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 2013-04-23 7:33 AM |
Champion  7347     SRQ, FL |  Subject: And the Boston overreaction at events begins...Got this email today: Attention St Anthony's athletes, due to the recent circumstances in Boston, there will be NO BACKPACKS allowed in transition this weekend... Please pack light and plan accordingly. They are giving everyone clear bags to put their stuff in. Because as we all know, a guy with a back pack bomb standing at the fence next to transition poses no threat whatsoever. |
| 2013-04-23 7:39 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
Master 8250 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... Sigh....just when I was about to splash out and treat myself to a proper transition bag, 'cause I'm sick of hauling it in old race bags that rip after a few uses. Maybe someone will now make a see-through transition backpack? At least in my race Sunday in Singapore, they weren't doing this--transition and bag check were normal. But in a big Singapore race, there's no place to put a backpack in transition, bomb scare or no. You're lucky if you can run out without tripping over a bike, and find a spot to park your shoes. |
| 2013-04-23 7:44 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... In the US "do something" does not necessarily have to actually make a difference, only the appearance of doing something is necessary. Lately I've started getting the sneaking suspicion that it's assumed the more people can be harassed, embarrassed and exposed the more the "something" works, whether or not it makes a lick of sense. Edited by DanielG 2013-04-23 7:47 AM |
| 2013-04-23 7:53 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
| DC | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... I was just telling my wife last night that I'm realizing that we're old enough to remember pre-9-11 & how differently we thought about public safety. I guess I can't appreciate the critique of an overly cautious society anymore. I just can't imagine a viable alternative. |
| 2013-04-23 8:02 AM in reply to: #4711181 |
Champion 6046 New York, NY | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... Porfirio - 2013-04-23 8:53 AM I was just telling my wife last night that I'm realizing that we're old enough to remember pre-9-11 & how differently we thought about public safety. I guess I can't appreciate the critique of an overly cautious society anymore. I just can't imagine a viable alternative.
I don't have a problem with checking people but no transition bags makes NO sense - it is the spectators carrying things that would be the issue if you want to react to Boston |
| 2013-04-23 8:03 AM in reply to: #4711181 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... Porfirio - 2013-04-23 8:53 AM I was just telling my wife last night that I'm realizing that we're old enough to remember pre-9-11 & how differently we thought about public safety. I guess I can't appreciate the critique of an overly cautious society anymore. I just can't imagine a viable alternative. Watch from about 1:20. This is how they got on airplanes in 1962. It wasn't until somewhere around 1969 when they even started on metal detectors. In 1969, also, there were 40 some hijackings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds8cKxtqvZw It is extremely sad how much people are willing to give up "to be safe" which doesn't work. What depresses me even more is there are people who want to destroy everything that made this country THE place people wanted to fight to become citizens of and are pushing to undo the constitution in as their means to "make it safe." |
| 2013-04-23 8:04 AM in reply to: #4711189 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... TriToy - 2013-04-23 9:02 AM Porfirio - 2013-04-23 8:53 AM I was just telling my wife last night that I'm realizing that we're old enough to remember pre-9-11 & how differently we thought about public safety. I guess I can't appreciate the critique of an overly cautious society anymore. I just can't imagine a viable alternative.
