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 2014-01-01 2:32 PM in reply to: marcag |
Extreme Veteran  5722   |  Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. |
| 2014-01-01 2:53 PM in reply to: Scott71 |
Veteran 1677   Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Has anyone been able to import the .mrc file in GC or TrainerRoad on a Mac? The instructions seem simple enough, but whatever I'm doing doesn't seem to be working. |
| 2014-01-01 2:55 PM in reply to: marcag |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Happy New Year everyone. My plan was to do the full annual New Years day 100x100 swim this morning but I was feeling it after 7,000 so stopped at 7,500 yards. I've finished the last two years but with propulsionary assistance (fins) so this year I tried without. Still a great start to the new year. My ANT+ USB is supposed to be delivery tomorrow, can't wait to get this power stuff started! |
| 2014-01-01 3:30 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by ligersandtions Has anyone been able to import the .mrc file in GC or TrainerRoad on a Mac? The instructions seem simple enough, but whatever I'm doing doesn't seem to be working. Yes, it worked for me on mac. Where is it getting 'stuck', In the loading or displaying of a loaded mrc file ? Edited by marcag 2014-01-01 3:37 PM |
| 2014-01-01 7:50 PM in reply to: marcag |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by ligersandtions Yes, it worked for me on mac. Where is it getting 'stuck', In the loading or displaying of a loaded mrc file ? Has anyone been able to import the .mrc file in GC or TrainerRoad on a Mac? The instructions seem simple enough, but whatever I'm doing doesn't seem to be working. Whenever I try to import it, GC says "No supported videos or workouts were found to import". On TR, it just does nothing....it won't drag and drop like the instructions say it should. Seems to be an issue with the way the file saved to my computer (it originally saved as .mrc.html for some reason??). |
| 2014-01-01 11:50 PM in reply to: cdkayak |
| 50 , Washington | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by cdkayak In case someone is considering a Power2Max power meter, I got $50 coupon code from them today. It's probably a singe use code so PM me if you're interested. I just installed mine within the past week so I can't offer much feedback yet. Thanks for offering that to the group. I'm undecided right now between the Power2Max and Vectors. The P2M is a bit cheaper but not by much. I like the Vector for the ability to swap between the road & tri bikes. Going through DCRainmaker's reviews now. If still available and I decide on the P2M route I'll send you a PM. Although I'm sure someone will take you up on the offer rather quick if not already. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Scott71 One question - is there an option to smooth virtual power while in training mode to either 3 or 5 seconds? I checked the "options" tab, but couldn't find it. Yes, it's not very well done. In the upper left corner of the power display (or speed, or....), if you left click, you will see "All Chart Settings". You select that, then you can set the smoothing for the various metrics. You almost need to click around a bit to find it. Not that well done IMO I played around a bit with GC tonight and you're not kidding....that is well hidden. Also took me awhile to find some other basic stuff like IF, TSS, etc. I can add it to the column on the left (Analyze mode) but they don't show up on the ride summary? |
| 2014-01-02 6:24 AM in reply to: ligersandtions |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by ligersandtions Whenever I try to import it, GC says "No supported videos or workouts were found to import". On TR, it just does nothing....it won't drag and drop like the instructions say it should. Seems to be an issue with the way the file saved to my computer (it originally saved as .mrc.html for some reason??). I would try loading a file from ErgDB so you are 100% sure GC and the training tab are ok If so, then you know something is happening to the files that you are downloading/saving. I can email you one if you PM me your email |
| 2014-01-02 6:26 AM in reply to: RandyP |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by RandyP I played around a bit with GC tonight and you're not kidding....that is well hidden. Also took me awhile to find some other basic stuff like IF, TSS, etc. I can add it to the column on the left (Analyze mode) but they don't show up on the ride summary? Tools->Options->Metrics Select the "summary" tab, add NP and TSS, probably move it up to the top :-) Need to select another workout and it takes effect |
