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kickitinok - 2010-01-20 8:55 PM

Hello dear MG - hope everyone is having a great evening.

I have a few more questions:

1. What kind of bike computer should I buy for my new road bike? My bike has clips...should I get some bike shoes, or just wear my running shoes for the bike portion of the race?

2. I'm still confused as what to wear come race time. There are so many options. I do know that I want a wet suit for OWS's, but what do I wear under the wet suit? My bike clothes, my swimsuit, a tri suit, commando??? I'm still at a loss as to whether I need a one piece tri suit, or a two piece. (A special shout-out to kkcbelle for getting me hooked on Skirtsports clothing - adorable and now I want to spend $500 on all the cool stuff I've found there.

3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan?

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?

I know that my BT training plan tells me what I need to do, but since I'm laying off cycling right now, I figured my body could handle more in the areas of swim/run.


3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan?

If you are just doing the sprint / olympic distances right now then you probably don't need much more distance.  I would mix in some continous swims like 15-20 min w/o stopping to see how your endurance is.  I would also do a 200m TT (time trial) then figure out your 50 and 100m splits then set up some interval training.  That will get you faster.  Make them tough and really push to make the intervals.

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?

Maybe find a local running race 5k, 8k or 10k in March / early April and work in a run training plan from Galloway or Runner's World to build up slowly to more mileage.  I have found that most tri plans esp. BT are light on the running.  If it's a weakness, it can't hurt to add some mileage slowly.

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kickitinok - 2010-01-20 8:55 PM

Hello dear MG - hope everyone is having a great evening.

I have a few more questions:

1. What kind of bike computer should I buy for my new road bike? My bike has clips...should I get some bike shoes, or just wear my running shoes for the bike portion of the race?

2. I'm still confused as what to wear come race time. There are so many options. I do know that I want a wet suit for OWS's, but what do I wear under the wet suit? My bike clothes, my swimsuit, a tri suit, commando??? I'm still at a loss as to whether I need a one piece tri suit, or a two piece. (A special shout-out to kkcbelle for getting me hooked on Skirtsports clothing - adorable and now I want to spend $500 on all the cool stuff I've found there.

3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan?

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?

I know that my BT training plan tells me what I need to do, but since I'm laying off cycling right now, I figured my body could handle more in the areas of swim/run.

I got an inexpensive Cateye (astral 8 I think) that I can give you....  You may have to look the manual up on line, but its yours if you want it....  PM your address

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kickitinok - 2010-01-20 9:55 PM

Hello dear MG - hope everyone is having a great evening.

I have a few more questions:

1. What kind of bike computer should I buy for my new road bike? My bike has clips...should I get some bike shoes, or just wear my running shoes for the bike portion of the race? 

Cateye makes a good basic bike computer.  So does Polar.  Look for a one that measures distance, speed, cadance and trip time as a minimum.  BE SURE TO GET A WIRELESS ONE!   If you want to spend more money you can get one that measures heart rate, or get a Garmin Forerunner 305.  That will work for the bike as well as the run.    As far as clipless pedals and shoes, that depends on how comfortable you are on your bike.  They are worth the money but not necessary right at first.  There have been some good discussions on previous pages about shoes and pedals.  Buy local so you can exchange.

2. I'm still confused as what to wear come race time. There are so many options. I do know that I want a wet suit for OWS's, but what do I wear under the wet suit? My bike clothes, my swimsuit, a tri suit, commando??? I'm still at a loss as to whether I need a one piece tri suit, or a two piece. (A special shout-out to kkcbelle for getting me hooked on Skirtsports clothing - adorable and now I want to spend $500 on all the cool stuff I've found there.

I agree with Suzy.  I like 2 pieces.  Depending on how your wetsuit fits either wear your tri top under the wetsuit or just the sports bra and then put the shirt on at T1.  Get a good pair of tri shorts, they are a must.  Test ride them on your bike and go for comfort. I use SUGOI and love them. Had a pair of 2XU and they were terrible.  Hubby has ZOOT and likes them - but I hear boys are built differently  Wink  Make sure you swim in your race gear prior to the race, both with and without the wetsuit.  Wet clothes rub differently.  The idea of T1 is to strip off your wetsuit, but on your helmet, shoes, grab your bike and go.  So wear the clothes you want to race all day in under the wetsuit.  Put your glasses in your bike helmet so you'll remember to put them on.  I like to put a headband in my running shoes so I remember it when I leave T2.  PRACTICE your transitions.  Someone videotaped my T2 on my first half and put it on uTube. I'll find the link and send it to you.  Just ignore my running the wrong way (oops)

3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan? Three different swim workouts, 1) form drills  2) speed drills  3) endurance distance. 

