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2012-11-02 9:55 AM

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Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................


2012-11-02 9:58 AM
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Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.



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2012-11-02 9:59 AM
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i don't know a single public school teacher who has seen a raise in 4 years.  i know some that have taken paycuts (furloughs).
2012-11-02 10:18 AM
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mehaner - 2012-11-02 9:59 AM i don't know a single public school teacher who has seen a raise in 4 years.  i know some that have taken paycuts (furloughs).

 

Living in Chicagoland, this is something I have no conception of!

2012-11-02 10:21 AM
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JoshR - 2012-11-02 9:58 AM

Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.

 

That chart does not surprise me and IMO is not nearly as bad as overall job loss in the overall economy.  There are 2% less Americans working than 4 years ago.  We need 120k new jobs every month to keep up with population.  At the rate of last report it would take 13 years to get to where we were before 2008 crash!!!!  NOT GOOD ENOUGH

2012-11-02 10:27 AM
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mehaner - 2012-11-02 10:59 AM

i don't know a single public school teacher who has seen a raise in 4 years.  i know some that have taken paycuts (furloughs).

You just described my wife to a tee. She was glad only to have 10 furlough days this year (on top of increased insurance costs and a pay cut a couple years ago).


2012-11-02 10:29 AM
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Meulen - 2012-11-02 9:55 AM

Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................


So, only unionized teachers in Chicago and DMV employees are getting raises?

What about the hard-working CEOs?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76762.html

And, the U.S., per-capita personal income?

Per Capita Personal Income by State, 1990 to 2011
United States
2011r 2010r 2009r 2008r 2007 2006
$41,560 NA $39,791 NA $38,637 NA $40,947 NA $39,506 NA $37,725 NA


Did you do any research on this or were you just feeling froggy this morning?
2012-11-02 10:38 AM
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Meulen - 2012-11-02 9:21 AM
JoshR - 2012-11-02 9:58 AM

Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.

 

 

That chart does not surprise me and IMO is not nearly as bad as overall job loss in the overall economy.  There are 2% less Americans working than 4 years ago.  We need 120k new jobs every month to keep up with population.  At the rate of last report it would take 13 years to get to where we were before 2008 crash!!!!  NOT GOOD ENOUGH

You're ignoring the reality of the situation he stepped into. Of course the first 10 months, when the economy lost 3.8 Million jobs, are definitely his fault. He should have fixed everything by then. He is the president, he should tell all of the economic forces fighting against him to get out of the way. This is America! When the next 4 years continue to suck because of these same forces, are you going to blame Romney, should he win? 

2012-11-02 10:46 AM
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Yes, sure, more jobs...

But when it takes two of those new jobs to replace the income of the one lost job, how does that help? We employ more high school drop-outs?

2012-11-02 10:50 AM
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*sigh*
2012-11-02 10:51 AM
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Meulen - 2012-11-02 10:21 AM
JoshR - 2012-11-02 9:58 AM

Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.

 

That chart does not surprise me and IMO is not nearly as bad as overall job loss in the overall economy.  There are 2% less Americans working than 4 years ago.  We need 120k new jobs every month to keep up with population.  At the rate of last report it would take 13 years to get to where we were before 2008 crash!!!!  NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Then we are doing well considering 171k was added last month.



2012-11-02 10:55 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-11-02 10:29 AM
Meulen - 2012-11-02 9:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................
So, only unionized teachers in Chicago and DMV employees are getting raises? What about the hard-working CEOs? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76762.htmlAnd, the U.S., per-capita personal income? Per Capita Personal Income by State, 1990 to 2011 United States 2011r 2010r 2009r 2008r 2007 2006 $41,560 NA $39,791 NA $38,637 NA $40,947 NA $39,506 NA $37,725 NA Did you do any research on this or were you just feeling froggy this morning?

 

I do research for a living, so every day.  I was putting it in more "simple" terms without the nitty gritty.  As for comparison of CEO's.....c'mon!!!  How you compare a risk taker vs a common worker is beyond me!

So here's what I see, common worker vs common worker:  Gov employees lost fewer jobs and had greater job security during the downturn.  They also got guaranteed raises that most states/cities/municipalities could not afford.  They continue to get pensions which most pvt sector workers dont' get, and health care at a much lower cost than pvt sector workers have.  Some of this is coming from my own personal survey's of people and not actual statistics, to be fair.  But it's my job to get a feel for these things, and the feel has turned more into a stench lately.

2012-11-02 10:56 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-11-02 10:51 AM
Meulen - 2012-11-02 10:21 AM
JoshR - 2012-11-02 9:58 AM

Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.

 

That chart does not surprise me and IMO is not nearly as bad as overall job loss in the overall economy.  There are 2% less Americans working than 4 years ago.  We need 120k new jobs every month to keep up with population.  At the rate of last report it would take 13 years to get to where we were before 2008 crash!!!!  NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Then we are doing well considering 171k was added last month.

I believe 170K were added to the unemployed as well. Plus 1000 net.

