Cliven Bundy - States Rights Patriot or Domestic Terrorist? (Page 2)

That would be my guess........it also might signal a concern of an armed confrontation....dogs go first in those scenarios.

If the numbers I pulled down from the web are correct, it costs a bit under $30/mo. to feed a cow.  BLM grazing fees are $1.35/mo per animal.  Assuming a cow can get all the food it needs grazing (maybe it can't ?) then you'd be saving close to $30/mo in feed costs per head. 

Is the essence of the dispute about paying the $1.35/head monthly grazing fee that would need to be paid for each animal grazing on the government property (I get he maintains it's not government property)?  Is that what the government has been trying to get over the years?

I don't know the dollar amounts in play, but I'd say you're essentially correct.

There's no question the law was changed and that he owes the fees.  It's like you or I arguing that we don't have to pay a speeding ticket because the speed limit used to be 55 and now it's 45.  It is what it is and we have to pay the fine.

There certainly are valid arguments as to "why" the laws were changed and overall ownership of the land in the future but those are irrelevant from the legal standpoint.

There isn't any cost to the federal government if they graze or not because it's not like they're mowing it or anything.  It seems to be more geared towards controlled development of "green" type initiatives and wildlife conservation as being the main drivers for the fees.  I'm not familiar enough with the whole thing to know if they're trying to stop it altogether or simply make him pay the fees required by law.

Yeah, I'd guess he's probably worried that if he abides by the permit process, then the BLM might come back in the future and refuse to issue a grazing permit for the cattle so that the desert tortoise population and the non-indigenous wild horses can run free on the land.

I don't have any numbers, but I talked today with a friend who runs field trials for german shorthairs.  He's got some of the top dogs in the country so he ends up knowing a lot of folks who have big tracts of land in Ks., Neb., etc.  He told me that he knows people who allow the feds to place wild mustangs on their land before adoption, relocation, etc.  He said these people get HUGE checks from the feds for the use of their land.  In his words, the ranchers in this dispute don't want to pay the grazing fees which are actually ridiculously cheap for free range cattle on land that doesn't belong to them, but belongs to the Federal govt.  I guess you can make the argument that if the land is owned by the feds it belongs to all of us, but we all know that's not the way it works.  We can't just move into a National park, or do whatever we want on BLM land.  The whole issue is the ranchers don't want to pay for the ranging/feeding of their cattle. 

Where are Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall when we need them? 

When I was a kid growing up in that region, my friend's dad was involved in the apprehension of a fugitive who had already killed officers.  After the arrest, the killer let him know that he'd been in his sights as they closed in on his location.  For whatever reason he decided that he was done with the killing at that point, so my friend's dad came home to his family that night.

A situation like this one here could go bad for a lot of people very quickly.  I'm glad nobody did anything too rash.

The Utah governor put out a statement that he did not want the cattle brought to Utah. It seems that the Feds had nowhere to take the cattle to sell.

. I think that a lot of his supporters are radicals just itching for a fight - too bad the Bundy's seem to enjoy the attention.

. I put this link on my Facebook, and found out that a morman acquaintance was all fired up, and knew these people. "Hopefully people will read and figure out what really is happening here. If we don't soon figure it out I feel really sorry for my children and grandchildren." I actually figured she had un friended my over my pro marriage equality posts months ago!

8 NOPD officers on horseback is all it takes to clear Bourbon St. at midnight on Mardi Gras.

No doubt....it's awesome to watch those teams work.

You should see them when they are eating people.......everybody runs!!!  LOL

Yes, but how will they handle the coming Zombie Apocalypse?

Guess one could add Proud Racist to the title of the thread?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/24/heres-video-of-cliven-bundy-making-those-racial-remarks-about-the-negro-and-slavery/ 

I saw this on the news the other day.  Holy smokes, what an idiot.  /facepalm

Even if he was trying to simply make a point about people being beholden to the government not being a good thing (which I agree with), could he have possibly come up with a more ridiculous and insulting way of saying it.

I was mildly sympathetic to his plight over the land stuff, but I think it's safe to say I don't feel too sympathetic for him anymore.

Watched the live CNN interview today. I don't think he has any clue how bad he makes himself look. Every time he opened his mouth, something inflammatory came out. CNN didn't even know what to do when he held up the dead calf.

The guy is an absolute moron.

Maybe he is hoping that if he ends up having to pay the exorbitant $1.35/head grazing fees, that he can get some slave labor to help offset the expense.  So, what's next?  Ancestors had children for wives, and they were much better off than today's kids?

The sad part is, I think you did a pretty good job summarizing what he said.  

Is that your professional opinion?

I think that idiot is too stupid to bring up Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks......I think some other idiot(s) coached him to that......and he couldn't even make a coherent thought out of it, no matter how dumb the premise would be or which dumbarse thought it up.