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2006-01-02 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
maybe i missed it somewhere along the way, but chances are that if you guys were racing with timing chips, and you caught up to him at the end, there's a good chance that you beat him by a lot more than the 1 second he is pissed about. unless you are running along with someone the whole time, or if you are racing a tri and know that someone is in your AG, who beats who to the finish line may be irrelevant. that being said, i would've smoked him too.


2006-01-02 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
I have to admit, a race is a race. I would feel that about any stranger.  That said, I ran a 5k with a friend from work. She ran the entire race about 200yds ahead of me and was my motivation to keep going.  I caught her in the last 1/4 mile and we ran together. When it came to the finish line, I let her go ahead and finish 1 place ahead of me. I didn't feel right about passing her in the last 10 feet, when she'd performed better the entire run.  Call me a softie!
2006-01-02 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
glf33 - 2006-01-01 10:17 PM

If I happen to pass someone at the end in my attempt to do my best, then fine. But "beating" ONE person at the finish to move from 743rd to 742nd place does NOT make me a winner.



But it's not about finishing 742nd vs 743rd - it's about running the best race you can for you.  If I've got a bit of energy left when the finish line is in sight, I am burning it up, even if I am DFL.
2006-01-02 12:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
Colomingle - 2006-01-02 11:56 AM

I let her go ahead and finish 1 place ahead of me. I didn't feel right about passing her in the last 10 feet, when she'd performed better the entire run.  Call me a softie!


No she didn't!! She went out too hard, and you spent your energy more effectively. You ran the better race!
2006-01-02 2:07 PM
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The guy needs to get a grip.  Passing in a race is part of whether in the beginning, middle, or at the finish.  You always finish strong and fast.  I can still hear coach at 800M saying 'pick it up, need a 95' and at 400M saying 'kick at 2 and need you under 90'. 



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2006-01-02 3:17 PM
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That guy sounds like he got up on the wrong side of the bed.  I've heard arguments on the various boards about whether it's poor form to sprint at the end of a race.  Some feel it's showboating and pointless particularly if it's going from 700th to 699th. 

Whether I sprint or not, it's got nothing to do with trying to show up anyone.  Sometimes I sprint out of excitement, and sometimes I don't bother.  In Timberman last year I sprinted because the guy behind me was chasing me down.  I wasn't sure if it was male or female charging up on me.  I was concerned that my competition may have been reeling me in.  I don't look back until I'm done.





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2006-01-02 3:23 PM
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NYtrigal - 2006-01-02 1:17 PM

That guy sounds like he got up on the wrong side of the bed.  I've heard arguments on the various boards about whether it's poor form to sprint at the end of a race.  Some feel it's showboating and pointless particularly if it's going from 700th to 699th. 

Whether I sprint or not, it's got nothing to do with trying to show up anyone.  Sometimes I sprint out of excitement, and sometimes I don't bother.  In Timberman last year I sprinted because the guy behind me was chasing me down.  I wasn't sure if it was male or female charging up on me.  I was concerned that my competition may have been reeling me in.  I don't look back until I'm done.

Well done!!!!

Didn't that make it more fun and exciting for you, having the healthy competition at the end of a grueling race?

2006-01-02 4:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
NYtrigal - 2006-01-02 12:17 PM

That guy sounds like he got up on the wrong side of the bed.  I've heard arguments on the various boards about whether it's poor form to sprint at the end of a race.  Some feel it's showboating and pointless particularly if it's going from 700th to 699th. 

Whether I sprint or not, it's got nothing to do with trying to show up anyone.  Sometimes I sprint out of excitement, and sometimes I don't bother.  In Timberman last year I sprinted because the guy behind me was chasing me down.  I wasn't sure if it was male or female charging up on me.  I was concerned that my competition may have been reeling me in.  I don't look back until I'm done.

Yes yes, Well Done, never look behind you to see who it is.  Just keep pumping those arms, remember your form and cut the other person off so they can't slingshot around you........It never fails that if you look over your left shoulder the runner will go by you on the right or vice versa......

Getting back to the Chute.  When you have run your guts out racing to the finish mat, keep moving so you keep your place in the line.  Unless it is chipped timed.  Than the mat should have you on t he computer.

But it also sucks if you are prepping for the finish line photo, checking yourself out.  And right when you finish, sluggo does one of the those fast finishes and no matter how much cropping you do, You have someone else in the photo.<img align='middle' src='https://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/images/emoticons/frown.gif'>

2006-01-02 5:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
isis54 - 2006-01-02 7:11 AM

answer to guy : Why did you LET me ???


I ran a 5K in the fall where I sprinted out the last 50 yards and passed a girl right at the finish. As we were walking down the chute, she looked over at me and said that if she knew I was going to do that, she would of sped up too. I looked at her and said maybe you should have anyway.

The next race I did, we ran into each other 1/2 mile from the end and ended up sprinting the last 800m. We also ended up crossing together. We've ran into each other a few other times, and it's kind of a friendly rivelry we have going now.

As long as I'm not breaking the rules, I have no qualms about doing it. Even drafting until the end and slingshotting (if drafting is allowed), because you know what? There was nothing stopping the guy being drafted from drafting someone else. If someone else did it to me, yes I'd be mad. Not so much because they did it, but because I didn't think of it first.
2006-01-02 6:44 PM
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I do not have the experience that the majority of you have, however, my perspective is that I am not racing or challenging anyone but myself and TIME!!! Tough if someone can't handle that.

I would never expect someone to lay done for me and I would be upset if they didn't pass me if they could...

