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 2012-09-25 9:11 AM |
Champion  6056    Menomonee Falls, WI |  Subject: The Debacle in SeattleI think this topic merits its own thread. I have to discuss this on the radio later and I'm concerned, due to FCC regulations, it will be my last time on the air. Here's my main beef, beside the fact the replacement officials blew an obvious call. Two different officials made two different simultaneous rulings on the field. So how can replay either confirm or overturn a ruling on the field? NO DEFINITIVE RULING WAS MADE ON THE FIELD. And what do we call this travesty? "The Golden Sham"? "The Fail Mary"? |
| 2012-09-25 9:22 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Extreme Veteran 961  | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle Seemed legit. go seahawks |
| 2012-09-25 9:30 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Master 2264 Sunbury, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle scoobysdad - 2012-09-25 10:11 AM I think this topic merits its own thread. I have to discuss this on the radio later and I'm concerned, due to FCC regulations, it will be my last time on the air. What station? I would love to listen in online. |
| 2012-09-25 9:33 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle Now you know about 1/100th how us Seattle fans felt after the Superbowl. |
| 2012-09-25 9:39 AM in reply to: #4426321 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle What station? I would love to listen in online. WHBY at 3:10pm Central Time. You can stream live at www.whby.com or download there or at iTunes. I co-host an hour long segment called "Pack Yak" as part of The PhilCast, every day following a Packers game. Edited by scoobysdad 2012-09-25 9:41 AM |
| 2012-09-25 10:07 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle scoobysdad - 2012-09-25 10:11 AM I think this topic merits its own thread. I have to discuss this on the radio later and I'm concerned, due to FCC regulations, it will be my last time on the air. Here's my main beef, beside the fact the replacement officials blew an obvious call. Two different officials made two different simultaneous rulings on the field. So how can replay either confirm or overturn a ruling on the field? NO DEFINITIVE RULING WAS MADE ON THE FIELD. And what do we call this travesty? "The Golden Sham"? "The Fail Mary"? The Fail Mary... I like it.. I can actually see how tough it would have been to make the call on the field. Lots of hands on the ball. But the fact that it was not overturned by replay is ridiculous It was so obvious that Seattle did not have control of the ball. |
| 2012-09-25 10:12 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Elite 3277 Minnetonka | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle It shouldn't have even got that far. The Pack got three first downs handed to them on 3rd downs for their scoring drive. The the pass interference call for Seattle should have been on Sydney Rice. They should have never been that far down field. Now, as a Vikings fan we are used to hearing all of the crying from the Pack fans when they lose. Now we have to hear the whole nation cry because of their loss... Vikes 2-1 Pack 1-2 "Show me what you got Raji"..... Discount Double check that Rogers... |
| 2012-09-25 10:16 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle All I know is this is only going to Help the Refs at the bargaining table. Calls were missed all night (just like every game) this call will get the most attention. Its not uncommon for two officials to rule a play differently, they will huddle and talk about what they saw and they make the single ruling. Happens a lot with plays near sidelines/endzone/diving catches etc |
| 2012-09-25 10:17 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle
How bout the BS roughing the passer call that negated our interception that would have ended the game? But yeah, I could not believe they called that a touchdown after watching the replay. And then the punk Seattle players who knew they got away with one talking a bunch of smack after the game. If I was Seattle I woulda ran into the locker asap knowing I had just got away with a cheap win. |
| 2012-09-25 10:20 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle scoobysdad - 2012-09-25 10:11 AM I think this topic merits its own thread. I have to discuss this on the radio later and I'm concerned, due to FCC regulations, it will be my last time on the air. Here's my main beef, beside the fact the replacement officials blew an obvious call. Two different officials made two different simultaneous rulings on the field. So how can replay either confirm or overturn a ruling on the field? NO DEFINITIVE RULING WAS MADE ON THE FIELD. And what do we call this travesty? "The Golden Sham"? "The Fail Mary"? Maybe it should be called "The Let Aaron Get Sacked Eight Times In The First Half." |
| 2012-09-25 10:26 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle |
