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2012-04-15 11:20 AM

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Subject: If you run and die in Boston it is not on the BAA
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/14/baa-urges-some-runners-to-con...

I find this interesting. BAA certainly covering their butt in a very extreme fashion. Remarkable that they have to though.

I know that I would be one of the people who would ignore the conditions and go out hard. An email certainly wouldn't stop me from going out, but I do think it would convince me to take it easy.

Meanwhile it is -6C with 30km winds here.

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2012-04-15 11:45 AM
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I will be one of those people ignoring the warning...I feel like anyone involved in triathlons or marathon type of events should be responsible to know their boundries and not rely on the race organizers.
2012-04-15 11:55 AM
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I'm planning on being a bit conservative - dropping my pace by 10-15 sec/mile than original goal pace, and see how that feels. After putting in the training for the past five months, I wasn't about to wait until next year. Heck, if it was going to be 100 I'd still run.
2012-04-15 2:44 PM
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I'm confused by some of the language, and maybe it is just because I've never looked into going to Boston... but...

Since I think you have to BQ to enter, and a BQ is not a inconsequential acheivment, why would they be "advising out-of-shape runners, inexperienced runners" to be cautious.  I can't see an out of shape or inexperienced runner making it to start.

2012-04-15 2:55 PM
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NewClydesdale - 2012-04-15 2:44 PM

I'm confused by some of the language, and maybe it is just because I've never looked into going to Boston... but...

Since I think you have to BQ to enter, and a BQ is not a inconsequential acheivment, why would they be "advising out-of-shape runners, inexperienced runners" to be cautious.  I can't see an out of shape or inexperienced runner making it to start.

That was my exact question. Are there lottery spots or foundation spots of some kind?

2012-04-15 2:55 PM
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There are charity runners who do not have to qualify.  

 

My husband would defer (if he was running this year)as he has a history of problems with the heat.  



2012-04-15 3:07 PM
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Are they concerned just because 88 is extremely high of a temperature for April in Boston?

I guess I thought most IM events were in the 80s or warmer - thinking Louisville here - does WTC urge people not to do their events either in hot temperatures? 

2012-04-15 3:49 PM
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I'm going to try to run my original goal time. I don't want to get to the finish line and feel like I could have gone harder. If I feel like death at any point I will ramp back but I just don't want to leave anything out there. If you read my obit on Tuesday, as the title says, it is not the BAAS's fault.
2012-04-15 8:01 PM
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Jahmmy - 2012-04-15 12:55 PM

There are charity runners who do not have to qualify.  

 

My husband would defer (if he was running this year)as he has a history of problems with the heat.  

And the charity runners start in the last wave, so in addition to generally being less experienced then the bulk of the field (the qualifiers), they will be on the course later into the afternoon heat.  Particularly bad combination and several thousand charity runners in the field.

2012-04-15 8:22 PM
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mll1605 - 2012-04-15 4:07 PM

Are they concerned just because 88 is extremely high of a temperature for April in Boston?

I guess I thought most IM events were in the 80s or warmer - thinking Louisville here - does WTC urge people not to do their events either in hot temperatures? 

I was wondering about that, too, if they were just taking extra consideration since people from cooler parts of the country haven't trained in heat for a good 9 months or so.

I did an Oly tri last summer and the heat index was over 100. They didn't issue any sort of warning. Oh, and the race sucked!

2012-04-15 8:28 PM
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This is also a precautionary measure based on Chicago a few years ago with extreme temps and a number of deaths. They are doing everything to cover their butts which is smart. And yes, there are definitely people who don't qualify athletically, but they certain,y do by raising much needed $$ for many charities.


2012-04-15 8:58 PM
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I am going to run fairly hard tomorrow as well. Maybe not at the 3:15 finish pace I have been training for but more like 3:20. If I feel good after heart break hill I may have enough left in the tank to get a 3:17 or so. If not I will still enjoy myself defering never entered my mind.
2012-04-15 9:55 PM
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Hmmm, we train and race in 110-120 every summer, it's hot but not a killer
2012-04-15 10:20 PM
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SWIM2LIVE - 2012-04-15 7:55 PM Hmmm, we train and race in 110-120 every summer, it's hot but not a killer

Sure and I train in 90F plus temps here in LA every summer...

...but A) not everyone lives out here, B) this isn't summer and the field for Boston has been training over the winter, and C) there's also the issue of heat plus humidity...not an issue in Vegas (or the San Fernando Valley, where I live), but a disastrous combo in the East, Midwest, and South.  The big problems in the Chicago Marathon a couple years back were in temperatures only in the upper 80s...the heat index was a lot higher than that because of the typical humidity associated with high temps in the non-desert parts of the country...you just don't perspire as effectively with higher humidity.

2012-04-15 11:34 PM
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you can run a marathon in those conditions.

you will run it slower.

 

I guess that's nice of the BAA- but I recently qualified by a paltry 1 min and 45 sec.  I thought I had a pretty good shot at getting in next April and have been dreaming about spending my 49th birthday next year in Boston.  Now- with all these Deferred runners- who ran 5 min slower than me, I may not get a spot.  

life's a bioch  

so- I'm encouraging everyone in the men's 45-49 age group to enjoy their race tomorrow.  Don't bother with the PR, so just enjoy the experience at a suitable pace for the temps.



