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Knocked out Week 3, VO2 - 1 ride this morning.  Legs were feeling a little flat during the warm-up and I was a bit concerned, but they really woke up with the 15 sec efforts.  I started the main set at 115% for the first couple and got stronger as the ride went on, and finished the last 12 around 120%.  Finished with 75 TSS for this ride.

During the 15 minute sweet spot interval, my HR was comfortably low, but my legs were starting to feel a little tired.  On a very positive note, ending all of these workouts with 10-15 minute intervals is helping with my "fear" of them.

 



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Knocked out Week 3 Threshold 1 this morning and it went well. Either I was better rested or the workouts are paying off because the RPE felt about the same as last weeks with the max heart rate getting just a touch higher. I consistently pushed the power up from the 3rd through the 5th interval without dropping off and made a nice little "feel good" curve trending up. File is attached for your viewing pleasure.

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So time for me to face the music.  Went to test yesterday...was planning on about 23-24 minutes, which is how long it takes me to climb a route all out.  I figured the CP calculation could adjust for the difference in duration.

Started out well...purposely at around 290 for the first 2 minutes, then slowly increased.  First 6-7 minutes I felt like it would be a good test.  Hard, but nothing out of the ordinary.  AP had climbed just to about 300, which meant that I was holding about 305ish.  I hit the halfway point in the climb at just over 11 minutes and 305 watts AP, which meant my power was climbing into the 310-315 range at the moment...just like I planned.  

Then I just lost focus.  Sweat was pouring into my eyes (I forgot to bring my normal skull cap I wear under my helmet), and there was a moped following me that broke my concentration.  Then all those excuses of why you should quit now came into my mind and within 2 seconds...it happened.  I eased off.  Not because it hurt so bad, but simply mental.

Pretty disgusted, but oh well.  I felt pretty good for those 13 or so minutes and I don't really feel the need to retest.  My guess is that if I totally gutted myself, I would have ended up with around 305-310 for 23 minutes...which is where I expected.

Testing is hard...both physically and mentally.  

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Originally posted by tallytom Got a chance to look at my TSS for week 2. I did Thresh1&2 and sweet spot. I may need some guidance here or perhaps an explanation of why mine is so high. I got my readings from the GC page. FWIW, I didn't feel taxed or overloaded upon the conclusion of any of the rides, not sure how or if that correlates to my high TSS readings. My CP is 222. TH#1- 99, TH#2- 99 SwSpot-125 Thanks, Tom

Did you input your CP (222) into Golden Cheetah?  Something is definitely not right with those numbers....

For what it's worth, both threshold workouts were about an hour long -- to get a TSS of 99 in an hour long workout, you'd basically have to do the entire thing at 222W.  Last week's Threshold 1 workout had 17.5 minutes near threshold....not 60!

I know "they" say you should be able to hold threshold for an hour....but I just can't imagine!  Even 5' threshold intervals start to hurt!




Well Tom's numbers are correct and Nicole is right

Tom did the rides outdoor and went over an hour for each. So he got some extra TSS points there

But he also did ride pretty hard. The normalized power for the workout is 90% of his FTP for 1h10min. Pretty strong.

I suspect his CP is higher than he tested. The fact he tested indoors and is riding outdoors is part of it. The fact he is doing his workouts climbing is part of it. He actually spend more time in Z5&6 than Z4. I am pretty sure his CP is set lower than it really is.
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So time for me to face the music.  Went to test yesterday...was planning on about 23-24 minutes, which is how long it takes me to climb a route all out.  I figured the CP calculation could adjust for the difference in duration.

Started out well...purposely at around 290 for the first 2 minutes, then slowly increased.  First 6-7 minutes I felt like it would be a good test.  Hard, but nothing out of the ordinary.  AP had climbed just to about 300, which meant that I was holding about 305ish.  I hit the halfway point in the climb at just over 11 minutes and 305 watts AP, which meant my power was climbing into the 310-315 range at the moment...just like I planned.  

Then I just lost focus.  Sweat was pouring into my eyes (I forgot to bring my normal skull cap I wear under my helmet), and there was a moped following me that broke my concentration.  Then all those excuses of why you should quit now came into my mind and within 2 seconds...it happened.  I eased off.  Not because it hurt so bad, but simply mental.