| 2014-01-02 6:33 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by RandyP Originally posted by cdkayak In case someone is considering a Power2Max power meter, I got $50 coupon code from them today. It's probably a singe use code so PM me if you're interested. I just installed mine within the past week so I can't offer much feedback yet. Thanks for offering that to the group. I'm undecided right now between the Power2Max and Vectors. The P2M is a bit cheaper but not by much. I like the Vector for the ability to swap between the road & tri bikes. Going through DCRainmaker's reviews now. If still available and I decide on the P2M route I'll send you a PM. Although I'm sure someone will take you up on the offer rather quick if not already. Tough decision On one hand, swapping a crank is much easier than I thought. I do it all the time now, But the Vectors are really appealing. I would need a demo of how hard they are to torque/calibrate but they seem really cool. I was very tempted when I traveled a lot more. I was in Europe 1-2x per month, so on a rental bike they would have been amazing. IMHO, buy what's best for you, don't compromise. A PM is a huge step in improving your cycling. Way more than a bike frame or Ultegra VS 105 or Zipp vs Flo. And I think a CT is one of the greatest tools out there. Edited by marcag 2014-01-02 6:35 AM |
| 2014-01-02 8:27 AM in reply to: marcag |
| 50 , Washington | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by RandyP I played around a bit with GC tonight and you're not kidding....that is well hidden. Also took me awhile to find some other basic stuff like IF, TSS, etc. I can add it to the column on the left (Analyze mode) but they don't show up on the ride summary? Tools->Options->Metrics Select the "summary" tab, add NP and TSS, probably move it up to the top :-) Need to select another workout and it takes effect Ah ok, that did the trick. I just didn't dive deep enough into the menus. Lots of metrics there, a good number I've never even heard of before. It will be interesting to learn more in the coming weeks and how you utilize the different metrics & charts. |
| 2014-01-02 9:24 AM in reply to: RandyP |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Happy 2014! Hopefully everyone is pretty much set up and ready to go for next week - it's going to be a tough week but will give you lots of valuable information regarding training with power. Also great to see people digging around in GC to look at files as well as some of the metrics that we will be using. I really like GC and if I was only tracking my own training, that's all I would use for power analysis. There is one point that I feel is important to raise, especially for those who are looking at their ride files as well as looking at performance management charts and that is not all TSS are created equal. While TSS is valuable as a guide, in my experience there is a dramatic difference in how the TSS are accumulated. 100 TSS will be indicative of a solid ride but if it is from an L2 ride, versus L5 intervals, versus a 40kmTT, the physiological strain is going to vary so it will be important that we not only consider TSS but also how the TSS were developed. Shane |
| 2014-01-02 9:40 AM in reply to: marcag |
Master 3022 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by RandyP Originally posted by cdkayak In case someone is considering a Power2Max power meter, I got $50 coupon code from them today. It's probably a singe use code so PM me if you're interested. I just installed mine within the past week so I can't offer much feedback yet. Thanks for offering that to the group. I'm undecided right now between the Power2Max and Vectors. The P2M is a bit cheaper but not by much. I like the Vector for the ability to swap between the road & tri bikes. Going through DCRainmaker's reviews now. If still available and I decide on the P2M route I'll send you a PM. Although I'm sure someone will take you up on the offer rather quick if not already. Tough decision On one hand, swapping a crank is much easier than I thought. I do it all the time now, But the Vectors are really appealing. I would need a demo of how hard they are to torque/calibrate but they seem really cool. I was very tempted when I traveled a lot more. I was in Europe 1-2x per month, so on a rental bike they would have been amazing. IMHO, buy what's best for you, don't compromise. A PM is a huge step in improving your cycling. Way more than a bike frame or Ultegra VS 105 or Zipp vs Flo. And I think a CT is one of the greatest tools out there. I too have a $50 coupon available for Power2Max. I finally got it installed the other day and did my first real power rides yesterday and this morning. I was nervous aboutthe install due to never having removed and replaced a bottom bracket and a crank. I will say in hindsight it is a very easy process. Regarding the vectors, I thought the cost was much more and I was always wary of the part that hangs down below the pedal. I seem to be a clutz and I'm convinced I would clip them on something and break them. Just my two cents. |
