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2012-05-07 1:17 PM in reply to: #4194544 |
Veteran 170 Heber City, UT/San Carlos, Mexico | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and bryancd - As a kid, I swam in the ocean all the time and don't get anxious in rough water, waves, and most importantly, when I inadvertantly swallow water and can't get a breath.
I had the same 'advantage' in the lake Saturday Bryan... growing up in the ocean. My thought when I was out there taking face shot after face shot of water, 'at least the water tastes good'. It helped to think more about the ridiculousness of the situation and try and laugh at it rather than dwell on the negative. |
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2012-05-07 1:45 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Was there ever a point where you closed your eyes and went by the Force? Edited by Fastyellow 2012-05-07 1:46 PM |
2012-05-07 1:52 PM in reply to: #4195347 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Fastyellow - 2012-05-07 12:45 PM Was there ever a point where you closed your eyes and went by the Force? Always. |
2012-05-07 2:31 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Veteran 660 Northern Illinois | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Bryan, Thanks for doing this. I always enjoy reading through Jordan's post race threads and this has been great also.
Could you give a rundown of your "peak" week for training for this race? I know everybody is different but I always enjoy seeing what kind of volume/intensity the top people do.
Thanks, Kent |
2012-05-07 3:01 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Thanks for posting this Bryan! With IMKS 70.3 coming up, good info on how to handle wind and chop is invaluable. I haen't trained by HR (or power for that matter) but I'll use my RPE "sensor" as best I can. Energy management isn't as critical in a 70.3 but my 70.3 is like your 140.6 comparatively speaking. Looking forward to the RR. |
2012-05-07 3:32 PM in reply to: #4195445 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and TriBoilermaker - 2012-05-07 1:31 PM Bryan, Thanks for doing this. I always enjoy reading through Jordan's post race threads and this has been great also.
Could you give a rundown of your "peak" week for training for this race? I know everybody is different but I always enjoy seeing what kind of volume/intensity the top people do.
Thanks, Kent You bet, Kent. If you go and look at my training logs, they are open for everyone to see, my biggest weeks were the week ending April 1st: Swim- 8200 yards Bike- 215.61 miles Run- 38.6 miles Total Time- 17 1/2 Hours And the week ending April 8th: Totals for the Week- Swim- 12,094 yards Bike- 252.23 miles Run- 47.15 miles Total Time- 22 Hours You can go and see the particulars. |
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2012-05-07 3:38 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and This is actually vaguely a serious question ... how badly does your crotch hurt after a bike like that?! |
2012-05-07 3:43 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Bryan, I know you made it clear going into the race that you were going for the AG win. Most of us mere mortals are better off "running your own race", but it seems like you did just that and had great success. Did you know that 1st place was that far ahead coming off the bike, and did you change your race strategy at all in hopes of catching him? Or did you simply run your own race and hope he would simply come back to you on the run. Also, the eventual 2nd place finisher had an unbelievable run and came within a minute of you, but you held him off. Did you have any idea how much ground he was making? Thanks and congrats again. |
2012-05-07 3:48 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Regular 641 Chicago | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Hi Bryan, Congrats again on your well-earned accomplishment. Not particularly related to IMSG, but your mom is an Ironman AG champion and I'm wondering what advice she has given you or what influence she has had on your Ironman racing. Obviously, I can imagine that it was a positive influence, but I'm wondering what was going on in your head while you watched her compete and how that has impacted your approach to triathlons. |
2012-05-07 3:49 PM in reply to: #4195615 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and TriAya - 2012-05-07 2:38 PM This is actually vaguely a serious question ... how badly does your crotch hurt after a bike like that?! You know, for me it's not bad, it's the folks who are out there for 7 hours that must really feel it! Edited by bryancd 2012-05-07 3:54 PM |
