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 2013-09-05 4:37 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master  9705     Raleigh, NC area |  Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)Originally posted by Asalzwed Hmmmm, I have an interesting issue. Maybe you guys could weigh in on this. Option 1 My plan was to start building up my mileage now through the end of November, running a "B" HM mid October (training right through, no real taper) and then running an "A" HM the beginning of December. Take December easy, keeping running but not a ton of structure and then ramping up into marathon training in January. the "B" race is local, would be totally just for fun, super cheap etc. the "A" race is a tough course, not a PR course, and notoriously bad weather. But it's local and bad weather doesn't scare me. I just realize it's one of those mental strength type of courses
Option 2
My coach, however, suggested I run a HM at the end of October. He thinks I am in a position to PR, or would be by then. I think he wants me to run it to A. PR and B. lots of the team is running it so, it would look good for the team. If that makes sense. Essentially I would just be running the one HM and then I guess just keeping my volume up into December and ramping right into marathon training in January.
What do you guys think? With the Coach's option, is it a local half marathon? Do you enjoy running races with the team or would you prefer to kind of do your own thing? Edited by jmkizer 2013-09-05 4:37 PM |
| 2013-09-05 4:41 PM in reply to: switch |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by switch Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Thinking about recovery: I know that I overpronate and have flat-ish arches. Does anyone have thoughts on strengthening feet and calves and running in a lighter shoe (like the PureCadence) or just correcting as I have been doing (running in Trance). Reading Yanti's article made me think about taking the time to really work on my form and biomechanics instead of going back to what I was doing. I don't imagine a lighter shoe is going to do you any favors. At least not right now, coming off of a stress fracture. Can you point me to Yanti's article BTW? Here's the article (not written by Yanti, but she does get mentioned). If I do go that route, I'd start over running from the complete beginning - like Couch to 5k. Yeah, I'm definitely sticking to my guns on this one. I think one of the biggest things Yanti always pulls from this article is the "Take it Slowly" portion. Notably the part about running barefoot (as in truly barefoot) in the grass as part of your workout. Running on soft surfaces, in general, is also a great place to start. You can probably look into shoe changes at some point. But I think you are going to get a lot further with MORE very easy (and I mean easy for you, not easy in comparison to other people) running, focusing on being light on your feet. What did you doctor say? He said "let's not get ahead of ourselves. Focus on healing and we can talk about it in 3 - 6 weeks." I think my problem is that I'm already bored and it gives me something to do to read all these articles and think about strategies to avoid it in the future. I don't know the limitations of a stress fracture but have you considered aqua jogging? You can most certainly maintain your fitness, even gain some in doing so.Then in 3-6 weeks you can start slowly depending on what your doctor says. It seems to me that racing makes up a large portion of your total volume. That may be a place to start. Either racing less, or getting more training volume in maybe? Definitely agree on racing. I need to do one of the two, probably both. I have a tendency to sign up for races, not be able to train for them as much as I should, and then do the race anyway. Not a good plan. He wants me to wait at least 3 weeks before aqua jogging. Right now, I can swim, but only with a pull buoy. No kicking. He's concerned that I've had this fracture for so long, so he wants to give it a fair amount of healing before I do anything. After that, I will be. There's an aqua jogging class 3 days/week at the gym. 1 or 2 in the afternoon! Depending on how much swimming you think that you'll be able to get in during the next three weeks, you might consider this pull buoy (Aqua Sphere ErgoBuoy Pull Buoy). I got one last year when my leg was acting up and it was good for the long distances of pulling. I got it at Dick's. It would only be worth it if you think you'll use it for longer stuff or if you think that shelling out $20 will motivate you to get to the pool more.
