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Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

LOL. It ain't the brakes I'm watching in front of me ... it's the ... legs. Yeah, those  

Disc brakes (hydraulic) are the bomb. Way more control IMO esp in wet/less traction/descending/etc. Makes changing a blown out tyre (and yeah rear is always harder) about 15sec longer, with practice.

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

LOL. It ain't the brakes I'm watching in front of me ... it's the ... legs. Yeah, those  

Disc brakes (hydraulic) are the bomb. Way more control IMO esp in wet/less traction/descending/etc. Makes changing a blown out tyre (and yeah rear is always harder) about 15sec longer, with practice.

Agreed.  If you can swing it, definitely disc brakes. I'd even go so far as to say that they are more or less a requirement for off road riding be it gravel or mtb.  And yes, I should probably practice the whole wheel removal/reassembly thing

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by alaskatri

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

LOL. It ain't the brakes I'm watching in front of me ... it's the ... legs. Yeah, those  

Disc brakes (hydraulic) are the bomb. Way more control IMO esp in wet/less traction/descending/etc. Makes changing a blown out tyre (and yeah rear is always harder) about 15sec longer, with practice.

Agreed.  If you can swing it, definitely disc brakes. I'd even go so far as to say that they are more or less a requirement for off road riding be it gravel or mtb.  And yes, I should probably practice the whole wheel removal/reassembly thing

It appears I started a conversation and then totally checked out. I'll blame my ADHD, but I really allowed myself to get immersed in the map show on TV (stolen from a meme). Good news, I won my uncontested election, so I am not the elected prosecuting attorney for my county. The other thing is, after 38 years we finally sold my grandfather's farm. That segway's into, I'm probably going to buy a new bike. The more I read about disk brakes, the more I convince myself they are worth it. This may literally be the first new not used bike I have purchased since I was 13. I've been doing a lot of research to figure out my wants and needs. So be prepared for a little bike porn sometime over the next month or so.

Congrats on winning the election. I think you meant to say you are "now" the elected prosecutor...? I'll admit, I've been worthless this week watching the map show.

Correct Now. That is why I treat my assistants really well, they save me from those type of mistake. And Thank you

Congrats Jim!

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by alaskatri

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

LOL. It ain't the brakes I'm watching in front of me ... it's the ... legs. Yeah, those  

Disc brakes (hydraulic) are the bomb. Way more control IMO esp in wet/less traction/descending/etc. Makes changing a blown out tyre (and yeah rear is always harder) about 15sec longer, with practice.

Agreed.  If you can swing it, definitely disc brakes. I'd even go so far as to say that they are more or less a requirement for off road riding be it gravel or mtb.  And yes, I should probably practice the whole wheel removal/reassembly thing

It appears I started a conversation and then totally checked out. I'll blame my ADHD, but I really allowed myself to get immersed in the map show on TV (stolen from a meme). Good news, I won my uncontested election, so I am not the elected prosecuting attorney for my county. The other thing is, after 38 years we finally sold my grandfather's farm. That segway's into, I'm probably going to buy a new bike. The more I read about disk brakes, the more I convince myself they are worth it. This may literally be the first new not used bike I have purchased since I was 13. I've been doing a lot of research to figure out my wants and needs. So be prepared for a little bike porn sometime over the next month or so.

Congrats on winning the election. I think you meant to say you are "now" the elected prosecutor...? I'll admit, I've been worthless this week watching the map show.

Correct Now. That is why I treat my assistants really well, they save me from those type of mistake. And Thank you

Congratulations! Hey, not everyone wins even an uncontested election and you gotta have some experience and qualifications for yours anyway

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by alaskatri

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

LOL. It ain't the brakes I'm watching in front of me ... it's the ... legs. Yeah, those  

Disc brakes (hydraulic) are the bomb. Way more control IMO esp in wet/less traction/descending/etc. Makes changing a blown out tyre (and yeah rear is always harder) about 15sec longer, with practice.

