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2012-04-16 11:15 AM
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from the boston globe:

11:21 a.m.: The BAA reported that of the 26,716 runners who were awarded numbers, 22,426 actually started the race. That’s 84 percent, with more than 4,000 runners staying out after officials warned about today’s heat.

I guess there's no way to tell if that includes charity runners or qualifying runners or what. Do the charity runners deferring take slots away from people trying to qualify? I haven't qualified yet but it's on my list of things to do this year. Hope this doesn't make it even more monumentally difficult to get in... :-P



2012-04-16 11:35 AM
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FELTGood - 2012-04-16 6:39 AM I think its a little cya but also the proactive thing to do. sometimes people need to be saved from themselves. But as the above poster said , out of all the marathons Boston must have proportionally greater numbers of very accomplished runners.

this for sure. As experienced as individuals may be who qualify for Boston, do triathlons, or what have you, their is an inherent stuborness (in many) to know when to call it quits and keep pushing on, especially in a race setting. Sometimes this piece of information make a big difference.

 

 

2012-04-16 12:14 PM
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NewClydesdale - 2012-04-15 3:44 PM

I'm confused by some of the language, and maybe it is just because I've never looked into going to Boston... but...

Since I think you have to BQ to enter, and a BQ is not a inconsequential acheivment, why would they be "advising out-of-shape runners, inexperienced runners" to be cautious.  I can't see an out of shape or inexperienced runner making it to start.

 

Also the main sponsor, John Hancock, gives out bibs to their clients who are runners as well. ING does the same with NYC.

2012-04-16 12:18 PM
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Renee - 2012-04-16 11:02 AM

A friend of mine is running this morning. Looks like he is struggling.


My friend is running, too. She started out with a faster than normal pace and has slowed considerably as she crossed the 30k mark. Even given the heat her pace overall won't be much off of her BQ time, but it's only getting hotter out there, so we'll see what happens these last few miles. Hope she's hydrated and fueled.
2012-04-16 12:28 PM
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First place 2012

Wesley Korir - KEN - 2:12:40

First place 2011

Geoffrey Mutai - KEN - 2:03:02

Looks like the winner was 9:38 slower than last year.  That's what? 22.061sec/mile off the pace from last year.  Guess the heat had a bit of an effect even on the Kenyans.  But hey, an American took 4th! 

2012-04-16 12:45 PM
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Hopefully they bothered to run the event better given the heat scare.  They run the event on minimal everything as far as the athletes are concerned.   


2012-04-16 1:10 PM
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bgraboski - 2012-04-16 8:48 AM

If they want to give deferals, fine. BUT with one exception, you have to qualify again to guarantee your spot. 

The whole deferal to next year w/o have to requalify again is BS ihmo.  If it is too hot for you, go home and qualify again.  If you are out of shape charity runner and it is too hot for you, go home and raise $5000 again next year.

Did Chicago Marathon in the heat (2010) and it was hotter than Boston and the only thing we got was "Be Careful".  More than enough for me.  Sure it sucked, but that is life as a runner.   But maybe we triathletes have a little more HTFU in us as we schedule IM/HIM's that are regularly 90's and we don't complain (much).  Maybe IM Loiusville will give out deferals if it hits 90....hahahahaha.

Totally agree. You train in all kinds of weather because you have to race in all kinds of weather. It's BOSTON, arguably the most elite of all the road races.

I guess the real question now is whether or not it will affect the number of slots and time cutoffs per AG for 2013.

2012-04-16 1:21 PM
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Ran it. Knew by mile 8 that my goal time was not attainable. The second half was a sufferfest. Lots of really fit people, including me, walked for stretches.

This was the least fun I have ever had at a marathon. Boo hoo. I guess at least I have finished Boston.
2012-04-16 1:26 PM
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It must have been really bad out there -- have been tracking my friends online. Two of my guy friends who wanted to break three hours finished in 3:50 and 4:07. One of my girlfriends has a 3:20 PR and ran a 3:58 today, and my other girlfriend has a 3:38 PR and still hasn't finished, but I can tell by her splits that she's suffering.
2012-04-16 1:27 PM
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wannabefaster - 2012-04-16 2:21 PM Ran it. Knew by mile 8 that my goal time was not attainable. The second half was a sufferfest. Lots of really fit people, including me, walked for stretches. This was the least fun I have ever had at a marathon. Boo hoo. I guess at least I have finished Boston.

Congrats for running and finishing. Must have been really rough after training in A2 all winter. Now go get a beer and a nap, you earned it.