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2012-04-16 2:49 AM
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I always view events as on me.  Other than like a SAG vehicle running into me on the bike course, I'm responsible for my own safety.  I show up and it's hotter, I'll try to run, drink more, eat more gls, etc.  Quit if I have to.  I wouldn't not show up though.  I tend to be more conservative with rain and wind and the bike, but heat never deters me (I tend to do well on the heat, my first marathon was high 90's and they call it Running with the Devil).  But it's on you.  How are you going to know what to wear if you don't look at the forecast for the duration of your race?  Then you plan.  I don't even read waivers, I just sign it.  Anything happens (within reason, i.e. car example), not their fault.


2012-04-16 5:39 AM
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I think its a little cya but also the proactive thing to do. Esometimes people need to be saved from themselves. But as the above poster said , out of all the marathons Boston must have proportionally greater numbers of very accomplished runners.

Btw.....never heard of bandit runners except for those few people in the past who tried to claim victory running onto the course late to win. But this report insinuates that they get a lot of runners without bibs
2012-04-16 6:00 AM
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This reminds me of when I ran NJ Marathon a few years ago.  It was on May 2 and it was 92 degrees at the start of the race.  I trained all winter long in gloves and hats and now I had to run a marathon in the heat.  It was awefull.  People were dropping like flies after 15 miles.  Almost every muscle in my body cramped by the end of the race....scary
2012-04-16 7:45 AM
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NewClydesdale - 2012-04-15 2:44 PM

I'm confused by some of the language, and maybe it is just because I've never looked into going to Boston... but...

Since I think you have to BQ to enter, and a BQ is not a inconsequential acheivment, why would they be "advising out-of-shape runners, inexperienced runners" to be cautious.  I can't see an out of shape or inexperienced runner making it to start.

You can legitimately qualify for Boston with a great time far in advance of the current year's race and then get injured sometime between your qualifying race and Boston.  So, its very conceivable that you could qualify with a great time but then be out of shape come race day due to injury that you may have recovered from but you just haven't enough time to get back to the shape you were in when you qualified.

2012-04-16 7:48 AM
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FELTGood - 2012-04-16 5:39 AM Btw.....never heard of bandit runners except for those few people in the past who tried to claim victory running onto the course late to win. But this report insinuates that they get a lot of runners without bibs

tons actually...bandits have been part of Boston for much of its history

2012-04-16 7:48 AM
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If they want to give deferals, fine. BUT with one exception, you have to qualify again to guarantee your spot. 

The whole deferal to next year w/o have to requalify again is BS ihmo.  If it is too hot for you, go home and qualify again.  If you are out of shape charity runner and it is too hot for you, go home and raise $5000 again next year.

Did Chicago Marathon in the heat (2010) and it was hotter than Boston and the only thing we got was "Be Careful".  More than enough for me.  Sure it sucked, but that is life as a runner.   But maybe we triathletes have a little more HTFU in us as we schedule IM/HIM's that are regularly 90's and we don't complain (much).  Maybe IM Loiusville will give out deferals if it hits 90....hahahahaha.



2012-04-16 7:52 AM
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Those are the conditions I train and race in all the time,as do many athletes in Southeast Asia and Africa. The key danger here is that it's early in the season and most people won't be acclimated. If you are racing, pace conservatively, hydrate with water and electrolyte drinks, watch yourself for signs of heat exhaustion, and you should be fine. I have run marathons in 80's and high humidity, as well as 90's and low humidity, and an Oly in high 90's/high humidity, with no need for medical attention or unusual problems other than some cramps in the Oly. Just listen to your body and keep drinking. However, it's nice for the organizers to give people the option--some just don't run well in the heat or have experience in dealing with it and it is probably a smart move from a liability/safety perspective, even if it creates problems for next year.
2012-04-16 7:56 AM
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bgraboski - 2012-04-16 5:48 AM

If they want to give deferals, fine. BUT with one exception, you have to qualify again to guarantee your spot. 

The whole deferal to next year w/o have to requalify again is BS ihmo.  If it is too hot for you, go home and qualify again.  If you are out of shape charity runner and it is too hot for you, go home and raise $5000 again next year.

Did Chicago Marathon in the heat (2010) and it was hotter than Boston and the only thing we got was "Be Careful".  More than enough for me.  Sure it sucked, but that is life as a runner.   But maybe we triathletes have a little more HTFU in us as we schedule IM/HIM's that are regularly 90's and we don't complain (much).  Maybe IM Loiusville will give out deferals if it hits 90....hahahahaha.

Problem is, it is their race and they can do what they want.  I imagine most people will still run.  Most are already there (well, they better be there now).  I suspect the warning and deferral is more about making people think more then anything. 

2012-04-16 11:02 AM
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A friend of mine is running this morning. Looks like he is struggling.

2012-04-16 11:10 AM
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My husband was going to do it.  It would have been his second ever marathon.  You don't have to be super experienced to qualify.  You only have to have done 1 before.  I would consider that still pretty inexperienced, esp if the qualifier was in 50 degree temps.
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