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?  SLOWLY start to increase your distance.  The old rule is a good one, no more than a 10% increase in distance per week, and only increase once a week.  Build your base, then the distance will come.  Learn to love running and become familiar with your body. You need to know the difference between pain from a longer run and pain b/c something is wrong.  That was a problem I had with my marathon training. I kept saying, "it's suppose to hurt, it's 26.2 miles." When actually it was a developing injury.  I just wasn't skilled enough with my running body to know the difference.

I know that my BT training plan tells me what I need to do, but since I'm laying off cycling right now, I figured my body could handle more in the areas of swim/run.

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kickitinok - 2010-01-20 8:55 PM

Hello dear MG - hope everyone is having a great evening.

I have a few more questions:

1. What kind of bike computer should I buy for my new road bike? My bike has clips...should I get some bike shoes, or just wear my running shoes for the bike portion of the race?

2. I'm still confused as what to wear come race time. There are so many options. I do know that I want a wet suit for OWS's, but what do I wear under the wet suit? My bike clothes, my swimsuit, a tri suit, commando??? I'm still at a loss as to whether I need a one piece tri suit, or a two piece. (A special shout-out to kkcbelle for getting me hooked on Skirtsports clothing - adorable and now I want to spend $500 on all the cool stuff I've found there.

3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan?

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?

I know that my BT training plan tells me what I need to do, but since I'm laying off cycling right now, I figured my body could handle more in the areas of swim/run.


3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan?

If you are just doing the sprint / olympic distances right now then you probably don't need much more distance.  I would mix in some continous swims like 15-20 min w/o stopping to see how your endurance is.  I would also do a 200m TT (time trial) then figure out your 50 and 100m splits then set up some interval training.  That will get you faster.  Make them tough and really push to make the intervals.

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?

Maybe find a local running race 5k, 8k or 10k in March / early April and work in a run training plan from Galloway or Runner's World to build up slowly to more mileage.  I have found that most tri plans esp. BT are light on the running.  If it's a weakness, it can't hurt to add some mileage slowly.

Good luck!



Yes you should get some bike shoes, be prepared to fall when you first use them.  We all do, try to find someplace soft to land : )

I would start off with a tri-top and a pair of tri-shorts.

Shorts (they make different lengths)
http://www.trisports.com/zoot-womes-8inch-triathlon-shorts.html

Top
http://www.trisports.com/zoot-womens-racerback-triathlon-top.html

You can probably find better prices but these are 2 easy examples of simple tri-shorts and tri-top.
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Oh yeah, one thing I learned is yes you should wear your tri specific stuff every so often to make sure it still fits but don't wear it for the majority of your training. 

Stuff just wears out, I wore my tri-shorts to the pool and they wore out pretty quickly, there went 50 bucks.  Now I buy whatever jammers they have on the sale rack for training, and wear my tri-shorts just for races and maybe one or two training sessions to make sure they still fit.
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Andy - my vote would be the power tap.  That can be used outside as well as on the CT and then you can join in all the cool wattage discussions.  I hear it is a much more accurate and effective means of training vs heart rate and RPE.

Reuben - sorry about the sick household

John - I've been told to use a different sroke when swimming in a full vs sleeveless or sans.  I was advised not to have such a high elbow on the catchup, as it put more strain on the shoulder due to the pull of the suit.  Rather to bring the arm around more . Same is true, but more subtle, under water.  The arm stays wider - more away from the body - on the pull - for the same reason.  Don't know how aerodynamic this advise is, but it made my swim stroke more comfortable for long distances.  I've done 2 miles both with and without the suit and they each had their advantages.  The range of motion without was nice, but the extra buoyancy was great too.  Having to choose I think I would go sleeveless if the temperature was warm.  I'd loose any advantage gained by the extra pull if I get chilled.  Do you have access to a full and a sleeveless for comparison?   And you will be swimming in salt water right - so there is already a big boost of buoyancy right there.


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fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 6:44 AM i'm really starting to feel my stroke now.  i know it doesn't directly translate to race distance but in the main this morning i hit 1:18 on a hundred set.  i can't really describe it but man, everything was clicking, i knew it and i could "feel" it.  

so here's a thought and a question. the forearm acts as part of the paddle during the stroke.  one of the function's of a wetsuit, as i understand it, is to lower the resistance of water passing you.  so, are the small gains of added flotation of a full sleeve suit offset because of this lowered resistance as opposed to a sleeveless suit where your skin is in direct contact with the water.  assuming the swimmer had no issue handling the distace... not get tired.

bueller?