I am a dolt. Can you explain the advantages this pb offers? Just that it straps to you (and also the gray part comes out so it can be made more or less floaty). It made 3000m with a pull buoy seem less daunting to this adult onset swimmer. That is all. |
| 2013-09-05 5:09 PM in reply to: switch |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by switch Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Hmmmm, I have an interesting issue. Maybe you guys could weigh in on this. Option 1 My plan was to start building up my mileage now through the end of November, running a "B" HM mid October (training right through, no real taper) and then running an "A" HM the beginning of December. Take December easy, keeping running but not a ton of structure and then ramping up into marathon training in January. the "B" race is local, would be totally just for fun, super cheap etc. the "A" race is a tough course, not a PR course, and notoriously bad weather. But it's local and bad weather doesn't scare me. I just realize it's one of those mental strength type of courses Option 2 My coach, however, suggested I run a HM at the end of October. He thinks I am in a position to PR, or would be by then. I think he wants me to run it to A. PR and B. lots of the team is running it so, it would look good for the team. If that makes sense. Essentially I would just be running the one HM and then I guess just keeping my volume up into December and ramping right into marathon training in January. What do you guys think? I like option 1 as the type of runs seem more appealing to me, *but* I'm not involved in a team and am not seeking a PR. Having the team look good does make sense, but the weight of that would depend on how invested one is with the team. Nice to be there, like the people, or really trying to work with it to elevate the program more? I'm also not really worried about a PR right now. I attribute a lot of my progress to this team and this coach, so there is a certain amount of loyalty. Although there is no pressure. It's nice to be there as in having a good team showing, having teammates to work with during the run, and having the team show up in a significant way in the top 10 on the male and female side (i imagine) While I may or may not be a top 10 contender, I don't imagine my performance would do anything to elevate the program lol There are some mighty FAST women who will whoop my rear. I'm inclined to go with your coach. A few things might make me go the other way: Holiday stress/food can get a little outta hand in December. Sometimes having a December race is good to keep this stuff in check. If you like to race, two races can be better mentally than one. If you go with the coach's suggestion, but didn't PR, would that hurt you mentally? I can sometimes have a flat period if I don't hit a goal and I sometimes avoid that, if I know I need to be "on " in the period after a race training-wise.
lol, it's so funny how tough I am making this. I don't really care a lot about PRs right now until I get into marathon training. Even then, I realize there are just bad races. Meh.
So, another thing I didn't mention is that the "B" race if I went for option 1 is not USAT certified. Which I don't care, really, since it's a "B" race. Anyway, just out of curiouslity I e-mailed the RD to ask if there was any reason why it wasn't. She just said no reason really, it just wasn't. So I looked into what it would take to get it certified (not much) you just get a local, official certifier to do it. So I look up the local official. Guess who it is? My coach. LOL |
| 2013-09-05 5:18 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 6595  Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by switch Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Asalzwed Hmmmm, I have an interesting issue. Maybe you guys could weigh in on this. Option 1 My plan was to start building up my mileage now through the end of November, running a "B" HM mid October (training right through, no real taper) and then running an "A" HM the beginning of December. Take December easy, keeping running but not a ton of structure and then ramping up into marathon training in January. the "B" race is local, would be totally just for fun, super cheap etc. the "A" race is a tough course, not a PR course, and notoriously bad weather. But it's local and bad weather doesn't scare me. I just realize it's one of those mental strength type of courses Option 2 My coach, however, suggested I run a HM at the end of October. He thinks I am in a position to PR, or would be by then. I think he wants me to run it to A. PR and B. lots of the team is running it so, it would look good for the team. If that makes sense. Essentially I would just be running the one HM and then I guess just keeping my volume up into December and ramping right into marathon training in January. What do you guys think? I like option 1 as the type of runs seem more appealing to me, *but* I'm not involved in a team and am not seeking a PR. Having the team look good does make sense, but the weight of that would depend on how invested one is with the team. Nice to be there, like the people, or really trying to work with it to elevate the program more? I'm also not really worried about a PR right now. I attribute a lot of my progress to this team and this coach, so there is a certain amount of loyalty. Although there is no pressure. It's nice to be there as in having a good team showing, having teammates to work with during the run, and having the team show up in a significant way in the top 10 on the male and female side (i imagine) While I may or may not be a top 10 contender, I don't imagine my performance would do anything to elevate the program lol There are some mighty FAST women who will whoop my rear. I'm inclined to go with your coach. A few things might make me go the other way: Holiday stress/food can get a little outta hand in December. Sometimes having a December race is good to keep this stuff in check. If you like to race, two races can be better mentally than one. If you go with the coach's suggestion, but didn't PR, would that hurt you mentally? I can sometimes have a flat period if I don't hit a goal and I sometimes avoid that, if I know I need to be "on " in the period after a race training-wise.
lol, it's so funny how tough I am making this. I don't really care a lot about PRs right now until I get into marathon training. Even then, I realize there are just bad races. Meh.