2012-04-16 1:42 PM
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just got back from cheering on the racers at mi 14 and its brutal out there.  Lots and lots of walking.  My car thermometer said 98 in the sun and 91 in the shade.  My kids were complaining of the heat and they were sitting in the shade. Congrats to all the racers out there.


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My sister finished in 03:34:10. Not a PR, but not too shabby. 

A few of my Rev3 Teammates are running. One crushed it, and the other two were definitely suffering in the heat. 

2012-04-16 1:46 PM
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My friend just finished at 3:51. Only a few minutes behind her qualifying time last fall. Congrats to all that did it and lived to tell the tale!
2012-04-16 2:15 PM
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Congrads to all who finished today (and to those who started)!  Those who went out too hard probably learned a valuable lesson about racing in the heat.  Those who treated it as a "fun run" probably had the race of thier life (fun wise anyway). 

Hope that those who did blow up didn't get angry and "enjoyed" the back half of the race.  I know when I blew up in Chicago '10 due to the heat, I limped/crawled/jogged the last 5-6 miles giving high fives to as many kids as I could and just enjoyed the fans.  Sure, I came in 30+ minutes over my goal, but I made the most of it, had fun, and lived to run another day.

2012-04-16 3:24 PM
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Friend of mine ran.  Multi-IM finisher and usually a sub-3:00 marathon runner.  Finished today in 3:43.  Conditions must have been rough.

2012-04-16 3:41 PM
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Finished today in 3:12. Training had predicted a mid 2:50's finish in ideal conditions. My first half was 1:32 and the second half was 1:40. Definitely glad it's done!


2012-04-16 5:02 PM
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Look at the elite results vs. last year and it tells the tale...cool temps and tailwind vs. 80F-plus = almost 10 min. slower winning times.  Med tents and drop-out shuttles much busier than usual, apparently.  Congrats to everyone who finished.
2012-04-16 5:28 PM
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SOOO proud of you BT's, Nate, wannabe faster, sister of ratherbeswimming! You guys are tough.
2012-04-16 7:17 PM
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natethomas2000 - 2012-04-16 4:41 PM

Finished today in 3:12. Training had predicted a mid 2:50's finish in ideal conditions. My first half was 1:32 and the second half was 1:40. Definitely glad it's done!


Nice work. I went 1:33-1:49ish for significantly off of goal but I am feeling much better as I look at the carnage in the results. I guess I need to come back to try again, but my second half meltdown means I need to requalify
2012-04-16 7:56 PM
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bgraboski - 2012-04-16 8:48 AM

If they want to give deferals, fine. BUT with one exception, you have to qualify again to guarantee your spot. 

The whole deferal to next year w/o have to requalify again is BS ihmo.  If it is too hot for you, go home and qualify again.  If you are out of shape charity runner and it is too hot for you, go home and raise $5000 again next year.

Did Chicago Marathon in the heat (2010) and it was hotter than Boston and the only thing we got was "Be Careful".  More than enough for me.  Sure it sucked, but that is life as a runner.   But maybe we triathletes have a little more HTFU in us as we schedule IM/HIM's that are regularly 90's and we don't complain (much).  Maybe IM Loiusville will give out deferals if it hits 90....hahahahaha.

I'm with ya on this.  The weather is also a gamble- you can never be gauranteed optimal conditions on race day.  Most people know that when you sign up for a race.   And with the winter being so mild nationwide, it was a given that race day would be above avg temps compared to the past.

Was it back in 2007 when the Boston Marathon had the noreaster blow through on race day?  So that was cold, windy and rainy- definitely not ideal running weather.  Did they allow runners to defer because the conditions weren't right and people could have gotten hypothermia?  Nope.  So what made today any different?  I guess what I'm saying is, where do you draw the line.

It's nice that they let runners defer- for those that chose to defer.  But that definitely screws it up for others trying to qualify and not being able to get a spot.

Kona is hot and windy- has anyone had the opportunity to defer that?

2012-04-16 7:56 PM
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I ran a 3:51 and my recent PR was 3:14, plus I trained very consistently this spring (Pfitzinger's 70 mile per week plan) and felt pretty confident that I could run close to three hours.  I had gatorade, water, gels, and salt pills (although I dropped some of my salt pills). By mile 8 I realized that it was definitely not a PR day, and dialed my pace back considerably. I even went to run/walk intervals for the last 8 miles, although I did run all of the hills including Heartbreak.  Despite taking what I thought were reasonable precautions, I ended up in the medical tent getting an IV bag of saline, as I became very dizzy after the finish, and had my blood pressure drop to 80/50 and had a temperature of 94. It was definitely a "fun run" today Cool


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