John--IMO the biggest benefit you get from a wetsuit is the increased bouancy.  The wetsuit puts your body in a better position in the water (more horizontal) which greatly reduces drag(resistance).  I would not worry to much about losing feel because of your sleeves.  I agree with Jeff's comment above that most swimmers that use sleeveless wetsuits do so because of the freedom of movement not because they are trying to catch more water.

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jvanis - 2010-01-21 7:38 AM There are no FIST fitters around here that I am aware of.  The shop I was going to get fitted offers RETUL, but I cannot decide if it is worth double the cost for that or if they will be good enough to get it through a normal fit.



retul.  thats how i'm going next fit.  also as you may be aware , dan empfield, among others is on the advisory board at retul university.  kinda cheesy that they call it "university' but whatever.  anyways, my point...with dan in this position, fist philosophy is probably migrating to retul.

gear west looks like they have some good folks over there.  i paid 200 for my fist fit.  of course that was applied to the bike i purchased... then wrecked a few days later.  ;-).  now 100 more dollars for a pedal/shoe fitting...not sure about that.
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kickitinok - 2010-01-20 9:55 PM

Hello dear MG - hope everyone is having a great evening.

I have a few more questions:

1. What kind of bike computer should I buy for my new road bike? My bike has clips...should I get some bike shoes, or just wear my running shoes for the bike portion of the race? 

Cateye makes a good basic bike computer.  So does Polar.  Look for a one that measures distance, speed, cadance and trip time as a minimum.  BE SURE TO GET A WIRELESS ONE!   If you want to spend more money you can get one that measures heart rate, or get a Garmin Forerunner 305.  That will work for the bike as well as the run.    As far as clipless pedals and shoes, that depends on how comfortable you are on your bike.  They are worth the money but not necessary right at first.  There have been some good discussions on previous pages about shoes and pedals.  Buy local so you can exchange.

2. I'm still confused as what to wear come race time. There are so many options. I do know that I want a wet suit for OWS's, but what do I wear under the wet suit? My bike clothes, my swimsuit, a tri suit, commando??? I'm still at a loss as to whether I need a one piece tri suit, or a two piece. (A special shout-out to kkcbelle for getting me hooked on Skirtsports clothing - adorable and now I want to spend $500 on all the cool stuff I've found there.

I agree with Suzy.  I like 2 pieces.  Depending on how your wetsuit fits either wear your tri top under the wetsuit or just the sports bra and then put the shirt on at T1.  Get a good pair of tri shorts, they are a must.  Test ride them on your bike and go for comfort. I use SUGOI and love them. Had a pair of 2XU and they were terrible.  Hubby has ZOOT and likes them - but I hear boys are built differently  Wink  Make sure you swim in your race gear prior to the race, both with and without the wetsuit.  Wet clothes rub differently.  The idea of T1 is to strip off your wetsuit, but on your helmet, shoes, grab your bike and go.  So wear the clothes you want to race all day in under the wetsuit.  Put your glasses in your bike helmet so you'll remember to put them on.  I like to put a headband in my running shoes so I remember it when I leave T2.  PRACTICE your transitions.  Someone videotaped my T2 on my first half and put it on uTube. I'll find the link and send it to you.  Just ignore my running the wrong way (oops)

3. My swimming is going great - endurance-wise. I really don't feel the need to rest very often at all...I'm hardly ever out of breath, and I'm now up to 1500 yards. Should I try to add more distance to my swims, or should I stay where I'm at until I don't need to rest between sets at all? Or....should I try to increase speed to my existing swim plan? Three different swim workouts, 1) form drills  2) speed drills  3) endurance distance. 

4. Regarding my run - I can comfortably run 2 miles without stopping to walk now (yay!). Should I continue to keep running this distance for a while, or should I add maybe .5 mile on the run? Or should I add a .5 mile walk? Or should I try to run another mile?  SLOWLY start to increase your distance.  The old rule is a good one, no more than a 10% increase in distance per week, and only increase once a week.  Build your base, then the distance will come.  Learn to love running and become familiar with your body. You need to know the difference between pain from a longer run and pain b/c something is wrong.  That was a problem I had with my marathon training. I kept saying, "it's suppose to hurt, it's 26.2 miles." When actually it was a developing injury.  I just wasn't skilled enough with my running body to know the difference.