2012-11-02 10:56 AM
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crowny2 - 2012-11-02 10:51 AM
Meulen - 2012-11-02 10:21 AM
JoshR - 2012-11-02 9:58 AM

Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.

 

That chart does not surprise me and IMO is not nearly as bad as overall job loss in the overall economy.  There are 2% less Americans working than 4 years ago.  We need 120k new jobs every month to keep up with population.  At the rate of last report it would take 13 years to get to where we were before 2008 crash!!!!  NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Then we are doing well considering 171k was added last month.

If you want to take 13 years to get back to where we were........we are doing well! Sealed

2012-11-02 10:59 AM
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JoshR - 2012-11-02 10:38 AM
Meulen - 2012-11-02 9:21 AM
JoshR - 2012-11-02 9:58 AM

Meulen - 2012-11-02 8:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................

That's funny because Government workers are the ones losing their jobs now and not the private sector.

 

 

That chart does not surprise me and IMO is not nearly as bad as overall job loss in the overall economy.  There are 2% less Americans working than 4 years ago.  We need 120k new jobs every month to keep up with population.  At the rate of last report it would take 13 years to get to where we were before 2008 crash!!!!  NOT GOOD ENOUGH

You're ignoring the reality of the situation he stepped into. Of course the first 10 months, when the economy lost 3.8 Million jobs, are definitely his fault. He should have fixed everything by then. He is the president, he should tell all of the economic forces fighting against him to get out of the way. This is America! When the next 4 years continue to suck because of these same forces, are you going to blame Romney, should he win? 

Not ignoring it at all.  I gave it 4 years, it didn't work.  I didn't say anything about Romney.  Infact, not sure he's right for the job either.  I'm only refering to the last 4 years

2012-11-02 11:17 AM
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Meulen - 2012-11-02 10:55 AM Have been great if you were the DMV worker who sits on the stool behind the counter refusing to move along the line that extends out the door, or you were an underperforming teacher who is now guaranteed a raise and a job.  Your futures are bright with the policies of the last 4 years.  And, you have pensions and future benefits most of us will never see.  As for the rest of the hard working Americans........................ who laughed at gov workers because they got paid so little for so long.... well they are feeling the pinch a bit more now.

Finished it for 'ya.  Funny how gov workers are now the evil empire.  5 or 10 years ago when the economy was booming most people would've laughed at you if you said you were going into government.  



2012-11-02 11:31 AM
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I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??
2012-11-02 11:37 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-11-02 11:31 AM I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??

little cranky this morning fillup?

 

2012-11-02 11:40 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-11-02 11:31 AM

I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??


You mean you don't just sit an your backside and do no work?

Well that flies in the face of unfounded rumors and unfair stereotypes so it must not be true.
2012-11-02 11:46 AM
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Hard working American here. The last four years have been great for me and my family.
2012-11-02 11:50 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-11-02 12:46 PM Hard working American here. The last four years have been great for me and my family.

Make that three. I count my ex wife, since we're raising kids.



2012-11-02 11:57 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-11-02 9:31 AM I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??

Can someone help me spill oxymoroon?

2012-11-02 12:00 PM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-11-02 11:31 AM I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??

 

Here's what I have a problem with, and understand it's not you personally! 

1.  I have a problem with poorly run government agencies.  For example, managers in the EPA have recommended they could function with 1/2 the budget and 1/2 the personal.  Instead, the EPA budget has increased and no personel adjustements made.  For every scientist in the EPA there is 100's of support......why??? 

2.  I have a problem when poorly run agencies, and I'm including our education system here, continue to run poorly and continue to reap benefits.  Here in Chicago, the teachers are guaranteed raises.  Even if they don't perform.  Merit is decided by tenure, not performance.  A bad teacher gets the same raise as good one.  Which is great.....if you're a bad teacher.  A great incentive to be a good teacher.....don't you think?

3.  Instead of fixing these problems and becoming more efficient, they want to raise taxes.  Easier to take the money from somewhere else than to admit their own house isn't in order.

4.  They paint these taxes as "getting the rich to do their part".  Yeah, there are a lot of loop holes.  Some of which do NEED to be closed.  But in general we have a very unfair tax system.  Almost half of our population actually doesn't pay ANY taxes.  The top earners already pay the majority.

5.  I care about the country and progress.  This system is broken!!!.....PERIOD!  We continue down the path we are on, we squash innovation.  Opportunity for someone to advance class actually decreases.  We stop being able to compete on World basis.  Where does that leave us?

2012-11-02 12:00 PM
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crusevegas - 2012-11-02 11:57 AM

1stTimeTri - 2012-11-02 9:31 AM I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??

Can someone help me spill oxymoroon?

Sure,

Caring CEO.

2012-11-02 12:01 PM
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crusevegas - 2012-11-02 12:57 PM

1stTimeTri - 2012-11-02 9:31 AM I haven't seen a raise in almost 5 years, have taken 16 mandatory furlough days for 2 years.  I'm still lucky to have a job.  And I AM a hard-working government worker.  Got a problem with that??

Can someone help me spill oxymoroon?

Clearly you can't.

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