So, another thing I didn't mention is that the "B" race if I went for option 1 is not USAT certified. Which I don't care, really, since it's a "B" race. Anyway, just out of curiouslity I e-mailed the RD to ask if there was any reason why it wasn't. She just said no reason really, it just wasn't. So I looked into what it would take to get it certified (not much) you just get a local, official certifier to do it. So I look up the local official. Guess who it is? My coach. LOL And the plot thickens... |
| 2013-09-05 5:51 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Asalzwed Hmmmm, I have an interesting issue. Maybe you guys could weigh in on this. Option 1 My plan was to start building up my mileage now through the end of November, running a "B" HM mid October (training right through, no real taper) and then running an "A" HM the beginning of December. Take December easy, keeping running but not a ton of structure and then ramping up into marathon training in January. the "B" race is local, would be totally just for fun, super cheap etc. the "A" race is a tough course, not a PR course, and notoriously bad weather. But it's local and bad weather doesn't scare me. I just realize it's one of those mental strength type of courses
Option 2
My coach, however, suggested I run a HM at the end of October. He thinks I am in a position to PR, or would be by then. I think he wants me to run it to A. PR and B. lots of the team is running it so, it would look good for the team. If that makes sense. Essentially I would just be running the one HM and then I guess just keeping my volume up into December and ramping right into marathon training in January.
What do you guys think?
With the Coach's option, is it a local half marathon? Do you enjoy running races with the team or would you prefer to kind of do your own thing? I like the idea of doing the one with more team members. I think seeing a particular team or club all decked out in their colors so to speak is pretty cool at a race. Sounds like this coach has a bigger picture in mind....if you did the race of his option in October would you feel recovered enough to do the second race in option 1 when it came up or would it be too soon?/QUOTE] |
| 2013-09-05 6:03 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym. Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often? It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time.
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| 2013-09-05 6:09 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by 4agoodlife So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym. Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often? It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time.
The very, very best way to become a better runner is to run. I think you can use it to warm up if that is what works for you, and it sounds like it really does. But to be clear, they are not like for like. It's a good tool to stay fit, if say, you had an injury or needed some low impact training. |
| 2013-09-05 6:27 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by 4agoodlife So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym. Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often? It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time.
The very, very best way to become a better runner is to run. I think you can use it to warm up if that is what works for you, and it sounds like it really does. But to be clear, they are not like for like. It's a good tool to stay fit, if say, you had an injury or needed some low impact training. Definitely. ^^^ I'll adjust my question a bit... Thinking of muscle use/training, do you think I would be better off using those 10-15 warm up minutes fast walking on the treadmill to loosen my joint ? Or just put it all in a "not running so it doesn't matter" box?
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| 2013-09-05 6:29 PM in reply to: #4723700 |
Extreme Veteran 705 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Hi all, Ran today, it was so nice here in upstate NY! Tonight we are getting a hard freeze! I brought all my basil inside. I love running when it gets cooler! Nancy |
| 2013-09-05 6:31 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by 4agoodlife So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym. Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often? It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time.
The very, very best way to become a better runner is to run. I think you can use it to warm up if that is what works for you, and it sounds like it really does. But to be clear, they are not like for like. It's a good tool to stay fit, if say, you had an injury or needed some low impact training. Definitely. ^^^ I'll adjust my question a bit... Thinking of muscle use/training, do you think I would be better off using those 10-15 warm up minutes fast walking on the treadmill to loosen my joint ? Or just put it all in a "not running so it doesn't matter" box?
Hmmm matter? That's tough. I don't have an answer. I'm sure it matters, to some degree. But whether it's anything worth even mentioning? I don't know. |
| 2013-09-05 6:33 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Asalzwed Hmmmm, I have an interesting issue. Maybe you guys could weigh in on this. Option 1 My plan was to start building up my mileage now through the end of November, running a "B" HM mid October (training right through, no real taper) and then running an "A" HM the beginning of December. Take December easy, keeping running but not a ton of structure and then ramping up into marathon training in January. the "B" race is local, would be totally just for fun, super cheap etc. the "A" race is a tough course, not a PR course, and notoriously bad weather. But it's local and bad weather doesn't scare me. I just realize it's one of those mental strength type of courses
Option 2
My coach, however, suggested I run a HM at the end of October. He thinks I am in a position to PR, or would be by then. I think he wants me to run it to A. PR and B. lots of the team is running it so, it would look good for the team. If that makes sense. Essentially I would just be running the one HM and then I guess just keeping my volume up into December and ramping right into marathon training in January.