I know that my BT training plan tells me what I need to do, but since I'm laying off cycling right now, I figured my body could handle more in the areas of swim/run.



I'm going to 2nd the Garmin 305. Get the cadense sensor as well. 305 comes with a HRM if I'm not mistaken.
So then you've got your HRM,distance,cadense all in.
As well, for a new runner the pace function when running outdoors is great. Gives you an idea of how fast you are running. That is where I still struggle- knowing my pace.
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fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 5:44 AM i'm really starting to feel my stroke now.  i know it doesn't directly translate to race distance but in the main this morning i hit 1:18 on a hundred set.  i can't really describe it but man, everything was clicking, i knew it and i could "feel" it.  

so here's a thought and a question. the forearm acts as part of the paddle during the stroke.  one of the function's of a wetsuit, as i understand it, is to lower the resistance of water passing you.  so, are the small gains of added flotation of a full sleeve suit offset because of this lowered resistance as opposed to a sleeveless suit where your skin is in direct contact with the water.  assuming the swimmer had no issue handling the distace... not get tired.

bueller?


I believe we'll be in same heat at LS..... So let's do this- I'll swim first, then when I come in, you can strip me down and throw my full armed wetsuit on and then you go swim the 1.2 miles..Fair?
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great replies.  thanks everyone. 

i totally agree and understand the buoyancy and position (esp. legs) advantages, water temps, ease of suit exit.  my thought was specific to the arms.  even more specifically to the arms below the elbow but wetsuits are not made with short sleeves.  maybe they should be! ha!

i realize the difference between suit v skin would incredibly minimal, especially for one at my level.  just thinking out loud.  one interesting reply from another bad a$$ swimmer who just happens to be my coach, is that he goes sleeveless always so he can feel the water going by him.  can't do that with sleeves. 


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TrevorC - 2010-01-21 9:43 AM
fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 5:44 AM i'm really starting to feel my stroke now.  i know it doesn't directly translate to race distance but in the main this morning i hit 1:18 on a hundred set.  i can't really describe it but man, everything was clicking, i knew it and i could "feel" it.  

so here's a thought and a question. the forearm acts as part of the paddle during the stroke.  one of the function's of a wetsuit, as i understand it, is to lower the resistance of water passing you.  so, are the small gains of added flotation of a full sleeve suit offset because of this lowered resistance as opposed to a sleeveless suit where your skin is in direct contact with the water.  assuming the swimmer had no issue handling the distace... not get tired.

bueller?


I believe we'll be in same heat at LS..... So let's do this- I'll swim first, then when I come in, you can strip me down and throw my full armed wetsuit on and then you go swim the 1.2 miles..Fair?


now how is that fair?  tell you what.  i'll do that. then hang around until you get off the bike.  THEN i'll start and when i cross the finish line i'll hang out until you're done. 


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fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 10:37 AM
jvanis - 2010-01-21 7:38 AM There are no FIST fitters around here that I am aware of.  The shop I was going to get fitted offers RETUL, but I cannot decide if it is worth double the cost for that or if they will be good enough to get it through a normal fit.



retul.  thats how i'm going next fit.  also as you may be aware , dan empfield, among others is on the advisory board at retul university.  kinda cheesy that they call it "university' but whatever.  anyways, my point...with dan in this position, fist philosophy is probably migrating to retul.

gear west looks like they have some good folks over there.  i paid 200 for my fist fit.  of course that was applied to the bike i purchased... then wrecked a few days later.  ;-).  now 100 more dollars for a pedal/shoe fitting...not sure about that.


Retul is just what it's name implies, a tool.  If you have a crappy fitter Retul isn't going to make them any better.

It really helps with measuring the angles and for comparing fit 1 to fit 2 to fit etc...

Pretty neat tech though.  You input all kinds of points on your bike with a pencil looking device and it "draws" your bike on the screen.  So he could take all kinds of bike measurements quickly to compare.

I have been reading up today on some flexibility stuff (lol have to watch, lots of porn stuff comes up when you use flexibility in the search...)

I always knew I wasn't very flexible but it appears I am awful in this regard. 

So far I have found one stretch, lie flat, strap around foot, pull leg up, hold it, down, rinse repeat.