Agreed.  If you can swing it, definitely disc brakes. I'd even go so far as to say that they are more or less a requirement for off road riding be it gravel or mtb.  And yes, I should probably practice the whole wheel removal/reassembly thing

It appears I started a conversation and then totally checked out. I'll blame my ADHD, but I really allowed myself to get immersed in the map show on TV (stolen from a meme). Good news, I won my uncontested election, so I am not the elected prosecuting attorney for my county. The other thing is, after 38 years we finally sold my grandfather's farm. That segway's into, I'm probably going to buy a new bike. The more I read about disk brakes, the more I convince myself they are worth it. This may literally be the first new not used bike I have purchased since I was 13. I've been doing a lot of research to figure out my wants and needs. So be prepared for a little bike porn sometime over the next month or so.

Congrats on winning the election. I think you meant to say you are "now" the elected prosecutor...? I'll admit, I've been worthless this week watching the map show.

Correct Now. That is why I treat my assistants really well, they save me from those type of mistake. And Thank you

Congratulations! Hey, not everyone wins even an uncontested election and you gotta have some experience and qualifications for yours anyway

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by alaskatri

Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by JBacarella Does anyone have experience with disk brakes? If so hydraulic or cable and is one better than the other. I'm considering hydraulic, because it's so wet here and I am a voluminous sweater. I have had oxidation issues with cables.

Disc brakes have better stopping power in wet conditions. Hydraulic are a better(more expensive) option than cable. Disc brake pads matter as well, some are designed for wetter conditions. Disc brakes give a nice ability to feather the brakes pretty well, at least that has been my experience with the mtb.

I went to Georgia to ride gravel bikes in the mountains a few weeks ago with my 2011 rim braking Giant TCX. The other three guys were on disc brakes. My descents were a bit harrowing, and not solely because I ride on the flattest terrain known to mankind. 

Now for a caveat on mechanics, which has been my personal experience and hopefully is not normal. The first brake job I had done on my mtb with hydraulic brakes left me with no front brakes. The next mechanic was unable to rectify the first guy's errors. I finally did a brake bleed and pad change, bedded in the brakes and all was good. 

YEP. I've had discs on my mountain bikes since 2002ish - mechanical at first then a swap to hydro around 2007? I WISH my road and tri bikes had disc brakes. It's the only thing I'd change about my Madone if I could. Coming down chemin duplesis in IMMT 2016 in the POURING RAIN was a scary experience with rim brakes! And I also agree, a good brake bleed will fix most issues

I have hydraulic disc brakes on my gravel bike. Of course, other than a couple of rides in the smokey mountains, i've mainly ridden it on flat terrain, so I can't join the chorus of they are awesome on (wet) descents, but they do look cool

That they do!

I have a funny story about disc brakes. When my riding buddies first got them, I found that I could no longer ride in a pace line with them.  I could pace line behind some people but not others. It was super weird -- until I figure out that I had trained myself to watch the brake calipers of the person in front of me! Since then, I've retrained myself. ;-)

LOL. It ain't the brakes I'm watching in front of me ... it's the ... legs. Yeah, those  

Disc brakes (hydraulic) are the bomb. Way more control IMO esp in wet/less traction/descending/etc. Makes changing a blown out tyre (and yeah rear is always harder) about 15sec longer, with practice.

Agreed.  If you can swing it, definitely disc brakes. I'd even go so far as to say that they are more or less a requirement for off road riding be it gravel or mtb.  And yes, I should probably practice the whole wheel removal/reassembly thing

It appears I started a conversation and then totally checked out. I'll blame my ADHD, but I really allowed myself to get immersed in the map show on TV (stolen from a meme). Good news, I won my uncontested election, so I am not the elected prosecuting attorney for my county. The other thing is, after 38 years we finally sold my grandfather's farm. That segway's into, I'm probably going to buy a new bike. The more I read about disk brakes, the more I convince myself they are worth it. This may literally be the first new not used bike I have purchased since I was 13. I've been doing a lot of research to figure out my wants and needs. So be prepared for a little bike porn sometime over the next month or so.

Congrats on winning the election. I think you meant to say you are "now" the elected prosecutor...? I'll admit, I've been worthless this week watching the map show.

Correct Now. That is why I treat my assistants really well, they save me from those type of mistake. And Thank you

Congrats Jim!

Yes, congratulations! 

I got an email from Rev3 this morning. I'm gonna keep my eye on their fall 2021 gravel event. I'm not ready to sign up for anything but it sounds interesting.  It's kinda near Harrisonburg, VA and looks like it's about a five hour drive from Raleigh.  Honestly, I think that I'm more interested in the Loudon one but there's no reason to pick just one, right? 