| 2014-01-02 12:37 PM in reply to: gsmacleod |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by gsmacleod Happy 2014! Hopefully everyone is pretty much set up and ready to go for next week - it's going to be a tough week but will give you lots of valuable information regarding training with power. Also great to see people digging around in GC to look at files as well as some of the metrics that we will be using. I really like GC and if I was only tracking my own training, that's all I would use for power analysis. There is one point that I feel is important to raise, especially for those who are looking at their ride files as well as looking at performance management charts and that is not all TSS are created equal. While TSS is valuable as a guide, in my experience there is a dramatic difference in how the TSS are accumulated. 100 TSS will be indicative of a solid ride but if it is from an L2 ride, versus L5 intervals, versus a 40kmTT, the physiological strain is going to vary so it will be important that we not only consider TSS but also how the TSS were developed. Shane Can you expand on that a bit, Shane? I've read this argument from both sides and feel like each side makes good points.... TSS is based on your NP, which is supposed to be the physiological response to your training. I've read many people say 100 TSS is 100 TSS, regardless of how you earned them, and that sort of makes sesne to me given that it's a function of NP (function of IF, which is a function of NP...). But it also sort of makes sense to me that how you earned those 100 TSS would make a difference. But then I have a hard time rationalizing which way would be "harder" to get them. I think we would (probably?) all agree that an L2 ride for long enough to get up to 100 TSS would be easiest. But I sort of feel like doing a bunch of sprints at well over threshold would be easier than doing 60 minutes at FTP. Maybe it wouldn't be physically harder, but it would certainly be mentally more difficult for me. Maybe the "100 is 100 is 100" makes more sense physically, but mentally, how you do them makes a difference (resulting in your perceiving it differently). If I did an L2 ride today for 100 TSS, I'd have no issue going out and riding again tomorrow. But if I did 60 minutes @ FTP today, I'd want the day off tomorrow....maybe my body would be fine, but my mind tells me I need the day off?? I don't know....I think I'm just rambling here because I'm not sure if I agree or disagree |
| 2014-01-02 1:31 PM in reply to: ligersandtions |
Master 3022 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by ligersandtions Originally posted by gsmacleod Happy 2014! Hopefully everyone is pretty much set up and ready to go for next week - it's going to be a tough week but will give you lots of valuable information regarding training with power. Also great to see people digging around in GC to look at files as well as some of the metrics that we will be using. I really like GC and if I was only tracking my own training, that's all I would use for power analysis. There is one point that I feel is important to raise, especially for those who are looking at their ride files as well as looking at performance management charts and that is not all TSS are created equal. While TSS is valuable as a guide, in my experience there is a dramatic difference in how the TSS are accumulated. 100 TSS will be indicative of a solid ride but if it is from an L2 ride, versus L5 intervals, versus a 40kmTT, the physiological strain is going to vary so it will be important that we not only consider TSS but also how the TSS were developed. Shane Can you expand on that a bit, Shane? I've read this argument from both sides and feel like each side makes good points.... TSS is based on your NP, which is supposed to be the physiological response to your training. I've read many people say 100 TSS is 100 TSS, regardless of how you earned them, and that sort of makes sesne to me given that it's a function of NP (function of IF, which is a function of NP...). But it also sort of makes sense to me that how you earned those 100 TSS would make a difference. But then I have a hard time rationalizing which way would be "harder" to get them. I think we would (probably?) all agree that an L2 ride for long enough to get up to 100 TSS would be easiest. But I sort of feel like doing a bunch of sprints at well over threshold would be easier than doing 60 minutes at FTP. Maybe it wouldn't be physically harder, but it would certainly be mentally more difficult for me. Maybe the "100 is 100 is 100" makes more sense physically, but mentally, how you do them makes a difference (resulting in your perceiving it differently). If I did an L2 ride today for 100 TSS, I'd have no issue going out and riding again tomorrow. But if I did 60 minutes @ FTP today, I'd want the day off tomorrow....maybe my body would be fine, but my mind tells me I need the day off?? I don't know....I think I'm just rambling here because I'm not sure if I agree or disagree I'll take a stab. I think it depends on the person. I'd much rather do a lot of sprints over threshold instead of a long effort at FTP. Admittedly I've done much more running the last two years than cycling, but mentally a speed workout consisting of shorter intervals is much more tolerable than a long tempo workout. Maybe the pain is easier to tolerate in shorter busrsts? |