| 2012-09-25 10:36 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Master 1376 Chicago | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle As a Bears fan I see no issue with that call. |
| 2012-09-25 10:37 AM in reply to: #4426434 |
Master 2346 Dayton, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle running2far - 2012-09-25 10:16 AM Its not uncommon for two officials to rule a play differently, they will huddle and talk about what they saw and they make the single ruling. Happens a lot with plays near sidelines/endzone/diving catches etc Ding ding ding! This is what went wrong on that last play. Two officials immediately made two different calls. They did not huddle and talk about it, as they should have. So when one of those two opposing calls had to be chosen, rules dictate that the call of the Referee (white hat) wins. Hence, touchdown. Then, on replay, rules dictate that they can not change who had possession of the ball. They can only confirm/uphold that the receiver came down in bounds and didn't fumble. Hence, touchdown stands. Because possession can't be changed based on a replay. So, that's that. And it sucks. |
| 2012-09-25 10:42 AM in reply to: #4426491 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle kelpeng - 2012-09-25 11:37 AM running2far - 2012-09-25 10:16 AM Its not uncommon for two officials to rule a play differently, they will huddle and talk about what they saw and they make the single ruling. Happens a lot with plays near sidelines/endzone/diving catches etc Ding ding ding! This is what went wrong on that last play. Two officials immediately made two different calls. They did not huddle and talk about it, as they should have. So when one of those two opposing calls had to be chosen, rules dictate that the call of the Referee (white hat) wins. Hence, touchdown. Then, on replay, rules dictate that they can not change who had possession of the ball. They can only confirm/uphold that the receiver came down in bounds and didn't fumble. Hence, touchdown stands. Because possession can't be changed based on a replay. So, that's that. And it sucks. Not quite.. Rule 15, Section 9 makes the question of whether a pass was “ruled complete/incomplete/intercepted” subject to replay review, with no exception for questions of simultaneous possession. There have been been plenty of plays where interceptions have been overturned. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-09-25 10:43 AM |
| 2012-09-25 10:43 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Master 1411 Lexington, KY | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle I'm a huge Packers fan but, bracketing...that.....out........, it was a fitting end to a terribly called game. The NFL needs instant replay for blown penalty calls. They (replacement and regular refs) get way too many calls wrong that could easily be reversed via review. |
| 2012-09-25 11:11 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Expert 839 Central Mass | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle scoobysdad - 2012-09-25 7:11 AM And what do we call this travesty? "The Golden Sham"? "The Fail Mary"? Can't take credit for this one but "Golden Gate". You've got the Watergate tie in and the fact Tate and Gate rhyme. |
| 2012-09-25 11:15 AM in reply to: #4426282 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle Scoob if you want a Seahawks fan to chime in Mrs. Goggs is one -- and she felt that the call was total and complete BS. In fact my guess is that most Seahawks fans can admit that the Packers got a snow job on that call. The ones who don't feel that way are either complete homers or complete idiots. |
| 2012-09-25 11:25 AM in reply to: #4426598 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle mr2tony - 2012-09-25 10:15 AM Scoob if you want a Seahawks fan to chime in Mrs. Goggs is one -- and she felt that the call was total and complete BS. In fact my guess is that most Seahawks fans can admit that the Packers got a snow job on that call. The ones who don't feel that way are either complete homers or complete idiots. I'll admit it. Most of the game was a joke though. The last 3 scoring drives all happened BECAUSE of the refs. |
| 2012-09-25 11:28 AM in reply to: #4426509 |
Master 2346 Dayton, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle TriRSquared - 2012-09-25 10:42 AM kelpeng - 2012-09-25 11:37 AM Not quite.. Rule 15, Section 9 makes the question of whether a pass was “ruled complete/incomplete/intercepted” subject to replay review, with no exception for questions of simultaneous possession. There have been been plenty of plays where interceptions have been overturned. I stand corrected. Thanks for the information. I watched the post game and assumed that the officiating expert (?) they had on knew what he was talking about. Apparently not. |