Pretty disgusted, but oh well.  I felt pretty good for those 13 or so minutes and I don't really feel the need to retest.  My guess is that if I totally gutted myself, I would have ended up with around 305-310 for 23 minutes...which is where I expected.

Testing is hard...both physically and mentally.  




just because you are riding outdoor in hawaii while it is -30 here, the group has voted, you have to retest.

nice job ! So what does the CP calculaton give with the 5' test ?
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Knocked out Week 3 Threshold 1 this morning and it went well. Either I was better rested or the workouts are paying off because the RPE felt about the same as last weeks with the max heart rate getting just a touch higher. I consistently pushed the power up from the 3rd through the 5th interval without dropping off and made a nice little "feel good" curve trending up. File is attached for your viewing pleasure.

Ron


I found the same. Even if it was higher targets it felt better. I think we are settling in
It seems everyone has their TSS ok. We just need to double check Jaime's


2014-01-21 2:16 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N

So time for me to face the music.  Went to test yesterday...was planning on about 23-24 minutes, which is how long it takes me to climb a route all out.  I figured the CP calculation could adjust for the difference in duration.

Started out well...purposely at around 290 for the first 2 minutes, then slowly increased.  First 6-7 minutes I felt like it would be a good test.  Hard, but nothing out of the ordinary.  AP had climbed just to about 300, which meant that I was holding about 305ish.  I hit the halfway point in the climb at just over 11 minutes and 305 watts AP, which meant my power was climbing into the 310-315 range at the moment...just like I planned.  

Then I just lost focus.  Sweat was pouring into my eyes (I forgot to bring my normal skull cap I wear under my helmet), and there was a moped following me that broke my concentration.  Then all those excuses of why you should quit now came into my mind and within 2 seconds...it happened.  I eased off.  Not because it hurt so bad, but simply mental.

Pretty disgusted, but oh well.  I felt pretty good for those 13 or so minutes and I don't really feel the need to retest.  My guess is that if I totally gutted myself, I would have ended up with around 305-310 for 23 minutes...which is where I expected.

Testing is hard...both physically and mentally.  

just because you are riding outdoor in hawaii while it is -30 here, the group has voted, you have to retest. nice job ! So what does the CP calculaton give with the 5' test ?

Assuming I would have held 305 for 23', it would get me a CP of 288.  Good for this time of the year.  The real benchmarks will come in a little over a month when the TT's start up.

And on a side note...I tested at about 1pm yesterday thinking it would still be fairly cool.  Yesterday was HOT.  It was around 85 degrees.

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Originally posted by tallytom Got a chance to look at my TSS for week 2. I did Thresh1&2 and sweet spot. I may need some guidance here or perhaps an explanation of why mine is so high. I got my readings from the GC page. FWIW, I didn't feel taxed or overloaded upon the conclusion of any of the rides, not sure how or if that correlates to my high TSS readings. My CP is 222. TH#1- 99, TH#2- 99 SwSpot-125 Thanks, Tom

Did you input your CP (222) into Golden Cheetah?  Something is definitely not right with those numbers....

For what it's worth, both threshold workouts were about an hour long -- to get a TSS of 99 in an hour long workout, you'd basically have to do the entire thing at 222W.  Last week's Threshold 1 workout had 17.5 minutes near threshold....not 60!

I know "they" say you should be able to hold threshold for an hour....but I just can't imagine!  Even 5' threshold intervals start to hurt!




Well Tom's numbers are correct and Nicole is right

Tom did the rides outdoor and went over an hour for each. So he got some extra TSS points there

But he also did ride pretty hard. The normalized power for the workout is 90% of his FTP for 1h10min. Pretty strong.

I suspect his CP is higher than he tested. The fact he tested indoors and is riding outdoors is part of it. The fact he is doing his workouts climbing is part of it. He actually spend more time in Z5&6 than Z4. I am pretty sure his CP is set lower than it really is.




Thanks for taking a look Marc. Really want to bring a strong bike to IMCDA and have some legs for the run. After a few IM's and past few years just going either by speed or rpe is why I made the investment in power and your group has really shed some light on getting to know the complexities and perks that come along with it.

Just started running this past Sunday (3 weeks post marathon) and finally got in the pool today after a few months layoff and did 2100--ouch. But am feeling good where this year is going to go.

