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2005-12-13 12:23 PM

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2005-12-13 12:27 PM
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Elite
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
What does "suck" mean to you? What is your average mph say over a 10 mile flat course?
2005-12-13 12:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

Remember it's secret. Shhh!

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RIDE LOTS!!!! 

2005-12-13 12:41 PM
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2005-12-13 12:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
I agree the key is to ride lots and then work on secondary factors like aero position. Just like in any of the other disciplines, when you are slow, you do more volume first, then work on technique. I guess other factors may be ill fitted bike or you are riding something that is just isn't going to be that fast compared to other bikes, like a BMX dirt bike.
2005-12-13 12:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
The answer to this is different for every rider, but common are...

1. Muscular strength: Strength is more important in cycling than in swimming or running. A good off-season strength training program will help tremendously. This is especially true for females, smaller athletes, and seniors.

2. Bike position: Many triathletes have no clue as to how to adjust the bike so that they pedal economically from an aerodynamic position.

3. Pedal stroke technique: Most slower cyclists think that faster riders pedal the same way that you do - only harder. Faster cyclists use different techniques to elongate their power delivery zones and to keep the legs from fighting each other.

4. Cadence: Most triathletes would ride faster after learning to pedal efficiently at a higher cadence than they do. All triathletes run faster after riding with high cadence. Expect to be LESS efficient riding this way for a few weeks to a few months.

Email me at [email protected] and I'll send you more information ... or just watch for my articles on this site.

Good luck, Ken


2005-12-13 1:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

I will agree with Johnnykay, and Ken.  Ride a lot, ride with 1 or more people, especially if they are faster than you.  Do a twice weekly spin class, do some strength work, etc, etc.  Last season, I did strength work in the offseason, did 2x weekly spin classes, got a proper bike fit, rode with faster riders, and put in a lot of miles.  My avg bike speed went from 19.0 to 21.7.  You will keep improving to a certain point, but don't expect a huge gain in improvement or you may be dissapointed. 

Bmac

2005-12-13 1:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

I went from BOP to MOP in my age group last year primarily by working on my pedaling technique and cadence.  I did most of my training rides in Z2, with a of cadence 85-90.  As my technique got stronger during the year I was able to move to higher gear ratios and resulting faster speeds.  As a former weightlifter/bodybuilder, raw strength has never been a problem for me.  As someone told me recently, I  "have the legs of a Michigan fullback".   Just learning how to apply my muscles efficiently has been the challenge.

For me it was a major milestone to be able to sustain + 20mph on the flat.  If nothing else it was a psychological achievement as much as a physical one. I still can't average 20mph - my best race so far has been a 17mph average. But at least it feels good to be passing people on the bike rather than bringing up the rear all by myself.

My problem is my running, where I seem to be forever stuck at 10-12 minutes/mile.  My primary goal for 2006 is to break 10/mile for 5K.

Mark

2005-12-13 1:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
Do you do any speed work on the bike?
2005-12-13 1:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

It could be a host of things.  What kind of bike do your ride? I noticed on your log that you only put in some thirteen hundred kilometers this year on your bike.  It could be that you started late in the season, but still, you need to hit the saddle more.  "Ride lots" is great advice but you must also ride fast.  If you want to improve, you are going to have to adopt a program (the 20 week bike focused olympic training program would be good for you) that includes strength, speed and endurance training.  You would have 3 bike training sessions each week, starting with:

48 minutes fast, fartleks, intervals, maybe a tt - for speed,

64 min medium, which included hills,  - for strength,

80 min slower pace - endurance and stamina,

and working you way up to 93, 124, 125 minutes repectively before you begin to taper.

Also, check out the bike for fit and to ensure that all parts, especially the wheels, are in tip top shape.  A bent axle or a wheel that is out of true will affect your performance to some degree.  For instance, years ago my performance on the bike dropped drastically all of a sudden.  There was nothing wrong with me, I was in tip top shape so I deduced that there must be something wrong with the bike so I checked everything out. It turns out that my rear brake was a little too tight and was clamped onto the wheel.  Sort of like riding a car with the emergency brake on !  DoH!!!!!!!!



Edited by Machiavelo 2005-12-13 1:31 PM
2005-12-13 1:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

Sorry for the curt response, but it really is that simple for the most part.  Others here have listed some things you can do as part of that "lots" to help.

What is your avg. speed for an oly?  How fast do you run a 10k in an oly?  Do you run fast because you're going "easier" on the bike?  Or are you going all out and still slower?  Do you come from a running background?  I tried to look at your logs before I posted.  Maybe you don't keep them up, but I didn't see a ton of bike mileage in there.

Some more info might help, but in the end it's all about building up that engine.  My best guess is that you just need to spend more time in the saddle.



2005-12-13 1:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

Get on your bike and ride.... ride ride ride ride ride.... lots.... as much as you can handle. Then ride some more.

Before you do that, though.... make sure your bike fits you. Make sure it's been measured for you and it doesn't cause you pain in your knees or ankles or lower back while you're riding it. Then just get on your bike and ride. I suggest riding with a group of like minded triathletes if you can find them. Makes riding more fun and less solitary.