What do you guys think? With the Coach's option, is it a local half marathon? Do you enjoy running races with the team or would you prefer to kind of do your own thing? It's not super local, but I think it's an hour + away. So not far. I could take or leave running with a team. It's nice to know you have some real support out there, but to be honest I'd probably get more of that if I raced the local "B" race. |
| 2013-09-05 6:58 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Thinking about recovery: I know that I overpronate and have flat-ish arches. Does anyone have thoughts on strengthening feet and calves and running in a lighter shoe (like the PureCadence) or just correcting as I have been doing (running in Trance). Reading Yanti's article made me think about taking the time to really work on my form and biomechanics instead of going back to what I was doing. I don't imagine a lighter shoe is going to do you any favors. At least not right now, coming off of a stress fracture. Can you point me to Yanti's article BTW? Here's the article (not written by Yanti, but she does get mentioned). If I do go that route, I'd start over running from the complete beginning - like Couch to 5k. Yeah, I'm definitely sticking to my guns on this one. I think one of the biggest things Yanti always pulls from this article is the "Take it Slowly" portion. Notably the part about running barefoot (as in truly barefoot) in the grass as part of your workout. Running on soft surfaces, in general, is also a great place to start. You can probably look into shoe changes at some point. But I think you are going to get a lot further with MORE very easy (and I mean easy for you, not easy in comparison to other people) running, focusing on being light on your feet. What did you doctor say? He said "let's not get ahead of ourselves. Focus on healing and we can talk about it in 3 - 6 weeks." I think my problem is that I'm already bored and it gives me something to do to read all these articles and think about strategies to avoid it in the future. I don't know the limitations of a stress fracture but have you considered aqua jogging? You can most certainly maintain your fitness, even gain some in doing so.Then in 3-6 weeks you can start slowly depending on what your doctor says. It seems to me that racing makes up a large portion of your total volume. That may be a place to start. Either racing less, or getting more training volume in maybe? Definitely agree on racing. I need to do one of the two, probably both. I have a tendency to sign up for races, not be able to train for them as much as I should, and then do the race anyway. Not a good plan. He wants me to wait at least 3 weeks before aqua jogging. Right now, I can swim, but only with a pull buoy. No kicking. He's concerned that I've had this fracture for so long, so he wants to give it a fair amount of healing before I do anything. After that, I will be. There's an aqua jogging class 3 days/week at the gym. 1 or 2 in the afternoon! Depending on how much swimming you think that you'll be able to get in during the next three weeks, you might consider this pull buoy (Aqua Sphere ErgoBuoy Pull Buoy). I got one last year when my leg was acting up and it was good for the long distances of pulling. I got it at Dick's. It would only be worth it if you think you'll use it for longer stuff or if you think that shelling out $20 will motivate you to get to the pool more.
That looks like a floating double cup holder to me! Yep, I'm sure of it! |
| 2013-09-05 7:04 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by 4agoodlife So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym. Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often? It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time.
The very, very best way to become a better runner is to run. I think you can use it to warm up if that is what works for you, and it sounds like it really does. But to be clear, they are not like for like. It's a good tool to stay fit, if say, you had an injury or needed some low impact training. Definitely. ^^^ I'll adjust my question a bit... Thinking of muscle use/training, do you think I would be better off using those 10-15 warm up minutes fast walking on the treadmill to loosen my joint ? Or just put it all in a "not running so it doesn't matter" box? Hmmm matter? That's tough. I don't have an answer. I'm sure it matters, to some degree. But whether it's anything worth even mentioning? I don't know. It is an interesting question. I can think of several reasons why each may be better than the other, but not entirely sure. I'd lean slightly more towards being on the treadmill for the sake of claiming on as they can be hard to get at a gym if it's busier. But before doing that, how have things been progressing? I saw that the knee appreciated it, but is there continued improvement in that? In any way, such as less aching, soreness, or is running improving? Too soon to tell? |
| 2013-09-05 7:17 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Asalzwed Erin, I just posed the elliptical question in SBR utopia this morning--haha, great minds baby! Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by 4agoodlife So I was on the elliptical this morning and thought I should pose this question to those who use a gym. Do you always use a treadmill for your run training? If you use another machine, how much/often? It's obvious that training on the elliptical isn't the same, but how much can I do and have it really be useful? Right now it's usually a 10-15min warm up to help loosen my knee (30-60min total time, so 25-30%). It seems better than walking on treadmill for warming up my joint. Then I do some stretches before getting on the treadmill for jogging. So far my knee is appreciating it, but I don't want to do too much and take away much needed "real" running time.