Anyone know anything else?  Back to yoga I guess.
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fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 8:49 AM
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fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 5:44 AM i'm really starting to feel my stroke now.  i know it doesn't directly translate to race distance but in the main this morning i hit 1:18 on a hundred set.  i can't really describe it but man, everything was clicking, i knew it and i could "feel" it.  

so here's a thought and a question. the forearm acts as part of the paddle during the stroke.  one of the function's of a wetsuit, as i understand it, is to lower the resistance of water passing you.  so, are the small gains of added flotation of a full sleeve suit offset because of this lowered resistance as opposed to a sleeveless suit where your skin is in direct contact with the water.  assuming the swimmer had no issue handling the distace... not get tired.

bueller?


I believe we'll be in same heat at LS..... So let's do this- I'll swim first, then when I come in, you can strip me down and throw my full armed wetsuit on and then you go swim the 1.2 miles..Fair?


now how is that fair?  tell you what.  i'll do that. then hang around until you get off the bike.  THEN i'll start and when i cross the finish line i'll hang out until you're done. 


Sounds fair enough, but you just have to really focus on not laying down your bike!! You've done that what 5 times now? Is it 2 or 3 bikes now you've been throught this year?  
You may beat a few of us out of the water, but keep in the back of your mind that there may be a few people coming from behind that may or may not stick their right leg out as they are passing you and kick you into the ditch. Maybe
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jvanis - 2010-01-21 7:38 AM There are no FIST fitters around here that I am aware of.  The shop I was going to get fitted offers RETUL, but I cannot decide if it is worth double the cost for that or if they will be good enough to get it through a normal fit.



retul.  thats how i'm going next fit.  also as you may be aware , dan empfield, among others is on the advisory board at retul university.  kinda cheesy that they call it "university' but whatever.  anyways, my point...with dan in this position, fist philosophy is probably migrating to retul.

gear west looks like they have some good folks over there.  i paid 200 for my fist fit.  of course that was applied to the bike i purchased... then wrecked a few days later.  ;-).  now 100 more dollars for a pedal/shoe fitting...not sure about that.


Retul is just what it's name implies, a tool.  If you have a crappy fitter Retul isn't going to make them any better.

It really helps with measuring the angles and for comparing fit 1 to fit 2 to fit etc...

Pretty neat tech though.  You input all kinds of points on your bike with a pencil looking device and it "draws" your bike on the screen.  So he could take all kinds of bike measurements quickly to compare.
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yep.  thats why i said fit.  not retul fit.  ;-)  any crappy fitter is gonna be crappy, no matter what tool.  lol. 

its the data collection and data collection method that i like.

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Thanks for all the advice everyone. Going to stick with 1500 yards on swim and do some drills to check my endurance. Will continue to work on form and subsequently speed. In terms of my run, I am going to stick with a 2 mile run for an add'l week as I've only ran this distance for one week. I'll increase in 10% increments. Do NOT want to injure myself - I've always been leery about run injuries due to my excess weight. I'm going to get a separate tri top/shorts to race in. Thanks again!



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TrevorC - 2010-01-21 10:14 AM
fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 8:49 AM
TrevorC - 2010-01-21 9:43 AM
fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 5:44 AM i'm really starting to feel my stroke now.  i know it doesn't directly translate to race distance but in the main this morning i hit 1:18 on a hundred set.  i can't really describe it but man, everything was clicking, i knew it and i could "feel" it.  

so here's a thought and a question. the forearm acts as part of the paddle during the stroke.  one of the function's of a wetsuit, as i understand it, is to lower the resistance of water passing you.  so, are the small gains of added flotation of a full sleeve suit offset because of this lowered resistance as opposed to a sleeveless suit where your skin is in direct contact with the water.  assuming the swimmer had no issue handling the distace... not get tired.

bueller?


I believe we'll be in same heat at LS..... So let's do this- I'll swim first, then when I come in, you can strip me down and throw my full armed wetsuit on and then you go swim the 1.2 miles..Fair?


now how is that fair?  tell you what.  i'll do that. then hang around until you get off the bike.  THEN i'll start and when i cross the finish line i'll hang out until you're done. 


Sounds fair enough, but you just have to really focus on not laying down your bike!! You've done that what 5 times now? Is it 2 or 3 bikes now you've been throught this year?  
You may beat a few of us out of the water, but keep in the back of your mind that there may be a few people coming from behind that may or may not stick their right leg out as they are passing you and kick you into the ditch. Maybe


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and i'm very capable of finding those ditches on my own.
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fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 11:29 AM
TrevorC - 2010-01-21 10:14 AM
Sounds fair enough, but you just have to really focus on not laying down your bike!! You've done that what 5 times now? Is it 2 or 3 bikes now you've been throught this year?  
You may beat a few of us out of the water, but keep in the back of your mind that there may be a few people coming from behind that may or may not stick their right leg out as they are passing you and kick you into the ditch. Maybe


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and i'm very capable of finding those ditches on my own.