Conquer The Mountain Gravel 32 Mile - October 17, 2021
There is also a MTB event the same day and a 50k and half marathon the day before.

Well...I will be selling a farm soon too.  I am not excited about it.  I would rather sell 3 bikes than to leave my peacefully 2-1/2 acres with our half dozen different types of livestock and move to a city with over 10 million people in it.  I love my 10 miles of country road that was newly paved a few years ago and only has about a dozen cars on it over a 2-3 hour bike ride.  This morning I was dragging up the last hill on my run but I normally love the 2 miles of roads through our neighborhood with 8% grades in the rolling hill. I love that my daughters had soccer practice at fields that backed up to the largest lake in Oklahoma every week and I could do an OWS during their practice every week.  I am looking forward to lap swimming pools but selling the family farm always has mixed emotions.     

That's really sad. I'm glad you can see some upsides. Which city are you moving to? 10 million?!?! 

I'm closing down our family farms as well. Extremely mixed emotions too. It was the last vestige of family businesses my dad started (he's no longer alive).

That's really sad. I'm glad you can see some upsides. Which city are you moving to? 10 million?!?! 

I'm closing down our family farms as well. Extremely mixed emotions too. It was the last vestige of family businesses my dad started (he's no longer alive).

First off I have to say that it is really cool to have you back in the Manatees group.  As a new Manatee, I didn't get to participate with you when you were in the group before, but we hear about some of the former core members and it is nice to be able to connect with them.

I will be moving to Houston, Texas.  It will be a culture shock.  I have lived in big cities before (Salt Lake City, San Fransisco, Denver, and Tulsa) but growing up in a big city the thing that I always looked forward to the most was getting out of the city.  My Grandfather lived on a dairy farm 4 hours from us and that was my favorite place to go.  Later I did a ton of camping through the Boy Scouts and even had my permanent address as a Tent in the mountains for a few months between moves.  I was 45 minutes from the closest town and I got letters delivered to my tent that were sent via the US Postal Service.  So having work move me to a town with a population of less than 5,000 people 11 years ago was the best thing in the world for me.  5 years later I was transferred to another small manufacturing town of 18,000 people and it was a good size place for us too.  I get transferred every 5-6 years and this time it will be to a big manufacturing town.  I loved living in big towns when I was there before. I just will miss the country life and dream of moving back some day.

Yanti, I'm sorry to hear about your farms as well.  It sounds like you are in Jakarta with Mutti, is that right?  Are you planning to keep your place in Bali?

Trainer Talk

A new toy, yay!

Yes, I have an Elite Suito. I think it is in the group of trainers DC Rainmaker lists as mid-high end whereas the ones you listed he lists as high-end. It comes fully assembled and with a cassette -though i had to change mine out bc i put an older bike on the trainer, so needed a 10-speed v 11.Once i got that sorted and things tightened down properly things have been very smooth. It responds pretty quickly to power changes during intervals and I think it;s accurate, though I really have no way to know that for sure! It's a compact size, has a handle, and folds up so if i needed i could stick it under a bed.  I got it in last year's Black Friday deals, so got it at a good price. All in all it does what I need it to do, but I do have a bit Of NEO and KICKR envy!

Regarding what you do with a bike without a back wheel - I have no idea, mine stays on at all times.

Right, I have the Suito, Neo, Kickr, and H3 on my list. 

My trainer is used in the living room.  I store it in the dining room (aka, Zoe's room) when I am not using it.  Kevin has the bonus room for his use, primarily because I was at the gym most mornings years ago when the spaces were divvied up (remember spin classes?!). 

We have the Tacx Neo 2.0 (my husband's but i've taken it over for HIM training) - and it is pretty heavy and not very convenient to move. We have dedicated space for the bikes to stay out so we don't have to worry about it (and right now i am riding a different bike outside) - though i have been trying drag it back bit by bit so i can see our one mounted tv better. 

What about maybe a hook on the wall for storing it? so you hang up your bike? 

Hey Manatees! How's it going? We are having amazingly mild weather here in Toronto - and i am still riding outside! I am just checking out the weather - and each weekend, i think 'this might be the last' but so far so good. This past weekend was in SHORTS (this never happens) but the one before was totally bundled. I told a training friend i wanted to ride outside until the snow flies .... so here's to as many as i can get!