| 2014-01-02 1:49 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Personally I find a 1hr 80 TSS workout quite a bit harder than a 100TSS 2hr workout I have learned from experience what so much TSS per hour for x hours is like. For example 60TSS per hour for 3hrs isn't easy. 80 per hour, I am probably ok for 90minutes, max. I find TSS has more value when looking at the sum of work performed over a period of time (say a week) than an individual workout Edited by marcag 2014-01-02 1:49 PM |
| 2014-01-02 2:11 PM in reply to: ligersandtions |
| Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Nicole...good questions. First of all, you have to remember that TSS is a pretty basic formula for trying to ESTIMATE training load and help PREDICT physiological adaptations. By no means is it an exact science. In fact, Dr. Coggan has been working on a new way to help bridge this gap that goes beyond TSS and tries to focus in on specific adaptations. That bridge may not be ready for a while though, but just to give you an idea that TSS was never intended to be the one true answer to every cyclists training. Secondly, TSS is not supposed to be a measure of which workout is "harder." It just measures overall training load. Accumulating 100 TSS points within 60-65 minutes is going to feel extermely painful and "hard", but it doesn't mean it generates more training load than a workout that creates 120 TSS points over the course of 120-130 minutes...which is generally considered a relatively easy/moderate ride given the time and intensity. As far as doing 60 minutes at FTP (100 TSS points) and wanting the day off after...I've never really felt that. In fact, I can usually ride fairly well immediately after such a workout given I have a few minutes to catch my breath. I did a 40k TT back to back last year. First one was an all out effort, then I stopped for about 5 minutes, and did it again at around 65%. I needed the overall mileage as I still had my HIM coming up. A couple friends of mine did a 20k TT and then rode 70+ miles after. From my experience, overall TSS is still a pretty good indicator of how tired you'll feel regardless of how you accumulate it. |
| 2014-01-03 6:31 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? |
| 2014-01-03 8:27 AM in reply to: marcag |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? Are the workouts in the GC database available for download? I saw a bunch in there from various authors, but not sure which ones to worry about. I'd actually propose a team be created in Trainerroad and then the workouts added to that group to make it easy for people to figure out which ones to do. I'm a member of a couple of teams in there and that is what they seem to be doing. I know there is a BT team, but not sure what the deal is there or who is in control to post anything. Unless I'm the only one doing it, then I'll just add them for myself. I'll even be the admin for the team unless someone else wants to. I figure that will make the tech part the easiest for some people. Also, Marc/Shane, I'm planning on doing my first Crit race March 2 so will try to follow this closely, but will probably need to make sure my sprint and 1' power are up to snuff as well. It is a 7 race series and March-May around here seems to be heavy crit racing and I figure that'll make me stronger and almost replace a weekly workout since they are about an hour of effort. I haven't decided on a test protocol yet. |
| 2014-01-03 9:26 AM in reply to: marcag |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? Got my ANT+ USB last night but after swim and a store errand last night I was too tired to do anything more. After work today I hope to get everything set up and give it a trial run. From what Shane has stated I need to do a 5 min. test and a 20 min. test. I'm afaid I might go out too hard in both and fade. So to answer your question I have no idea how to pace. |
