SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN (Page 119)

That sounds pretty slick Rusty!

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It's past Halloween, so we won't have a chance for snow again until Thanksgiving.

If you use a Wahoo KICKR or (I think) a Cyclops Power Beam Pro the app actually controls the resistance to the trainer just like erg mode in trainer road, but instead of having to make a workout file it calculates the resistance on the fly from smoothed data in a gpx file from a ride. It looks like they have very easy tools to precisely sync the gpx data with a video shot on the ride, and of course the newest gps enabled sport cameras do that for you saving a step. Kinomap also has an iPhone app that does it seamlessly with video shot from the phone during the ride.

Like a lot of these services it requires a monthly fee if you use their videos, but evidently you can upload your own and use those for free. Maybe one of the coolest features is that as many as 4 riders can "race" against each other on the same course online. So if you are interested we could have a SBR race up Mont Ventoux - any takers?

Originally posted by Jason N

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by TankBoy

Originally posted by marcag Looking at their website, it seems all you need is an iPad/iPhone and a Wahoo dongle. Your PM sends the power levels to the Wahoo Ant+ dongle and it feeds them to the app. Rusty, is this correct ?

I think that is correct - from what I can tell in that configuration is that it calculates your virtual speed over the course based on your power and weight, rolling resistance, tire size, and wind speed that you enter, and then speeds up or slows down the video according to your calculated speed. In my one time using it this worked very well with their "approved" video - from what I understand those are shot from 90~120 fps so they play very smoothly even when going very slow (If you stop pedaling the video actually pauses). In addition to traditional "direct force" ANT power meters (power tap, quarq, SRM, vector, etc), it also works with the Kurt Kinetic inRide bluetooth PM as well, which if you already have a KK Road Machine or RnR, looks like a must-have accessory if you don't already have some sort of direct force PM - according to DC Rainmaker it does an even better job of calculating virtual power than Trainer Road.

If you use a Wahoo KICKR or (I think) a Cyclops Power Beam Pro the app actually controls the resistance to the trainer just like erg mode in trainer road, but instead of having to make a workout file it calculates the resistance on the fly from smoothed data in a gpx file from a ride. It looks like they have very easy tools to precisely sync the gpx data with a video shot on the ride, and of course the newest gps enabled sport cameras do that for you saving a step. Kinomap also has an iPhone app that does it seamlessly with video shot from the phone during the ride.

Like a lot of these services it requires a monthly fee if you use their videos, but evidently you can upload your own and use those for free. Maybe one of the coolest features is that as many as 4 riders can "race" against each other on the same course online. So if you are interested we could have a SBR race up Mont Ventoux - any takers?

This has potential !!! From what I understand I can get the app on my iphone and display the video on my iPhone My power meter also send to the iphone via the Wahoo dongle Then I can send the iPhone display to a TV or PC using AirPlay from Apple. This has potential !!! Anyone in the group with a $60 dongle, an iPhone and a PM might be able to use this. I also have the wahoo case with built in dongle which is nice because it's protects the iPhone from flying sweat. More experimentation required which is fine because I can't run or bike really for now due to Achilles.

I suggest the Canadian delegation all chip in, buy Jason a GoPro and we can all do his Hawaii rides via video.

LOL. This software does have potential...but it still involves riding on the trainer. If I had to ride the trainer though, I think I would much rather prefer this type of workout as compared to a standard TR workout though. I mean...TR workouts are great, but I rather see the relationship of the harder I pedal, the faster I go. I rather shoot for PRs (or beating competition...whether other online players or my previous PB) than simply ride at a prescribed power for X time. ETA: My coworker does have a Hero 2. If you guys do get into this, just let me know and I can try to give you guys some sample video from Hawaii to try out.

Does the Hero 2 have enough battery life to get all the way up Haleakala? 

Marc - my setup is even slightly simpler than that: Since the Kickr can communicate via ANT or Bluetooth smart, I use bluetooth so no ANT necessary. I do have an older iPad that does not have Bluetooth 4.0, so I do have to use the dongle with that if I use that for some reason (i.e., don't have a television mirror my phone to). We have appleTVs at home and use those for streaming, but when I travel I just keep an HDMI cable with me and use that for a direct connection instead. The Kurt Kinetic inRide is bluetooth smart also (not ANT) so if you have a newer device with BT4.0 then you wouldn't need a dongle for that either. 

One other nice feature of Kinomap is that you don't have to have a wifi connection to use it (I don't always) - you can download the videos you want (in HD even) when you have a connection and store them locally on the device. Then you can ride away with all the same controls later. That also lets you do a group virtual race via a cellular connection without having to deal with a lot of data transfer overhead.

Originally posted by ligersandtions  Since it calculates your speed based onyour power and weight, rolling resistance, tire size, and wind speed, and you can set it up to "race" other riders, does it take draft effect into account? I could never keep up with you guys on my own, but I may be able to hang on for dear life

This one does!

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It's very competitive, and it's anticipated to be more so next year with Worlds for 2015 being in Chicago. No idea about you racing it being Canadian or what that would mean towards going to worlds. If you want a competitive Oly, this would definitely be a good one to look into.

Nothing really relevant to post - just the simple fact that I'm trying to add biking and swimming back into my life.  My 500M TT this morning was what I expected, and was pretty close to Ben's times from his swim meet....not.

I got that email too.

The next USA vs Canada showdown?  

It's an interesting thought. I don't know about doing the Oly at that point, or if I'll even have a race to qualify in time (or at all), but the Sprint has been getting strong consideration.

If you guys would like to focus on the OLY distance next year then I would DEFINITELY put this one on your schedule. It has become increasingly competitive over the past several years and with the move to Milwaukee it has become even more so. It is a great town for a long weekend and from all reports from folks I know the course and venue are awesome. This would have been on my list for sure the past couple of years if it were not so close to my scheduled IM races. But heck, if you guys are in maybe I will do the OLY championship and then IMMT the next weekend. is that a bad idea? Maybe I should ask for advice on TT?

Seriously if you are interested I would sign up fairly early - the biggest problem with the qualification rules is that it is first come first served. IIRC it sold out very early in the season last year and they had to do a sort of rolling wait list thing to accommodate all the complaints about there not being slots available for folks that continued to qualify throughout the season. As far as being Canadian, this is WTC - I am betting so long as you pay with green money they really don't care....

WTC? They qualified in a WTC race, but this is a USAT event. Or did that mean something else?

I see a few Canadians in the results, so you should be able to get in. Probably different for Worlds qualification, if interested.

Sorry Ben, you are right. Just a brain malfunction. Meant USAT. I was referring to that email they sent out to a bunch of us last year meant to make us feel super special elite for being allowed to pay money to get on the waitlist. It was kind of funny.

I, on the other hand, did not get such an email.  I am just hoping I don't get the email I got last year from USAT....paraphrasing but not by much....  "Ohhhhh, you were so close to qualifying for the nationals, if only you'd manned up and ran just a *bit* harder, or suffered jsut a little more.  Or perhaps put the donut down.....  Maybe next year???  Good luck with that"

My bike is on it's way to Arizona via TBT....only 9 more days.....it's been a long season

You'll do great Jim!  Post your bib number when you have it!

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