2012-05-07 3:54 PM in reply to: #4195639 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and doxie - 2012-05-07 2:48 PM Hi Bryan, Congrats again on your well-earned accomplishment. Not particularly related to IMSG, but your mom is an Ironman AG champion and I'm wondering what advice she has given you or what influence she has had on your Ironman racing. Obviously, I can imagine that it was a positive influence, but I'm wondering what was going on in your head while you watched her compete and how that has impacted your approach to triathlons. Great question. She's here at my house right now actually, I can ask her! Her most immediate influence on my racing is pure genetics. She gifted me the genes to be very good at aerobic events. The sport has changed a lot in the years since she did her last IM in 1998 but she has helped me understand the mental aspects of successful long course racing. My Mom and I are very similar in that we like machines, we can shut ourselves off and just do mindless work for hours on end and be content. That's important for both training and racing. As far as how her participation and success impacted me when I was growing up..well let's just say triathlon was hard on our family and my parents divorced in 1986 when I was 16. It wasn't just Mom's commitment to ironman, lot's of other factors clearly, but I kind of resented the sport for breaking up my family. It's taken a while for my Dad to even be super supportive of my racing due to those old feeling of resentment. But I learned from their mistakes and didn't make them with my wife, and that was the most valuable lesson by far. |
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2012-05-07 5:07 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Bryan, no question for you, just a thank you. This is what BT continues to give me, knowledge. And it is because of folks like you that are willing to open up and share. I am very interested in the mental aspect of racing, as it is the area that I have the most to gain, although the physical is a very close second. And you gave some valuable insight on that a few times in your posts today. Thanks again. |
2012-05-07 5:14 PM in reply to: #4195632 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and tri808 - 2012-05-07 2:43 PM Bryan, I know you made it clear going into the race that you were going for the AG win. Most of us mere mortals are better off "running your own race", but it seems like you did just that and had great success. Did you know that 1st place was that far ahead coming off the bike, and did you change your race strategy at all in hopes of catching him? Or did you simply run your own race and hope he would simply come back to you on the run. Also, the eventual 2nd place finisher had an unbelievable run and came within a minute of you, but you held him off. Did you have any idea how much ground he was making? Thanks and congrats again. Hey Jason, thanks again. I did know where I was coming into T2, my coach told me. I was 2nd in the AG and 3rd OA amateur at that point. I didn't know how far ahead he was until I passed my coach on the run course around mile 6 and was told he was 20min up off the bike. At that point I had no illusion I was going to catch him and ran the second pop just trying to hold on to second. Then I found out the leader was falling apart and was only 5min ahead. I would love to say i did something heroic that last lap to catch him but the reality was I just kept running as best I could and that was better then what he could and I caught him at mile 22. So no, I raced my race pretty much until the very end. The second place guy we never saw coming. Live tracking wasn't updating and the course was too crowded to spot him moving up so quickly. I got a little lucky he ran out of real estate. |
2012-05-07 5:15 PM in reply to: #4195803 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and cdban66 - 2012-05-07 4:07 PM Bryan, no question for you, just a thank you. This is what BT continues to give me, knowledge. And it is because of folks like you that are willing to open up and share. I am very interested in the mental aspect of racing, as it is the area that I have the most to gain, although the physical is a very close second. And you gave some valuable insight on that a few times in your posts today. Thanks again. I really appreciate those kind words, thank you. |
2012-05-07 6:01 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Master 1770 Bedford, MA | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Bryan, Congrats, and cool idea to do this! I'm wondering how your race at St. George compares to your other IM's in terms of physical and mental exertion. You were out on the course for quite a bit longer than planned due to the high winds, and that can come into play when you've trained for a certain course (and a ballpark time). It sounds like you realized early on that you would have to slow down a bit on the bike and run, so, even though your splits were slower, how did your overall effort compare to your previous races? |
2012-05-07 6:26 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and I'm just stepping in to say congratulations on a great race in terrible conditions, Bryan! Plus, thanks for starting this thread. I think it's a great idea, and maybe it can be a new tradition here any time someone has a race they feel could be interesting and educational for the masses to discuss in more detail.