I followed this theory last summer, and fell in love with riding so much I quit running! ((Whoops!)) but I did notice a HUGE improvement in my bike... from 17 mph or so @ Chicago in 2004 to almost 21 mph @ Chicago in 2005!

It just takes TITS.... Time In The Saddle.

Wink Go get 'em.

 

Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

2005-12-13 1:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
Whizzer - 2005-12-13 1:42 PM

It just takes TITS.... Time In The Saddle.

I like that even better than "Ride Lots"! Laughing

2005-12-13 1:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

I'm one that advocates "Ride Lots" as a method of getting fast on the bike, and I have quantified it as 100 miles per week MINIMUM, and staying at that level for several months. I have had people PM me, saying "Ride Lots sucks, I've been riding 100mpw and I'm not getting faster." Well, when I look at their logs, I find maybe three 100-mile weeks in the past three months.

Looking at your logs, I see only ONE 100-mile week this year, and only one stretch of three weeks where you rode 80 miles on consecutive weeks. Of course the fault may be with your log-keeping, but still...

If someone did come to me and show where he had been riding lots for a reasonable period of time without improvement, I would then start talking about quality work: hill work, intervals, tempo rides. I'd advise a similar approach in running, first build a reasonable base, then improve the quality of your workouts.

 

2005-12-13 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

Don't worry, I suck on the bike too. I can swim and run but don't think of getting me over 20mph for over a couple miles.

I'm just going to ride like crazy this winter and spend tons of time on the trainer. You're not alone.

2005-12-13 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
100 miles per week should get you to a good level of biking. I am usually around 100-120 during the summer. I think I do okay on the bike but not at the top. I usually pass a good amount of people and usually only get passed by a handfull or less. Are you being pushed by anyone? Ride a lot of hills.


surfwallace - 2005-12-13 1:41 PM

Suck is a relative term here. I would define it as I lose 10-15 minutes in an olympic distance to runners of the same speed (both in the tri run and in regular road races). My "suck" can also be defined as I have only passed one person in the bike portion of a tri.

JohnnyKay, what is "lots"? I am an idiot and need things quantified. I was riding over 100 mpw most of the summer and thought that was lots. Edumicate me.



2005-12-13 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
Machiavelo - 2005-12-13 2:28 PM
"Ride lots" is great advice but you must also ride fast.  If you want to improve, you are going to have to adopt a program (the 20 week bike focused olympic training program would be good for you) that includes strength, speed and endurance training. 


I'll have to disagree there ......... if you do not have the solid base in cycling, this will only marginally help you get better.

Base miles, proper fit and technique, base miles, and oh, did I mention, base miles???

As a road racer, before I was even out on early season racing in March I would have over a 1,000 miles in my legs (and that was only from Jan. 1st through the middle of March).

Aerobic base is a HUGE plus in training for speed later.

I would recommend ensuring you are efficient on the bike, and put in a good bit of mileage in the small chainring always at 95 - 105 cadence and in zone 1 - 3 (using tri-geek terms). Work your way up from an hour or so up to about three hours.
2005-12-13 2:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
In addition to the above comments, I would consider doing some interval work. This will help to increase your speed on the bike as well...
2005-12-13 3:41 PM
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2005-12-13 3:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?

surfwallace - 2005-12-13 3:41 PM  Am I missing anything? Thanks again.

Yeah, that Lance guy is from your neck of the woods. Find out what he's doing, it seems to work, whatever it is.

2005-12-13 4:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
the bear - 2005-12-13 4:57 PM
Yeah, that Lance guy is from your neck of the woods. Find out what he's doing, it seems to work, whatever it is.


Who's he??? :-P


2005-12-13 6:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
Whizzer - 2005-12-13 2:42 PM

It just takes TITS.... Time In The Saddle.

Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


So you're saying the bear has Tits? I knew there was something weird about that woman guy.

2005-12-13 7:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
JohnnyKay - 2005-12-13 11:31 AM

Remember it's secret. Shhh!

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RIDE LOTS!!!! 

What do you mean by that? 

2005-12-13 10:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
The biggest piece of advice I can offer is build your base, perfect your form, and spin like mad.

Ride lots like was said. Get comfortable doing long rides regardless of pace or cadence. If you can't make a leseurly 20 mi ride you can't do it and keep time.

I think form in riding is second only to swimming. I'm not talking aero either. Riding clipless, you need to put equal effort throughout the entire stroke. Spin the pedals, don't push them. One drill I used to do in my racing days that helped a lot was to find a flat area and ride with only one foot clipped in at a time. If your technique is good, you should be able to pedal at a smooth cadence. Once you get this form down, you will start discovering new muscles you never knew existed, but getting those strong make you faster.

Once your form is good, focus on cadence. 80 is a good number to start at. I try and ride at 90 right now, but when I was seriously training, we were doing 105 to 110. It's hard to coordinate at first, but you learn and it get's easier. Also staying in high gear and standing in the pedals to go up hills wastes energy. There is no shame in dropping down in the gears and keeping your cadence up while climbing a hill.
2005-12-13 11:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Why am I so slow on the bike?
Check out the local race results so you can quantify how slow you really are. It is true as said earlier that strength plays a big role in cycling. One way to get strong aside from riding lots is riding mountains. Sustained climbing is one of the hardest workouts you can face and it pays huge dividends at race time.
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