I don't have a problem with checking people but no transition bags makes NO sense - it is the spectators carrying things that would be the issue if you want to react to Boston For all the times we disagree on things, this is one where I utterly and completely agree with you. |
| 2013-04-23 8:10 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... Do they mean no backpacks left in transition, or you can't bring them in? If it's the former, I've done a number of races where you can't leave them in transition. Just not enough room. If the latter, that is just stupid. Edited by BrianRunsPhilly 2013-04-23 8:36 AM |
| 2013-04-23 8:30 AM in reply to: #4711195 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... DanielG - 2013-04-23 7:03 AM It is extremely sad how much people are willing to give up "to be safe" which doesn't work. What depresses me even more is there are people who want to destroy everything that made this country THE place people wanted to fight to become citizens of and are pushing to undo the constitution in as their means to "make it safe." I guess I don't feel like I'm giving up anything. It would be different if people were randomly checking my house, stopping me on my way to work, etc. But if the worst I have to put up with is getting to the airport a little early. Being searched when going to a sports event, or having to be checked into my daughters school, I don't consider that to be giving up stuff. I do on the other hand completely oppose taking away items from people (you know what I'm talking about). But let's be honest, that is not about making things safer, that is a groups personal agenda. The two scenarios listed above should not really be considered as the same. Edited by velocomp 2013-04-23 8:31 AM |
| 2013-04-23 8:41 AM in reply to: #4711242 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... velocomp - 2013-04-23 7:30 AM DanielG - 2013-04-23 7:03 AM It is extremely sad how much people are willing to give up "to be safe" which doesn't work. What depresses me even more is there are people who want to destroy everything that made this country THE place people wanted to fight to become citizens of and are pushing to undo the constitution in as their means to "make it safe." I guess I don't feel like I'm giving up anything. It would be different if people were randomly checking my house, stopping me on my way to work, etc. But if the worst I have to put up with is getting to the airport a little early. Being searched when going to a sports event, or having to be checked into my daughters school, I don't consider that to be giving up stuff. I do on the other hand completely oppose taking away items from people (you know what I'm talking about). But let's be honest, that is not about making things safer, that is a groups personal agenda. The two scenarios listed above should not really be considered as the same. It has been shown numerous times that these "safety measures" don't actually do anything.
Next thing you know they are going to try and declare US citizens on US soil enemy combatants... |
| 2013-04-23 8:41 AM in reply to: #4711242 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... velocomp - 2013-04-23 9:30 AM DanielG - 2013-04-23 7:03 AM It is extremely sad how much people are willing to give up "to be safe" which doesn't work. What depresses me even more is there are people who want to destroy everything that made this country THE place people wanted to fight to become citizens of and are pushing to undo the constitution in as their means to "make it safe." I guess I don't feel like I'm giving up anything. It would be different if people were randomly checking my house, stopping me on my way to work, etc. But if the worst I have to put up with is getting to the airport a little early. Being searched when going to a sports event, or having to be checked into my daughters school, I don't consider that to be giving up stuff. I do on the other hand completely oppose taking away items from people (you know what I'm talking about). But let's be honest, that is not about making things safer, that is a groups personal agenda. The two scenarios listed above should not really be considered as the same. I'm not talking about the other thread at all. Seriously. I'm talking about people with the "If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind" mindsets. People who work their butts off to get here to the US, go through the process to become citizens and then push to have the laws changed closer to what they were in the place they fought to leave. I don't get it. I know what part of it is but a sizable minority to half of the population is so sold on the idea of rehabilitation that we really cannot have punishing sentences and such, even for those that rehabilitation has proven futile, 3 strikes for instance. Criminals are not afraid of being caught, are not afraid of much of anything. They've been taught from day one that if they get caught they can claim persecution (red, yellow, black, white is irrelevant) and they can sue for the inconvenience of being arrested even if it was warranted and no matter what actually happened they have at least a possibility of winning the lawsuit lottery. |
| 2013-04-23 8:43 AM in reply to: #4711264 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... JoshR - 2013-04-23 9:41 AM velocomp - 2013-04-23 7:30 AM DanielG - 2013-04-23 7:03 AM It is extremely sad how much people are willing to give up "to be safe" which doesn't work. What depresses me even more is there are people who want to destroy everything that made this country THE place people wanted to fight to become citizens of and are pushing to undo the constitution in as their means to "make it safe." I guess I don't feel like I'm giving up anything. It would be different if people were randomly checking my house, stopping me on my way to work, etc. But if the worst I have to put up with is getting to the airport a little early. Being searched when going to a sports event, or having to be checked into my daughters school, I don't consider that to be giving up stuff. I do on the other hand completely oppose taking away items from people (you know what I'm talking about). But let's be honest, that is not about making things safer, that is a groups personal agenda. The two scenarios listed above should not really be considered as the same. It has been shown numerous times that these "safety measures" don't actually do anything.