The very, very best way to become a better runner is to run. I think you can use it to warm up if that is what works for you, and it sounds like it really does. But to be clear, they are not like for like. It's a good tool to stay fit, if say, you had an injury or needed some low impact training. Definitely. ^^^ I'll adjust my question a bit... Thinking of muscle use/training, do you think I would be better off using those 10-15 warm up minutes fast walking on the treadmill to loosen my joint ? Or just put it all in a "not running so it doesn't matter" box?
Hmmm matter? That's tough. I don't have an answer. I'm sure it matters, to some degree. But whether it's anything worth even mentioning? I don't know. Z2 base? The no impact thing is kinda appealing. That and I have one 10 feet from my bed. |
| 2013-09-05 7:20 PM in reply to: blueyedbikergirl |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl i get this. It's hard enough for 2 of us to tip our 85kg (190#) dogs let alone thinking that you could tip a cow.HA! Good to know my alma mater is doing something useful for the world... and destroying epic drunken stories all at the same time.
FYI - cows are NOT comfortable to ride. |
| 2013-09-05 7:21 PM in reply to: Artemis |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by brigby1 Something else I noticed in the article that doesn't seem to be brought up was about outside of running too. Going barefoot a lot of the time in the States may not really be possible, but there are more shoe options. I've been using a couple Merrel Barefoot shoes for some time instead of more traditional thicker soles. They have a nice variety of options for men & women in more lifestyle shoes, in addition to running or training shoes. Jen, where are you coming from with shoes? The PureCadence may be lighter, but wouldn't put them in with racing flats, and that's probably a good thing here. It's also good that you want to learn to do it right. I went with more the approach of sliding over as opposed to completely starting over. That way I could keep running and not be so frustrated by taking such huge steps back. You'll be building up coming off an injury, so it won't be quite the same, but just wanted to put another perspective out there as it would have taken me at least several years of slow work had I tried to go with something much slimmer (much more lightweight than what you're looking at). I guess in the long run, I want to avoid getting injured. I'm not entirely sure why I got another stress fracture. It's most likely because of too much on a not-completely-healed leg. But I don't know. I don't know what the right course of action is. I figure if I want to transition over to a shoe with a lower heel, now is the time to do it. One of my issues is that my calves always feel tight wearing Vibrams or walking barefoot, but I don't have that problem in my running shoes. So, I'm putting stress on the calves and the bones without realizing it. If I transitioned to something like the Cadence with a thinned sole, I wouldn't be able to mask it I'm not entirely sure on the course of action either, but think than the main thing would be to dial it back and progress on the form development some how or other. The intention of bringing up what I did is more of a fit to personality. I did that way so I could keep running and would be ok with progressing more and then dial it back some each time a changed the shoe profile. I would have gone nuts trying to make a big jump with a super slim shoe. I would have had to slow down several minutes a mile and still do a walk/run like 100'/100' for quite awhile to make it work. Others prefers to make the one bigger step and then build more continuously from there. At the moment I'm not sure how much or often you should be doing something to start off with, but in having several things going on there, you'll want to take it really easy for quite awhile. Always feeling like you're leaving a lot on the table each day. Not just by HR or how hard you're breathing, but by how your lower extremities are doing too. Because the muscles and other tissue can be smaller and less developed they won't send out a very strong signal that they're tiring until something is really wrong with them. It takes a little practice to develop a feel for that. |