Sounds like you did the right thing by not getting into it.

2006-01-03 7:04 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
I understand that racing is racing, but we're not pros and I would rather know I could pass someone than feel the need to ruin their race. I will pass people down the stretch, but will take a serious look at the finish and determine if it is worth upsetting people. I will not pass in the last say 100 feet before the chute unless the person has given up. I know the time I could get. Is it really that important? Don't we do this for ourselves,the Fun and Comraderie.


2006-01-03 7:18 AM
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of course we do it for fun- but why would it "ruin" someone's race if you are keeping on your pace- even if that means your last minute "kick" or sprint to the finish for YOUR PB ?
And just WHO is taking it too seriously if someone is worried that someone goes by them at the end?
Part of challenging yourself in a race is figuring out your strategy and how to "finish strong"- where someone else is on the course has nothing to do with that...whether in front of - or behind- y'know?
Having said all that- some of my most fun/memorable races have been those done "just for fun" but I would hate to feel that I "shouldn't" .."go for it" for example if my goal was to finish in under a certain time- I can see it on the clock- kick up my pace- but oh wait - there's harry- gotta let him go first... y'know- nor would I want a fellow racer to feel that way about ME- if you can do it- DO IT- and I'll be the first to celebrate for you- you ran your best race-
again just my 2cents
2006-01-03 7:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race

To answer the irate elderly triathlete's question:  "why did you pass me at the end?", you should have said: "Because it's a race!"

Whether you are doing for fun or not, a triathlon is a race.  Therefore, passing another contestant up to and including the finish line is more than acceptable.  I was passed mere inches from the finish line in my last race and was not disturbed by it.  I reasoned that the person who passed me merely had a better kick than me at the end. 

2006-01-03 7:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
IMO I think you sell short the amount of work you put into training day in and day out if you dont give it your all. Does it make sense to throw your committment to your goal away simply because someone didnt train as hard or isnt giving their full effort? Unless this is a fun run and you want to coast, give it all you got. Why does this guy have the right to expect you not to give your best the duration of the race?
2006-01-03 7:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
If you scored a PB and let up at the end, that isn't your PERSONAL BEST time
2006-01-03 8:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
I know this was brought up about the chip thing, but if we were in fact the same heat, this guy didnt show me the consideration of waiting for me on his better swim (likeliest culprit for me) or on the bike. Why should he get special treatment on the run after kicking my arse on one of the other legs?

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2006-01-03 9:25 AM
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For me, reeling in the person in front of me is great motivation.  If there's one more at the finish that I can pass, I do it!  And thank you to those of you who pass me (or lap me!) anywhere on the course.  It makes me redouble my efforts to maintain or pick up pace, and to turn in the best performance possible. 
2006-01-03 9:41 AM
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Short of hip-checking someone at the chute all bets are off.  It's a race.  I was the passee in that situation in a 5k in October and all I could think was "how did that person spend the whole race behind me if they can really run that fast?".  Who cares?  It never crossed my mind to be upset that I finished behind the person because....and here's the big shocker....that person ran faster than me.

Ok, let's see if we all get the formula here.  Run faster, place ahead of people who run slower. 

It doesn't matter when you run faster.  Do people get yelled at for sprinting at the start?  What's the difference?  There were probably people who were gaining slightly on me the whole race but because I sprinted like a madman at the beginning I managed to stay ahead of them.  Who cares?

2006-01-03 10:06 AM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
i have one like that too! at minneman last year (sprint) i had the sense that someone was coming up behind me, so i put on a little more steam. and no, mr. long legs did NOT pass me! (and i placed as 3rd athena! my first placing in a race ever).

i've passed people at the end, and had people pass me. at my first 1/2 marathon, there were these two women who were racing and we bunny hopped each other several times. at the end, maybe a 1/8 mile from the finish, they passed me. i was really at the end of my race, and didn't have anything left to push past them. i spent those last few minutes reminding me who i was racing against, and why i was racing. i crossed the finish line with a smile on my face, not sour grapes.



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2006-01-03 1:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race
I still remember trying to pass at the end of the first 5k race I ever did. I was poorly prepared, went out too fast, walked some in the middle, and then tried to pull it together through the last third of the race for a decent time. After the walking, I started running down other racers. With about 100 yards to go, I was coming up on a kid who looked about 10 or 12. He looked back, saw me coming, and started to sprint. I gave it everything I had to pass him and pulled even for bit. The crowd at the finish line saw us coming and started yelling and cheering us on. He got me in the end but only by about a foot. I didn't see him after that because I was busy trying not to throw up or pass out, but I thought it was a great way to finish a race.
2006-01-03 1:19 PM
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It's a race.  Trample the weak and hurdle the dead.


2006-01-03 3:50 PM
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I'm in the "it's a race" category too. However, with this caveat...if you and the person you are about to pass aren't going to qualify for an award...don't screw up someone elses race photo for the sake of placing one spot higher.
2006-01-03 4:17 PM
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T in Liberty Lake - 2006-01-03 1:19 PM It's a race.  Trample the weak and hurdle the dead.

I like that.  I mean I really like that.  I think I may use that in my sig line, giving you full credit of course.  Is it a quote from somewhere other than you?

2006-01-03 4:26 PM
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Not my quote.  I've seen it in other places but do not know who originally said it.
2006-01-04 4:34 AM
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I don't want to hurt any feelings or anything but it is a race. Perhaps anyone who would "get their feelings hurt" should not have signed up for a race but would be better suited for one of those organized "walks" that are sometimes held as part of a 5K.
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