Next thing you know they are going to try and declare US citizens on US soil enemy combatants... Bingo. What's worse is people will agree even if those citizens have no ties to any foreign group and are lone wolf types. |
| 2013-04-23 8:53 AM in reply to: #4711189 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... TriToy - 2013-04-23 8:02 AM Porfirio - 2013-04-23 8:53 AM I was just telling my wife last night that I'm realizing that we're old enough to remember pre-9-11 & how differently we thought about public safety. I guess I can't appreciate the critique of an overly cautious society anymore. I just can't imagine a viable alternative.
I don't have a problem with checking people but no transition bags makes NO sense - it is the spectators carrying things that would be the issue if you want to react to Boston If they truly want to ensure that a bomb isn't a brought in a bag, then NO ONE can bring a bag to any event. Not spectators, participants, etc. Here's the deal though, if someone wants to bomb an event, they are going to get it done. Whether we allow backpacks or not. Not allowing participants to have backpacks is giving people the false sense of security they need to feel good, but it won't fix anything. |
| 2013-04-23 9:03 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
| 489 | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... If this is how organisations are going to react, the terrorits have won. |
| 2013-04-23 9:09 AM in reply to: #4711327 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... Dan-L - 2013-04-23 10:03 AM If this is how organisations are going to react, the terrorits have won. Quite a few not only don't see that, they also actually disagree with you. |
| 2013-04-23 9:26 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... I can finally bring my bucket into transition and not be admonished! |
| 2013-04-23 9:29 AM in reply to: #4711366 |
| Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... mr2tony - 2013-04-23 10:26 AM I can finally bring my bucket into transition and not be admonished! Tony - Your life, should you bring that bucket into transition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSAXkp9cqbk |
| 2013-04-23 9:32 AM in reply to: #4711335 |
| 489 | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... DanielG - 2013-04-23 3:09 PM Dan-L - 2013-04-23 10:03 AM Quite a few not only don't see that, they also actually disagree with you. If this is how organisations are going to react, the terrorits have won. And they're very much entitled to. For me, successful terrorists make their targets live in disproportionate fear to the threat and put that fear front and centre of their minds when it shouldn't be there at all. And this is what stupid measures like this and plenty of others achieve, with the ultimate irony of failing to reduce the threat by even 1%. |
| 2013-04-23 9:34 AM in reply to: #4711366 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... mr2tony - 2013-04-23 9:26 AM I can finally bring my bucket into transition and not be admonished! Only if it's clear. |
| 2013-04-23 9:36 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... |
| 2013-04-23 9:56 AM in reply to: #4711395 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... 1stTimeTri - 2013-04-23 9:36 AM They still allow this, right??
Damn straight!! What goes around comes around......I knew my bucket would one day be looked upon with envy. |
| 2013-04-23 10:05 AM in reply to: #4711454 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... Left Brain - 2013-04-23 8:56 AM 1stTimeTri - 2013-04-23 9:36 AM They still allow this, right??
Damn straight!! What goes around comes around......I knew my bucket would one day be looked upon with envy.
Actually it needs to be like this. |
| 2013-04-23 10:29 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... So I guess bringing your own water bottles is right out, too? Because, you, know, it could be anything. |
| 2013-04-23 10:29 AM in reply to: #4711514 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-23 10:29 AM So I guess bringing your own water bottles is right out, too? Because, you, know, it could be anything. 3 oz or less, per container. |
| 2013-04-23 11:13 AM in reply to: #4711149 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: And the Boston overreaction at events begins... no clothes or anything in the clear bucket because things could be wrapped inside clothes or a towel. |
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