do heavily favor over-volume distance for the sprints and oly's. This olympic plan assumes that you followed a sprint plan before that to build swim volume. Using our plans would have had you at the volume at the end of the sprint plan to start you into this oly plan. Also, we don't see the need to get you to the pool only to swim 5-10 minutes in the early stages. We want you ABSOLUTELY confident on race day that you have the endurance AND MORE to finish the swim...that will set you up for a great bike and run. If you still don't like that, you can 'adjust' the swim distance down to 900. With our over-volume calculations, this will hit 1600 on your long swim for peak week. Though we would at the minimum like to see your continuous medium swims to hit this, so you would modify the swim distance to 1100 to achieve a medium continuous swim of exactly race distance. acv - 2010-10-29 11:59 AM Really cool feature! I'm going into my 3rd tri season and one of my major goals next year is to finish an olympic length race. Here is the info:
PS I just picked the balanced plan with workouts 2X a week. |
| 2010-10-31 10:04 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
Regular 69 Birmingham, AL | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Hey guys, this is a really great tool and I'm super impressed with it so far. I had a similar issue with ACV, and maybe just because the race distances that I used. I know that HIM distance is not supported for free users, but I just wanted to see what happened, so I selected Oly from the drop down menu and set the distances to 1940yds for the swim, 56 mile bike, and 13.1 mile run. My average speeds were entered at 4:00 min/ 100 yds, 18mph, and 10:00 min/mi respectively. I went with a run/swim emphasis plan. All of the workouts look sensible accept for the swims. Week one shows the short swim as a 3100yd (1hr, 5min), medium 4200 yds (1hr, 47min), and long as 5300 yds (1hr, 49mins). Maybe since I had to select Oly as the race distance, the volume was inflated, but the durations of the workouts don't match the speeds I entered. At 4:00 min per 100yds, a 5300 yard swim would take me about 3.5 hours, not 1:49. Keep up the good work, I think this will be helpful for all. PC |
| 2010-10-31 10:10 PM in reply to: #3187904 |
Champion 13323 Gold member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! pc007, Yeah, it's not a good idea to put in an entirely different race distance with a race type selected. Oly's have more overvolume allowed than HIM's....so putting a HIM distance swim in an oly plan selection will put you way over-volume. The reason why you didn't see that as much in the bike and run is that over-volume is just not as much as it is for the swim. And are you sure you put in the swim pace correct...4min/100yards? That could be the problem right there. I tried to check your logs to verify your swim pace...but tsk, tsk...  pc007 - 2010-10-31 11:04 PM Hey guys, this is a really great tool and I'm super impressed with it so far. I had a similar issue with ACV, and maybe just because the race distances that I used. I know that HIM distance is not supported for free users, but I just wanted to see what happened, so I selected Oly from the drop down menu and set the distances to 1940yds for the swim, 56 mile bike, and 13.1 mile run. My average speeds were entered at 4:00 min/ 100 yds, 18mph, and 10:00 min/mi respectively. I went with a run/swim emphasis plan. All of the workouts look sensible accept for the swims. Week one shows the short swim as a 3100yd (1hr, 5min), medium 4200 yds (1hr, 47min), and long as 5300 yds (1hr, 49mins). Maybe since I had to select Oly as the race distance, the volume was inflated, but the durations of the workouts don't match the speeds I entered. At 4:00 min per 100yds, a 5300 yard swim would take me about 3.5 hours, not 1:49. Keep up the good work, I think this will be helpful for all. PC |
| 2010-11-01 11:44 AM in reply to: #3182312 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Zam92 and Dan - The problem was with the labeling of the days of the week. This has been corrected. This was an unacceptable mistake and I gave myself a very stern talking to about it. BikerGrrl and scottuf - This should be all set. The problem was that I'm not very bright and didn't fully test a change we made a couple weeks ago. When creating a plan with 4 runs, the 4th run is now a Short run (adding a 5th workout adds a medium run). I didn't update the draggable box thingies to reflect this, and the code downstream just ignored the runs you scheduled because it wasn't the kind of workout it expected. They are now the right type and therefor socially acceptable to the downstream code and their presence will be acknowledged. axteraa - The display now acknowledges that some people actually us kms to measure distance. The Volume Graph button no longer shouts into the void and is now actually hooked up to something. |
| 2010-11-01 1:33 PM in reply to: #3188779 |
Regular 244 Jupiter, FL | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! marmadaddy - 2010-11-01 12:44 PM BikerGrrl and scottuf - This should be all set. Thanks! That did it. |
| 2010-11-01 2:33 PM in reply to: #3163385 |
Expert 1187 Ontario | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Why does a maintenance plan always have a taper? If I want to 4 week blocks of focus on a 3 build/1 schedule why does it always give me 2 weeks of taper, even when I say it's maintenance and not a race plan? |
| 2010-11-01 11:37 PM in reply to: #3189186 |
Champion 13323 Gold member | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! We still have this issue and one mentioned earlier that were are still trying to debug...we hope to have the maintenance volumes and not having the whole 'taper/race' block for maint palns fixed soon. Thanks for reporting it as I saw it last week doing something unrelated and told myself to make a note of it...I didn't. cathyd - 2010-11-01 3:33 PM Why does a maintenance plan always have a taper? If I want to 4 week blocks of focus on a 3 build/1 schedule why does it always give me 2 weeks of taper, even when I say it's maintenance and not a race plan? |
| 2010-11-05 3:00 PM in reply to: #3188779 |
Member 58 portland oregon | Subject: RE: Custom Training Plan Creator Update: More Plans! Workout Details! Signed up for Silver and imported a custom plan. I'm looking forward to the next 20 weeks or so! |
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