| 2012-09-25 11:48 AM in reply to: #4426491 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle kelpeng - 2012-09-25 10:37 AM running2far - 2012-09-25 10:16 AM Its not uncommon for two officials to rule a play differently, they will huddle and talk about what they saw and they make the single ruling. Happens a lot with plays near sidelines/endzone/diving catches etc Ding ding ding! This is what went wrong on that last play. Two officials immediately made two different calls. They did not huddle and talk about it, as they should have. So when one of those two opposing calls had to be chosen, rules dictate that the call of the Referee (white hat) wins. Hence, touchdown. Neither of the officials who called TD or INT was a referee (white hat). They were both line judges. As far as I saw, the referee never conferred with those officials and made a call on the field. Am I wrong on that? If the referee never made a call, then there was never a call made on the field to either confirm or overturn via replay. So I believe replay could have legitimately been used to make the official ruling. |
| 2012-09-25 12:10 PM in reply to: #4426282 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle The NFL released its official statement on the matter: "In Monday’s game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game. Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball. While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay. When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown. Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone. Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review. The result of the game is final." IMO, that is a pretty damning indictment of the Referee, who had the ability to use replay-- the same replay ESPN has been playing nonstop-- to make the right call, regardless of the ruling made on the field. Their own final statement is WRONG-- if the ruling is reviewable under replay rules, the Referee did not need indisputable evidence to OVERTURN the call. He simply needed to make the correct call based on what he saw on the replay. |
| 2012-09-25 12:39 PM in reply to: #4426282 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle What else could the NFL do? Has the NFL ever overturned a call after a games is changing the outcome? |
| 2012-09-25 12:50 PM in reply to: #4426783 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle jford2309 - 2012-09-25 12:39 PM What else could the NFL do? Has the NFL ever overturned a call after a games is changing the outcome? It's debatable. There is the the Unfair Acts rule in the book. IMO, it probably does not apply here: Commissioner’s Authority The Commissioner has sole authority to investigate and to take appropriate disciplinary or corrective measures if any club action, nonparticipant interference, or emergency occurs in an NFL game which he deems so unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of a game. Of course, the real complication is that a lot of money in Vegas already changed hands. IMO, the NFL could have and SHOULD have admitted that, in addition to the non-OPI call on Tate, that the simultaneous possession call was incorrect as well. But they would never want to hand that leverage over to the real refs. |
| 2012-09-25 12:50 PM in reply to: #4426783 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle jford2309 - 2012-09-25 10:39 AM What else could the NFL do? Has the NFL ever overturned a call after a games is changing the outcome? There is a rule that they CAN overturn the call and change the outcome. There is that allowance. But it WILL NOT HAPPEN. And I can give you one good reason... The NFL SAYS they have nothing to do with gambling and want to seperate themselves from it. That's there excuse of why they won't put a team in here in Vegas. But do you think the gambling industry doesn't have a ton of under the table influence with all the fantasy football, and a billion dollar gambling industry to consider? Consider this. The casinos and books pay out EVERYONE that picked Seatle to cover or win. Millions of not billions payed out. Then the commisioner overturns and everyone with winning GB tickets want to get paid? You think that MGM, Ceasars Entertaining, Wynn resorts, Boyd Gaming, etc don't have a HUGE stake in this and would/could pressure the NFL - even under the table or phone call directly to Goodell's office? You think that people that got paid for seatle would give back the money? lol! |
| 2012-09-25 12:53 PM in reply to: #4426282 |
Veteran 190 Citrus Heights | Subject: RE: The Debacle in Seattle It's funny...this was my FB post with about 10 minutes left in the quarter. That's right...I quit before "The Call" even happened! If I only I knew what I was missing!!! That's it...I have officially turned off the NFL until this officiating crap gets worked out. Giddell's got no pressure to change until he loses ratings...well, I'll do my part. Unwatchable the way the games are being called right now. |
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