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You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Did you read the article?  Where did it say they were teaching aspects of Hinduism?

Yep, I did read it:

She said while the teacher called it an "opening sequence" the connotation was the same in her mind: Students were learning to worship the sun, which went against her Christian beliefs that only God should be worshipped.

I don't know a lot about the Hindu religion but a quick google nets me this as the first response and there are many more:  (http://anamikas.hubpages.com/hub/Sun-Temples-Worship-Mantras-Hinduism)
Sun worship in India dates back to ancient times. Sun Worship is a ritual followed by thousands of devotees in Hindu Religion. Most Hindus start their day by worshiping the sun God. It is believed that worshiping this God gives energy and good health, which in turn leads to Money and prosperity

 

So call it stretching and problem solved.

 

lol, sold. 
Like I said, I don't have any problem with it at all including the Hindu based aspects.  I just find it amusing that nobody jumped on the separation of church and state argument that many feel so strongly about in our schools.



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tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 



On Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, it’s traditional to eat apples with honey, which symbolizes the wishes for a sweet year.. So, typically, around the Jewish New Year, if one of the parents in charge of bringing snacks to school that week happens to be Jewish, they’ll bring the kids apples and honey. It’s rooted in Jewish tradition, but there’s nothing inherently religious about it, there’s no prayer that’s associated with it—it’s just eating apples and honey.

I’d equate the yoga to that. It may have it’s roots in the Hindu religion, but there’s nothing inherently “religious” about the act of practicing yoga, necessarily. If the teacher is talking about Vishnu or whatever, then I suppose it’s a different story.

One could also make the argument that it’s as much a cultural thing as a religious thing, so the kids are learning about aspects another culture. When kids learn about Italian art and architecture, even though a lot of the famous buildings are churches and a lot of the art is religious in nature, it doesn’t mean they’re being indoctrinated into Roman Catholicism.
2012-12-17 4:04 PM
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mehaner - 2012-12-17 3:59 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 4:55 PM
crowny2 - 2012-12-17 3:51 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Did you read the article?  Where did it say they were teaching aspects of Hinduism?

Yep, I did read it:

She said while the teacher called it an "opening sequence" the connotation was the same in her mind: Students were learning to worship the sun, which went against her Christian beliefs that only God should be worshipped.

I don't know a lot about the Hindu religion but a quick google nets me this as the first response and there are many more:  (http://anamikas.hubpages.com/hub/Sun-Temples-Worship-Mantras-Hinduism)
Sun worship in India dates back to ancient times. Sun Worship is a ritual followed by thousands of devotees in Hindu Religion. Most Hindus start their day by worshiping the sun God. It is believed that worshiping this God gives energy and good health, which in turn leads to Money and prosperity

 

the anti-yoga mom said that.  the article points out that the yoga teacher doesn't do prayer positions, meditations, etc.  they do the sun salutation because it is a standard part of yoga, but they are not told to worship the sun...

And we just do the lords prayer as a warm up to our Jesus Jacks without bowing our heads.

I'm mostly just stirring the pot here, because I don't have an issue with it.  I just think you guys are missing the point that there is a religious foundation to Yoga, but it's so obscure with being in touch with ones body and the elements around us that it doesn't seem like a worshiping Jesus or Mohammad type of thing.  Yoga most certainly is not a religion, but the salutation is a Hindu thing.

2012-12-17 4:06 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 4:04 PM
mehaner - 2012-12-17 3:59 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 4:55 PM
crowny2 - 2012-12-17 3:51 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Did you read the article?  Where did it say they were teaching aspects of Hinduism?

Yep, I did read it:

She said while the teacher called it an "opening sequence" the connotation was the same in her mind: Students were learning to worship the sun, which went against her Christian beliefs that only God should be worshipped.

I don't know a lot about the Hindu religion but a quick google nets me this as the first response and there are many more:  (http://anamikas.hubpages.com/hub/Sun-Temples-Worship-Mantras-Hinduism)
Sun worship in India dates back to ancient times. Sun Worship is a ritual followed by thousands of devotees in Hindu Religion. Most Hindus start their day by worshiping the sun God. It is believed that worshiping this God gives energy and good health, which in turn leads to Money and prosperity

 

the anti-yoga mom said that.  the article points out that the yoga teacher doesn't do prayer positions, meditations, etc.  they do the sun salutation because it is a standard part of yoga, but they are not told to worship the sun...