| 2013-09-05 7:25 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by switch Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Thinking about recovery: I know that I overpronate and have flat-ish arches. Does anyone have thoughts on strengthening feet and calves and running in a lighter shoe (like the PureCadence) or just correcting as I have been doing (running in Trance). Reading Yanti's article made me think about taking the time to really work on my form and biomechanics instead of going back to what I was doing. I don't imagine a lighter shoe is going to do you any favors. At least not right now, coming off of a stress fracture. Can you point me to Yanti's article BTW? Here's the article (not written by Yanti, but she does get mentioned). If I do go that route, I'd start over running from the complete beginning - like Couch to 5k. Yeah, I'm definitely sticking to my guns on this one. I think one of the biggest things Yanti always pulls from this article is the "Take it Slowly" portion. Notably the part about running barefoot (as in truly barefoot) in the grass as part of your workout. Running on soft surfaces, in general, is also a great place to start. You can probably look into shoe changes at some point. But I think you are going to get a lot further with MORE very easy (and I mean easy for you, not easy in comparison to other people) running, focusing on being light on your feet. What did you doctor say? He said "let's not get ahead of ourselves. Focus on healing and we can talk about it in 3 - 6 weeks." I think my problem is that I'm already bored and it gives me something to do to read all these articles and think about strategies to avoid it in the future. I don't know the limitations of a stress fracture but have you considered aqua jogging? You can most certainly maintain your fitness, even gain some in doing so.Then in 3-6 weeks you can start slowly depending on what your doctor says. It seems to me that racing makes up a large portion of your total volume. That may be a place to start. Either racing less, or getting more training volume in maybe? Definitely agree on racing. I need to do one of the two, probably both. I have a tendency to sign up for races, not be able to train for them as much as I should, and then do the race anyway. Not a good plan. He wants me to wait at least 3 weeks before aqua jogging. Right now, I can swim, but only with a pull buoy. No kicking. He's concerned that I've had this fracture for so long, so he wants to give it a fair amount of healing before I do anything. After that, I will be. There's an aqua jogging class 3 days/week at the gym. 1 or 2 in the afternoon! Depending on how much swimming you think that you'll be able to get in during the next three weeks, you might consider this pull buoy (Aqua Sphere ErgoBuoy Pull Buoy). I got one last year when my leg was acting up and it was good for the long distances of pulling. I got it at Dick's. It would only be worth it if you think you'll use it for longer stuff or if you think that shelling out $20 will motivate you to get to the pool more.
I am a dolt. Can you explain the advantages this pb offers? Just that it straps to you (and also the gray part comes out so it can be made more or less floaty). It made 3000m with a pull buoy seem less daunting to this adult onset swimmer. That is all. The float adjustment seems nice, but how have the straps helped with development? Haven't tried one like this, but like the idea of having to hold onto it so that I'm still at least somewhat conscious of what my legs are doing. |
| 2013-09-05 7:46 PM in reply to: QueenZipp |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by QueenZipp Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Asalzwed I was thinking along the same lines as Judi. Hmmmm, I have an interesting issue. Maybe you guys could weigh in on this. Option 1 My plan was to start building up my mileage now through the end of November, running a "B" HM mid October (training right through, no real taper) and then running an "A" HM the beginning of December. Take December easy, keeping running but not a ton of structure and then ramping up into marathon training in January. the "B" race is local, would be totally just for fun, super cheap etc. the "A" race is a tough course, not a PR course, and notoriously bad weather. But it's local and bad weather doesn't scare me. I just realize it's one of those mental strength type of courses
Option 2
My coach, however, suggested I run a HM at the end of October. He thinks I am in a position to PR, or would be by then. I think he wants me to run it to A. PR and B. lots of the team is running it so, it would look good for the team. If that makes sense. Essentially I would just be running the one HM and then I guess just keeping my volume up into December and ramping right into marathon training in January.
What do you guys think?