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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by ligersandtions

Originally posted by tallytom Got a chance to look at my TSS for week 2. I did Thresh1&2 and sweet spot. I may need some guidance here or perhaps an explanation of why mine is so high. I got my readings from the GC page. FWIW, I didn't feel taxed or overloaded upon the conclusion of any of the rides, not sure how or if that correlates to my high TSS readings. My CP is 222. TH#1- 99, TH#2- 99 SwSpot-125 Thanks, Tom

Did you input your CP (222) into Golden Cheetah?  Something is definitely not right with those numbers....

For what it's worth, both threshold workouts were about an hour long -- to get a TSS of 99 in an hour long workout, you'd basically have to do the entire thing at 222W.  Last week's Threshold 1 workout had 17.5 minutes near threshold....not 60!

I know "they" say you should be able to hold threshold for an hour....but I just can't imagine!  Even 5' threshold intervals start to hurt!

Well Tom's numbers are correct and Nicole is right Tom did the rides outdoor and went over an hour for each. So he got some extra TSS points there But he also did ride pretty hard. The normalized power for the workout is 90% of his FTP for 1h10min. Pretty strong. I suspect his CP is higher than he tested. The fact he tested indoors and is riding outdoors is part of it. The fact he is doing his workouts climbing is part of it. He actually spend more time in Z5&6 than Z4. I am pretty sure his CP is set lower than it really is.

I was trying to remember if Tom's testing was done indoors and then subsequent rides done outdoors -- sounds like that was the case, and makes a lot of sense.  Indoors, with less cooling capacity, most peoples' tests results seem to be lower than they would be if the test could be done safely outdoors.

That said, I seem to do much better inside than outside!  It might be mental, but from experience, I know there's no way I should just assume I can do a HIM bike leg at 80% of my indoor FTP -- well, unless I don't plan to run afterward!  I'd really like to find a TT (or other reasonably safe course) to do an outdoor FTP test to get an idea of the difference.  But if I push myself as hard as I do on a 20 minute test on the trainer, I'm going to need someone there to catch me at the end!

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Sorry I screwed up the files last time! I'll try again.

Attached as .gc (xml) and as .tcx

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Sorry I screwed up the files last time! I'll try again.

Attached as .gc (xml) and as .tcx


Are you doing the rides in TR or GC ?

It looks like they are a bit low, not dramatically but a bit. If TR, maybe your FTP is not properly set if you are following the numbers they tell you.

What is your next workout ?

I see a TSS of 62, 83, 44 with a CP of 149 set


Check your 149 is properly set
In tools->options->Athlete->Power

It should look like this with the proper start date


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Finally was able to do WK2 THR1 workout.  Felt like a nice moderate effort, didn't struggle in any way with the 3.5' intervals which had a target of 197W and the 10' interval at 177.  Worked on the cadence range.

Oh yeah, nothing like shifting off the big ring after the 2nd interval and dropping the chain, 2nd drop with this bike, definitely need to get a chain catcher.



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Week 3; Threshold #1 is in the bag.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/433892020

Question. I'm not seeing TSS in GC. w do I get that metric to show on the Summary tab for the workout?
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Week 3; Threshold #1 is in the bag.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/433892020

Question. I'm not seeing TSS in GC. w do I get that metric to show on the Summary tab for the workout?


yes, go to Options -> Metrics and add TSS to the summary
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Finally was able to do WK2 THR1 workout.  Felt like a nice moderate effort, didn't struggle in any way with the 3.5' intervals which had a target of 197W and the 10' interval at 177.  Worked on the cadence range.

Oh yeah, nothing like shifting off the big ring after the 2nd interval and dropping the chain, 2nd drop with this bike, definitely need to get a chain catcher.

Donto - how did you get the selections to show up in the left pane like that?  I'm also wondering how to get rid of a selection if you've done one in error - i.e. clicked in the wrong spots.



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I've always been frustrated that TrainerRoad won't allocate the resources to construct an iPad/iPhone app. I could go through the trouble of re-hooking up my old desktop in the pain cave, network it to our main computer/router and go from there. The key issue is the amount of trouble of doing that when it would be alot simpler to plug an ANT+ adapter into my iPad and go from there.