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2012-05-07 6:38 PM in reply to: #4195900 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and natethomas2000 - 2012-05-07 5:01 PM Bryan, Congrats, and cool idea to do this! I'm wondering how your race at St. George compares to your other IM's in terms of physical and mental exertion. You were out on the course for quite a bit longer than planned due to the high winds, and that can come into play when you've trained for a certain course (and a ballpark time). It sounds like you realized early on that you would have to slow down a bit on the bike and run, so, even though your splits were slower, how did your overall effort compare to your previous races? Thanks Nate! Like I mentioned, once I realized I needed to extend the planned duration, I immediately set out adjustments to my nutrition and pacing plan. For nutrition, I had with me a few extra hundred calories in gels then I thought I would need for a faster bike. So I had that covered. Lesson learned, always just have a little bit extra with you on the bike. In regards to pacing I took more opportunities to soft pedal or coast them I would normally especially when descending. Saving my legs became a greater priority. |
2012-05-07 6:54 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Regular 120 NJ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Congratulations! And, thanks for opening up your playbook. I am sure many, especially me, will find this information essential to their own plan and strategy. It is truly generous of your time considering today you must really be tired! Andrew |
2012-05-07 7:02 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Veteran 945 South Windsor, CT | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and I am delighted, fascinated and intrigued by this thread. Into the mind of a champion...many thanks for allowing us a peek under the hood--the engine is strong but the computer behind it equally intimidating. I doubt many can make the adjustments needed on race day to change their mental fortitude or pacing strategy...let alone adjust nutrition regarding for the extra time needed. Wow. ---------------------------------------------- There are several key points which I have taken home: -accept the conditions of race day and make the best of it without wasting mental energy-instead figure out how to adapt/adjust and succeed -adjust pacing as needed-know when to push/hold or recover -prepare for the expected and make 'on the fly' adjustments as needed -race the way you train, if by HR, and stay within your zone (know where you want to be on race day before race day) -use association until it fails, then dis-associate when needed -get genetically advantaged parents (but know that genetics only sets the upper limit, the rest is up to the athlete in regards to training--and yours has been stellar)-- ((oh, well, I may not do too well with this one)) ----------------------------------------------------- thank you Bryan and congratulations! Dale |
2012-05-07 9:47 PM in reply to: #4194415 |
Veteran 214 | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and i agree with the guy above thanks for the info . best thread ever |
2012-05-07 9:52 PM in reply to: #4195995 |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and dtoce - 2012-05-07 6:02 PM I am delighted, fascinated and intrigued by this thread. Into the mind of a champion...many thanks for allowing us a peek under the hood--the engine is strong but the computer behind it equally intimidating. I doubt many can make the adjustments needed on race day to change their mental fortitude or pacing strategy...let alone adjust nutrition regarding for the extra time needed. Wow. ---------------------------------------------- There are several key points which I have taken home: -accept the conditions of race day and make the best of it without wasting mental energy-instead figure out how to adapt/adjust and succeed -adjust pacing as needed-know when to push/hold or recover -prepare for the expected and make 'on the fly' adjustments as needed -race the way you train, if by HR, and stay within your zone (know where you want to be on race day before race day) -use association until it fails, then dis-associate when needed -get genetically advantaged parents (but know that genetics only sets the upper limit, the rest is up to the athlete in regards to training--and yours has been stellar)-- ((oh, well, I may not do too well with this one)) ----------------------------------------------------- thank you Bryan and congratulations! Dale You forgot one: have The Force on your side. |
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2012-05-09 7:26 AM in reply to: #4194415 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Well, since no one else is going to ask....what kind of beer afterwards??? |
2012-05-09 7:35 AM in reply to: #4199157 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Birkierunner - 2012-05-09 6:26 AM Well, since no one else is going to ask....what kind of beer afterwards??? Guinness Extra Stout...x2....and then half a bottle of LaCreme Pinot Noire.. |
2012-05-09 7:40 AM in reply to: #4194415 |
Master 1411 Lexington, KY | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and Hey Bryan, just saw this thread. Since I haven't seen your RR yet (ahem), I thought I'd use this to congratulate you. It's a real feather-in-your-cap to pull off the AG win on a tough course under those conditions. And top-20 OA at age 44! Your mental toughness/focus is clear in both the race itself and the preparation outlined in your logs. Big Congrats. |
2012-05-09 7:54 AM in reply to: #4199185 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: IMSG and racing in tough conditions Q and wiky - 2012-05-09 6:40 AM Hey Bryan, just saw this thread. Since I haven't seen your RR yet (ahem), I thought I'd use this to congratulate you. It's a real feather-in-your-cap to pull off the AG win on a tough course under those conditions. And top-20 OA at age 44! Your mental toughness/focus is clear in both the race itself and the preparation outlined in your logs. Big Congrats. Hey, you should start a thread just like this regarding your Rev3 win, my man. Thanks for the kind words...and pointing out so gracefully how old I am. Race Reprot should be polished up later today, stay tuned! |
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