And we just do the lords prayer as a warm up to our Jesus Jacks without bowing our heads.

I'm mostly just stirring the pot here, because I don't have an issue with it.  I just think you guys are missing the point that there is a religious foundation to Yoga, but it's so obscure with being in touch with ones body and the elements around us that it doesn't seem like a worshiping Jesus or Mohammad type of thing.  Yoga most certainly is not a religion, but the salutation is a Hindu thing.

Shhh Tony.  Don't bring up religious foundations or we will have to change all our money and our monuments in DC and sing "non religious figure Bless America."

2012-12-17 4:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Warning, Practicing yoga is anti-religious
mehaner - 2012-12-17 1:59 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 4:55 PM
crowny2 - 2012-12-17 3:51 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Did you read the article?  Where did it say they were teaching aspects of Hinduism?

Yep, I did read it:

She said while the teacher called it an "opening sequence" the connotation was the same in her mind: Students were learning to worship the sun, which went against her Christian beliefs that only God should be worshipped.

I don't know a lot about the Hindu religion but a quick google nets me this as the first response and there are many more:  (http://anamikas.hubpages.com/hub/Sun-Temples-Worship-Mantras-Hinduism)
Sun worship in India dates back to ancient times. Sun Worship is a ritual followed by thousands of devotees in Hindu Religion. Most Hindus start their day by worshiping the sun God. It is believed that worshiping this God gives energy and good health, which in turn leads to Money and prosperity

 

the anti-yoga mom said that.  the article points out that the yoga teacher doesn't do prayer positions, meditations, etc.  they do the sun salutation because it is a standard part of yoga, but they are not told to worship the sun...

And "salutation" is just another word for greeting, so just saying hi.  Not worship.

Ah, once again, someone without a clue making assumptions and complaining.  Love it.  (the people in the article, not you Meh!)

Even in the p90x Yoga class he has to explain that it's not religiously used.  He says "It's JUST Om's people"...

2012-12-17 4:12 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-17 4:03 PM 
 On Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, it’s traditional to eat apples with honey, which symbolizes the wishes for a sweet year.. So, typically, around the Jewish New Year, if one of the parents in charge of bringing snacks to school that week happens to be Jewish, they’ll bring the kids apples and honey. It’s rooted in Jewish tradition, but there’s nothing inherently religious about it, there’s no prayer that’s associated with it—it’s just eating apples and honey. I’d equate the yoga to that. It may have it’s roots in the Hindu religion, but there’s nothing inherently “religious” about the act of practicing yoga, necessarily. If the teacher is talking about Vishnu or whatever, then I suppose it’s a different story. One could also make the argument that it’s as much a cultural thing as a religious thing, so the kids are learning about aspects another culture. When kids learn about Italian art and architecture, even though a lot of the famous buildings are churches and a lot of the art is religious in nature, it doesn’t mean they’re being indoctrinated into Roman Catholicism.

Great post.

When I took "Intro to Yoga" classes, the instructor talked some about the history of yoga, what certain poses meant spiritually throughout time, etc. To me that was a great lesson in history, and clearly not meant to be a religious practice to those in the class.



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tuwood - 2012-12-17 4:59 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:55 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Did you read the article?  Where did it say they were teaching aspects of Hinduism?

Yep, I did read it:

She said while the teacher called it an "opening sequence" the connotation was the same in her mind: Students were learning to worship the sun, which went against her Christian beliefs that only God should be worshipped.

I don't know a lot about the Hindu religion but a quick google nets me this as the first response and there are many more:  (http://anamikas.hubpages.com/hub/Sun-Temples-Worship-Mantras-Hinduism)
Sun worship in India dates back to ancient times. Sun Worship is a ritual followed by thousands of devotees in Hindu Religion. Most Hindus start their day by worshiping the sun God. It is believed that worshiping this God gives energy and good health, which in turn leads to Money and prosperity

 

So call it stretching and problem solved.

 

lol, sold. 
Like I said, I don't have any problem with it at all including the Hindu based aspects.  I just find it amusing that nobody jumped on the separation of church and state argument that many feel so strongly about in our schools.

See, having practiced many times I've never felt even remotely as though i was being indoctrinated into any religion - most yoga in the 'west' has largely been reduced to a physical practice that although originally based on more religious practices isn't really used that way any more - and that's where some of the confusion from the article comes from as to how it worth objecting to on a religious basis. 