| 2014-01-03 9:33 AM in reply to: JAYCT |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by JAYCT Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? Are the workouts in the GC database available for download? I saw a bunch in there from various authors, but not sure which ones to worry about. I'd actually propose a team be created in Trainerroad and then the workouts added to that group to make it easy for people to figure out which ones to do. I'm a member of a couple of teams in there and that is what they seem to be doing. I know there is a BT team, but not sure what the deal is there or who is in control to post anything. Unless I'm the only one doing it, then I'll just add them for myself. I'll even be the admin for the team unless someone else wants to. I figure that will make the tech part the easiest for some people. Also, Marc/Shane, I'm planning on doing my first Crit race March 2 so will try to follow this closely, but will probably need to make sure my sprint and 1' power are up to snuff as well. It is a 7 race series and March-May around here seems to be heavy crit racing and I figure that'll make me stronger and almost replace a weekly workout since they are about an hour of effort. I haven't decided on a test protocol yet. If you want to put together a TR team, I'm in. I analyze all my stuff on GC, but TR just seems so much more user friendly for actually doing the rides. As for testing, I did a 5' and 20' test in the recent past (October, maybe?), so I'll look back at those and kind of base my pacing off them. For a 20' test, I find I do better if I start out a bit below my target and break it down into four 5min sections. For this test, I'll be using the Rubber Glove video for a bit of distraction from the pain and suffering |
| 2014-01-03 9:52 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? Tired! Yes! Testing on Thursday. For the moment - but now I can't find my HR strap Yes!
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| 2014-01-03 10:36 AM in reply to: marcag |
| 50 , Washington | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ?
1. Feeling great! 2. Ready to go....it'll be fun! 3. Pain cave is all setup and ready 4. How to test, I'm sure I can figure it out but didn't know if you wanted everyone to follow a certain protocol. (ie: with proper warm-up, a few sprints, take 95% of 20min, etc.). There seems to be a 101 different ways to do this and I'm sure they all get you in the general ball park, however if you'd like us to follow X testing protocol....just point the way. How do you plan on sharing the workouts? Will an attachment be posted in this forum, GC group, etc.? Once we do the workouts in "fill in the blank" application do we post to GC (no idea if they have this functionality) so others can review and make positive comments, critiques, motivate..... FYI, I think I'm in the minority of not having a TrainerRoad account.
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| 2014-01-03 10:45 AM in reply to: RandyP |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Gained 4 lbs over the holiday, I'm ready! Everyone solve their technology problems ? Still waiting for my USB mini stick to show up. Not sure what's up with the shipping should have been here yesterday. Stripped down my son's old laptop over the weekend for GC use in the garage. Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? Doing the 5' test first going off my last long break test pace average, then the 20' test will be started at 35W less and go from there.
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| 2014-01-03 10:47 AM in reply to: RandyP |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by RandyP I don't have a TR account either.1. Feeling great! 2. Ready to go....it'll be fun! 3. Pain cave is all setup and ready 4. How to test, I'm sure I can figure it out but didn't know if you wanted everyone to follow a certain protocol. (ie: with proper warm-up, a few sprints, take 95% of 20min, etc.). There seems to be a 101 different ways to do this and I'm sure they all get you in the general ball park, however if you'd like us to follow X testing protocol....just point the way. How do you plan on sharing the workouts? Will an attachment be posted in this forum, GC group, etc.? Once we do the workouts in "fill in the blank" application do we post to GC (no idea if they have this functionality) so others can review and make positive comments, critiques, motivate..... FYI, I think I'm in the minority of not having a TrainerRoad account.
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| 2014-01-03 10:51 AM in reply to: marcag |
Veteran 441 Maine | Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed. Originally posted by marcag How is everyone feeling ? Ready to start rolling next week ? Everyone solve their technology problems ? Everyone decided how they are going to test and have an idea on how to pace ? Feeling good. Got the garage rearranged so the paincave is in better shape than before, although a bit cold at the moment. Will be updating GC to the latest version tonight or tomorrow. I've only done the 20 minute test before using the workout on TR so I think I have a decent plan on how to pace for that one. I'll either be doing the TR 20min test again or the SF rubber glove. I haven't done a 5 min test yet so I'm not sure how to approach the pacing on that yet, I'll find out soon enough though. I'm in as well if there is a TR team created. |
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