I stumbled upon CycleOps VirtualTraining app over the weekend. I used it last night for the first time on Theshold #1 Week 3. It worked pretty good. For those unfamiliar it has afew workouts built into it and you can easily build your own workout. I do wish you could build a workout based on %FTP instead of the absolute power levels it seems to want you to input. I've never used trainerroad but it must be similar in that you start the workout and it tracks your metrics while simultaneously telling you your target levels.

It has other cool functionality. It has videos and simulations of routes from around the world. I think its designed to work with CycleOps trainers and will change resistance on their trainers that have that capability. For those like me with only a power meter on a kurt kinetic trainer it states that it will use your power # to calculate a virtual speed on the course. So I think I can ride Alpe d'Huez and it will use my current power level crossed with my weight, grade of course, etc. to compute a speed which I am ascending the mountain. Sounds fun. I hope to try it soon. This seems a lot like Kinomap but unsure if Kinomap has the workout functionality.

The app is free to download and comes with a 14 day trial period. After that you can pay an annual fee or monthly fee ($6). I don't recall the annual fee but assume there must be a discount for paying upfront for 12 months.

Does anyone else have experience with this app?
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I've always been frustrated that TrainerRoad won't allocate the resources to construct an iPad/iPhone app. I could go through the trouble of re-hooking up my old desktop in the pain cave, network it to our main computer/router and go from there. The key issue is the amount of trouble of doing that when it would be alot simpler to plug an ANT+ adapter into my iPad and go from there.

I stumbled upon CycleOps VirtualTraining app over the weekend. I used it last night for the first time on Theshold #1 Week 3. It worked pretty good. For those unfamiliar it has afew workouts built into it and you can easily build your own workout. I do wish you could build a workout based on %FTP instead of the absolute power levels it seems to want you to input. I've never used trainerroad but it must be similar in that you start the workout and it tracks your metrics while simultaneously telling you your target levels.

It has other cool functionality. It has videos and simulations of routes from around the world. I think its designed to work with CycleOps trainers and will change resistance on their trainers that have that capability. For those like me with only a power meter on a kurt kinetic trainer it states that it will use your power # to calculate a virtual speed on the course. So I think I can ride Alpe d'Huez and it will use my current power level crossed with my weight, grade of course, etc. to compute a speed which I am ascending the mountain. Sounds fun. I hope to try it soon. This seems a lot like Kinomap but unsure if Kinomap has the workout functionality.

The app is free to download and comes with a 14 day trial period. After that you can pay an annual fee or monthly fee ($6). I don't recall the annual fee but assume there must be a discount for paying upfront for 12 months.

Does anyone else have experience with this app?


Just saw this in an email from TR.
Update on iOS (iPad/iPhone)
This is our #1 requested feature. We've signed up for an intensive month long iOS training class which starts Feb 24th. I don't have a time line for when we'll get it done, but we're ONLY working on iOS and fixing existing bugs once Feb 24th hits.

So they will be working on an iOS version soon.
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Just out of curiosity, where are people doing the training sessions ?

Golden Cheetah ?
Trainer Road ?
A power meter and head unit ?


I am using GC but with a computrainer you just press the go button and you don't even have to look at the screen. it forces you to a wattage.



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I've been using Trainer Road for a couple of reasons.

1. It seems to pick up the cadence more reliably from the powermeter.
2. I had already paid for the annual subscription so I felt I may as well use it.

After the workouts I download the tcx file and import it into both GC and Garmin Connect.

I'm also planning on setting up a script to back up my GCheetah data directory to a network drive so I can get to that data from anywhere. That will save me from re-downloading the file or manually transferring it to the PC at my desk. The garage PC is not comfortable to work at in nice weather never mind when it's 5 degrees outside and there is limited insulation in the garage.

I used the Garmin 500 as a head unit in parallel a couple of times after installing the PM to make sure it worked consistently but most of the time that is off while I'm on the trainer.

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Just out of curiosity, where are people doing the training sessions ?

Golden Cheetah ?
Trainer Road ?
A power meter and head unit ?


I am using GC but with a computrainer you just press the go button and you don't even have to look at the screen. it forces you to a wattage.