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You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Does your form of Christianity also eschew the traditional dates for all those Christian holidays, you know, like Easter, Christmas, etc? I mean, those are based on other religious holidays, some of which are even *gasp!* pagan...

2012-12-17 4:27 PM
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The air is thick and still

The vigilantes gather on
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Ignorance and prejudice
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mehaner - 2012-12-17 3:59 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Did you read the article?  Where did it say they were teaching aspects of Hinduism?

Yep, I did read it:

She said while the teacher called it an "opening sequence" the connotation was the same in her mind: Students were learning to worship the sun, which went against her Christian beliefs that only God should be worshipped.

I don't know a lot about the Hindu religion but a quick google nets me this as the first response and there are many more:  (http://anamikas.hubpages.com/hub/Sun-Temples-Worship-Mantras-Hinduism)
Sun worship in India dates back to ancient times. Sun Worship is a ritual followed by thousands of devotees in Hindu Religion. Most Hindus start their day by worshiping the sun God. It is believed that worshiping this God gives energy and good health, which in turn leads to Money and prosperity

 

the anti-yoga mom said that.  the article points out that the yoga teacher doesn't do prayer positions, meditations, etc.  they do the sun salutation because it is a standard part of yoga, but they are not told to worship the sun...

Exactly. There's nothing religious about stretching and deep breathing. My kid's class doesn't even say namiste. If yoga was an affront to Christian beliefs, why is it offered at YMCA's.
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You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Alright, I give up.  What's a Jesus Jack?  Like a jumping jack where your arms only go out to the side?



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You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Does your form of Christianity also eschew the traditional dates for all those Christian holidays, you know, like Easter, Christmas, etc? I mean, those are based on other religious holidays, some of which are even *gasp!* pagan...

Not at all, and like I said I have no problem with Yoga in the schools either.  I was just amused that none of the separation of church and state folks thought anything of it.

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You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Alright, I give up.  What's a Jesus Jack?  Like a jumping jack where your arms only go out to the side?

No idea, i totally made it up.  Trying to think of a clever christian based exercise and my creative skills are limited.

I will warn you about googling on Jesus Jack for a funny picture (I tried).  You get a lot of NSFW pictures of Jesus Jacking something off.

2012-12-17 5:00 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:54 PM
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You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Alright, I give up.  What's a Jesus Jack?  Like a jumping jack where your arms only go out to the side?

No idea, i totally made it up.  Trying to think of a clever christian based exercise and my creative skills are limited.

I will warn you about googling on Jesus Jack for a funny picture (I tried).  You get a lot of NSFW pictures of Jesus Jacking something off.

Heathen!

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JoshR - 2012-12-17 5:00 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 3:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

Alright, I give up.  What's a Jesus Jack?  Like a jumping jack where your arms only go out to the side?

No idea, i totally made it up.  Trying to think of a clever christian based exercise and my creative skills are limited.

I will warn you about googling on Jesus Jack for a funny picture (I tried).  You get a lot of NSFW pictures of Jesus Jacking something off.

Heathen!

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2012-12-17 6:20 PM
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The yoga this article described is to indoctrination of Hinduism as driving a Volkswagen and watching the Olympic torch is to promoting Nazism.

 



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I bet you could do Jesus Jacks with kids at school. You are teaching them about christianity/culture. You aren't making them believe in christianity or stuffing it down their throats. You're not saying that christianity is the only right religion, blah, blah , blah. Now the following day you could talk about another religion. I learned about the Mayans and Incas and all that sun worshipping and human sacrifice stuff in 6th grade. Whats the difference?  History 101. At the primary school I work at we have an annual christmas program where we sing holy night, drummer boy, etc. Nobody has complained in the 10 years its been running.
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tuwood - 2012-12-17 1:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of before. I find running to be spiritualistic, probably others do too and I guess to some degree religious. I think with that in mind we should forbid kids to run in school or any school activities. This should make track, football and basketball interesting. I think one benefit would be a more level playing field for everyone.

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tuwood - 2012-12-17 5:52 PM

I was just amused that none of the separation of church and state folks thought anything of it.

I think have to find the "church" in a bunch of kids doing yoga before before worrying about separating it.

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crusevegas - 2012-12-17 7:45 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-17 1:49 PM

You guys are actually surprising me on this one.  I thought most of you were for separation of church and state no matter what the religion.  But it seems to be more of a separation of Christianity and state with no issues whatsoever in teaching an exercise class rooted in Hinduism beliefs.