You guys are talking about ditches, with a D, right?

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Tobey91 - 2010-01-21 9:57 AM
fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 11:29 AM
TrevorC - 2010-01-21 10:14 AM
Sounds fair enough, but you just have to really focus on not laying down your bike!! You've done that what 5 times now? Is it 2 or 3 bikes now you've been throught this year?  
You may beat a few of us out of the water, but keep in the back of your mind that there may be a few people coming from behind that may or may not stick their right leg out as they are passing you and kick you into the ditch. Maybe


3. Sealed

and i'm very capable of finding those ditches on my own.



You guys are talking about ditches, with a D, right?

Nice work!!! Welcome to the group!!! You are fitting in nicely!!! Johno, load up a pic of your crashed bike.
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Tobey91 - 2010-01-21 10:57 AM
fattyfatfat - 2010-01-21 11:29 AM
TrevorC - 2010-01-21 10:14 AM
Sounds fair enough, but you just have to really focus on not laying down your bike!! You've done that what 5 times now? Is it 2 or 3 bikes now you've been throught this year?  
You may beat a few of us out of the water, but keep in the back of your mind that there may be a few people coming from behind that may or may not stick their right leg out as they are passing you and kick you into the ditch. Maybe


3. Sealed

and i'm very capable of finding those ditches on my own.



You guys are talking about ditches, with a D, right?



HA!  well ,its galveston so ya never know what's on seawall.
2010-01-21 11:15 AM
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Linda- Happy Anniversary!

Reub- Hope everyone is feeling better soon.

John- my xterra and Gary's ProMotion wetsuits have grooves on the forearms to provide more resistance. This is from the Xterra site:

The catch panel is designed to maximize the force of your arm through the water. After your hands, your forearms “catch” the most water. With the anatomical arms that assist with your high elbows (part of a proper stroke), the VectorProX2’s catch panel ensures that the maximum amount of water is being pushed with each stroke.


Trina- You've gotten some great advice.  I don't have anything to add, just wanted to say you are doing AWESOME! It's exciting to watch your progress. Keep up the great work!



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RoniS - 2010-01-21 11:15 AM

John- my xterra and Gary's ProMotion wetsuits have grooves on the forearms to provide more resistance. This is from the Xterra site:

The catch panel is designed to maximize the force of your arm through the water. After your hands, your forearms “catch” the most water. With the anatomical arms that assist with your high elbows (part of a proper stroke), the VectorProX2’s catch panel ensures that the maximum amount of water is being pushed with each stroke.



Roni you're a pro!  one of our local experts read my post and hit me up w/ an email saying the same thing. 

Trev...I don't think I have them here.  i find em' tonight.
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Hey there!  I went to the pool this morning for a swim and decided to try some drills today.  Just something simple - 4x25 each of catch-up, kick, and fist (along with a warm-up and cooldown).  I did OK with the kick and fist, but the catchup seems to be eluding me.  I understand what I'm supposed to be doing but I just couldn't make it work right.  I feel like I'm sinking and my breathing gets all screwed up.  I'm hoping that with more practice I can figure it out and not feel like I'm going to drown, lol! 

I've got my second Pilates class after work tonight and I'm still not recovered from the first one Frown.  I know it's going to do me a lot of good with my core strength though - the instructor is tough but she knows what she's doing.  Good thing tomorrow is a rest day - I think I'm going to need it!
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Trina, here is the video of my T2.  Please cut me some slack as it was a half and I took my time ....... however the basic choreography is the same.  

Rack bike and helmet  (put on headband)
Change shoes (I took care not to put my socked feet down in the wet grass)
Grab Garmin off bike and race belt
Dressed on the run

Just make sure you know where you are going Embarassed  If you look close you can even spot the pink tires.

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Here is a very good training video for Transitions.  It is from this BT site    http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=1488


Side note:  please don't think flying mounts/dismounts are necessary on the bike.  Even some of the pro's at KONA will come to a complete stop and dismount.  More accidents happen at the mount/dismount line b/c people are out of control.  Take the 2 extra seconds and do it safely. 
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