I use my 910xt as my primary data recording device. I then utilize a Wahoo ANT+ dongle to upload the data to my iPad. From there the Wahoo app lets me share it with Garmin Connect, Strava and Training Peaks. I also email the file to myself so it can easily be downloaded to my desktop. From there it is uploaded into WKO+ and GC. I also then upload to BT. Whew....data overload!



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Originally posted by trisuppo

I've always been frustrated that TrainerRoad won't allocate the resources to construct an iPad/iPhone app. I could go through the trouble of re-hooking up my old desktop in the pain cave, network it to our main computer/router and go from there. The key issue is the amount of trouble of doing that when it would be alot simpler to plug an ANT+ adapter into my iPad and go from there.

I stumbled upon CycleOps VirtualTraining app over the weekend. I used it last night for the first time on Theshold #1 Week 3. It worked pretty good. For those unfamiliar it has afew workouts built into it and you can easily build your own workout. I do wish you could build a workout based on %FTP instead of the absolute power levels it seems to want you to input. I've never used trainerroad but it must be similar in that you start the workout and it tracks your metrics while simultaneously telling you your target levels.

It has other cool functionality. It has videos and simulations of routes from around the world. I think its designed to work with CycleOps trainers and will change resistance on their trainers that have that capability. For those like me with only a power meter on a kurt kinetic trainer it states that it will use your power # to calculate a virtual speed on the course. So I think I can ride Alpe d'Huez and it will use my current power level crossed with my weight, grade of course, etc. to compute a speed which I am ascending the mountain. Sounds fun. I hope to try it soon. This seems a lot like Kinomap but unsure if Kinomap has the workout functionality.

The app is free to download and comes with a 14 day trial period. After that you can pay an annual fee or monthly fee ($6). I don't recall the annual fee but assume there must be a discount for paying upfront for 12 months.

Does anyone else have experience with this app?


Just saw this in an email from TR.
Update on iOS (iPad/iPhone)
This is our #1 requested feature. We've signed up for an intensive month long iOS training class which starts Feb 24th. I don't have a time line for when we'll get it done, but we're ONLY working on iOS and fixing existing bugs once Feb 24th hits.

So they will be working on an iOS version soon.


Cool. I like the trainerroad integration with Sufferfest and would like that training capability. The virtual course functionality of Virtual Trainer is compelling for one big reason. My bro-in-law lives in the bay area and eventually I plan on getting out there to ride for a few days. I would love to be able to train on Mt. Diablo prior to going out there and then have a better chance of him watching me ride away on the climb.
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Finally was able to do WK2 THR1 workout.  Felt like a nice moderate effort, didn't struggle in any way with the 3.5' intervals which had a target of 197W and the 10' interval at 177.  Worked on the cadence range.

Oh yeah, nothing like shifting off the big ring after the 2nd interval and dropping the chain, 2nd drop with this bike, definitely need to get a chain catcher.

Donto - how did you get the selections to show up in the left pane like that?  I'm also wondering how to get rid of a selection if you've done one in error - i.e. clicked in the wrong spots.

On the SW top toolbar, select View and its the 2nd option (Show Left Sidebar).  Next, IIRC, when you have it shown and have intervals, select the interval desired and right click and there are options to edit or delete, etc.



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Originally posted by marcag Just out of curiosity, where are people doing the training sessions ? Golden Cheetah ? Trainer Road ? A power meter and head unit ? I am using GC but with a computrainer you just press the go button and you don't even have to look at the screen. it forces you to a wattage.
GC, PC ANT+ mini stick and Garmin GSC10 spd/cad sensor.

I need to get a power meter!

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Originally posted by marcag Just out of curiosity, where are people doing the training sessions ?

Golden Cheetah ?

Trainer Road ?

A power meter and head unit ?

I am using GC but with a computrainer you just press the go button and you don't even have to look at the screen. it forces you to a wattage.

Although I have a subscription to TrainerRoad, I do all of my workouts now in GC.

I'm really impressed with the program and wonder whether I'll continue with TrainerRoad once my subscription expires.

My one complaint though is that GC does not appear to offer the feature of reducing the page to a horizontal bar overlay at the bottom of the screen so you can watch videos, at least I couldn't see this feature.

I'm not a big fan of the video player "chart" feature in GC, so I use an external player.  Does anyone know how to fast forward in the GC video player chart?

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