How is practicing Yoga and teaching the aspects of Hinduism to kids not a violation of that separation?

If I have a Jesus Jacks class and while the kids are doing their Jesus Jacks they recite how hey can have inner peace through a relationship with Jesus I suspect you'd have issues with that.

Now, all that being said I have no problem at all with them teaching Yoga and I also have no problem with the church being involved with kids and schools.  I'm a big proponent on kids needing more faith in their lives, no matter what form it comes in.  But, I'm one of those whack job religious types so please disregard my opinion. 

You bring up a good point I hadn't thought of before. I find running to be spiritualistic, probably others do too and I guess to some degree religious. I think with that in mind we should forbid kids to run in school or any school activities. This should make track, football and basketball interesting. I think one benefit would be a more level playing field for everyone.

But to some, football is a religion.  So that should be banned too.

2012-12-18 9:55 AM
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I think people can take some things way too far,

However, let me say that I personally know an Indian man (in his 80s today).  He was converted to Christianity in his 20s in India after reading the New Testament.  He is very adamant that Christians should not practice any form of yoga because of its ties to Eastern religion, of which he used to follow.

I can respect that.  It would very insensitive of me to tell him there's nothing wrong with it, when he has far more knowledge about it than I do.

Reminds me that context is extremely important.



2012-12-18 10:26 AM
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joestop74 - 2012-12-18 7:55 AM

I think people can take some things way too far,

However, let me say that I personally know an Indian man (in his 80s today).  He was converted to Christianity in his 20s in India after reading the New Testament.  He is very adamant that Christians should not practice any form of yoga because of its ties to Eastern religion, of which he used to follow.

I can respect that.  It would very insensitive of me to tell him there's nothing wrong with it, when he has far more knowledge about it than I do.

Reminds me that context is extremely important.

It may be that he, with his background, cannot separate the two. For some one who does not have that background, where the non-separateness has never been an issue, the separation is already done.

2012-12-18 10:41 AM
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briderdt - 2012-12-18 8:26 AM
joestop74 - 2012-12-18 7:55 AM

I think people can take some things way too far,

However, let me say that I personally know an Indian man (in his 80s today).  He was converted to Christianity in his 20s in India after reading the New Testament.  He is very adamant that Christians should not practice any form of yoga because of its ties to Eastern religion, of which he used to follow.

I can respect that.  It would very insensitive of me to tell him there's nothing wrong with it, when he has far more knowledge about it than I do.

Reminds me that context is extremely important.

It may be that he, with his background, cannot separate the two. For some one who does not have that background, where the non-separateness has never been an issue, the separation is already done.

Yeah, I think you're right.  What seems harmless to us, may be completely offensive to another person, culture, race, religion, etc.

Not that I necessarily agree with him, but I can understand his feelings.

2012-12-18 10:47 AM
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I have a good friend who thought it would be fun to take a yoga class a few years ago. We were about to sign up when her very religious husband *forbade* her to take yoga for this reason, and we ended up having to take a pilates class instead.

I was (and still am) completely floored that he thought a YMCA yoga class was akin to worshipping other gods (and also that she caved and let him tell her what to do). For the record, this is a guy who also believes that Obama is muslim and wants to kill Christians, so there you go.

2012-12-18 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Warning, Practicing yoga is anti-religious
joestop74 - 2012-12-18 11:41 AM
briderdt - 2012-12-18 8:26 AM
joestop74 - 2012-12-18 7:55 AM

I think people can take some things way too far,

However, let me say that I personally know an Indian man (in his 80s today).  He was converted to Christianity in his 20s in India after reading the New Testament.  He is very adamant that Christians should not practice any form of yoga because of its ties to Eastern religion, of which he used to follow.

I can respect that.  It would very insensitive of me to tell him there's nothing wrong with it, when he has far more knowledge about it than I do.

Reminds me that context is extremely important.

It may be that he, with his background, cannot separate the two. For some one who does not have that background, where the non-separateness has never been an issue, the separation is already done.

Yeah, I think you're right.  What seems harmless to us, may be completely offensive to another person, culture, race, religion, etc.

Not that I necessarily agree with him, but I can understand his feelings.

i have been told numerous times that if i'm only doing yoga for the exercise i'm not doing it right, and that the spiritual aspect is integral to practicing yoga.

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