With the Coach's option, is it a local half marathon? Do you enjoy running races with the team or would you prefer to kind of do your own thing? I like the idea of doing the one with more team members. I think seeing a particular team or club all decked out in their colors so to speak is pretty cool at a race. Sounds like this coach has a bigger picture in mind....if you did the race of his option in October would you feel recovered enough to do the second race in option 1 when it came up or would it be too soon?/QUOTE]Can you substitute the race your coach wants you to do for the mid October HIM, but agree with your coach that for you it is not an A race and you won't be running it for a PR but as a bit of "PR" for the race team? And then do your A HIM at the start of December? You said that you were going to train right through the October race that you had planned, could you still do this if the race was 2 weeks later and you had less time until your A race? (To be honest I really don't even know if this is a plausible option, as I struggle to run 3k twice a week so clearly I am the worst person in the pod to be giving anyone advice on running. But this was my thinking) |
| 2013-09-06 5:15 AM in reply to: StaceyK |
Member 2098 Simsbury, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) **Yawn** morning. |
| 2013-09-06 6:33 AM in reply to: mtnbikerchk |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Good Morning (Evening, Afternoon and Midnight) everyone. I hope all is well. I haven't been much of a contributer lately, work is cutting into my BT time. What is up with that?!? But I have been following along. This weeks words of wisdom are simple. Remember that it isn't the days in your life that truly matter, it is the life in your days. So have yourselves a lively weekend |
| 2013-09-06 6:45 AM in reply to: 0 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by cdban66 Good Morning (Evening, Afternoon and Midnight) everyone. I hope all is well. I haven't been much of a contributer lately, work is cutting into my BT time. What is up with that?!? But I have been following along. This weeks words of wisdom are simple. Remember that it isn't the days in your life that truly matter, it is the life in your days. So have yourselves a lively weekend Nice saying Chris, but this weekend I'm going with: A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants! Edited by amd723 2013-09-06 6:54 AM |
| 2013-09-06 10:19 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by switch Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by Artemis Thinking about recovery: I know that I overpronate and have flat-ish arches. Does anyone have thoughts on strengthening feet and calves and running in a lighter shoe (like the PureCadence) or just correcting as I have been doing (running in Trance). Reading Yanti's article made me think about taking the time to really work on my form and biomechanics instead of going back to what I was doing. I don't imagine a lighter shoe is going to do you any favors. At least not right now, coming off of a stress fracture. Can you point me to Yanti's article BTW? Here's the article (not written by Yanti, but she does get mentioned). If I do go that route, I'd start over running from the complete beginning - like Couch to 5k. Yeah, I'm definitely sticking to my guns on this one. I think one of the biggest things Yanti always pulls from this article is the "Take it Slowly" portion. Notably the part about running barefoot (as in truly barefoot) in the grass as part of your workout. Running on soft surfaces, in general, is also a great place to start. You can probably look into shoe changes at some point. But I think you are going to get a lot further with MORE very easy (and I mean easy for you, not easy in comparison to other people) running, focusing on being light on your feet. What did you doctor say? He said "let's not get ahead of ourselves. Focus on healing and we can talk about it in 3 - 6 weeks." I think my problem is that I'm already bored and it gives me something to do to read all these articles and think about strategies to avoid it in the future. I don't know the limitations of a stress fracture but have you considered aqua jogging? You can most certainly maintain your fitness, even gain some in doing so.Then in 3-6 weeks you can start slowly depending on what your doctor says. It seems to me that racing makes up a large portion of your total volume. That may be a place to start. Either racing less, or getting more training volume in maybe? Definitely agree on racing. I need to do one of the two, probably both. I have a tendency to sign up for races, not be able to train for them as much as I should, and then do the race anyway. Not a good plan. He wants me to wait at least 3 weeks before aqua jogging. Right now, I can swim, but only with a pull buoy. No kicking. He's concerned that I've had this fracture for so long, so he wants to give it a fair amount of healing before I do anything. After that, I will be. There's an aqua jogging class 3 days/week at the gym. 1 or 2 in the afternoon! Depending on how much swimming you think that you'll be able to get in during the next three weeks, you might consider this pull buoy (Aqua Sphere ErgoBuoy Pull Buoy). I got one last year when my leg was acting up and it was good for the long distances of pulling. I got it at Dick's. It would only be worth it if you think you'll use it for longer stuff or if you think that shelling out $20 will motivate you to get to the pool more.
I am a dolt. Can you explain the advantages this pb offers? Just that it straps to you (and also the gray part comes out so it can be made more or less floaty). It made 3000m with a pull buoy seem less daunting to this adult onset swimmer. That is all. Interesting. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to kick at all with that one. But, I have my cute TYR pink one.
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| 2013-09-06 10:26 AM in reply to: Artemis |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Racing Manatees! September 7-8 |
| 2013-09-06 10:31 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Member 2098 Simsbury, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by jmkizer Janyne - BikeMS (both days) We did the OTHER 2 day ride - the Breakaway to the Beach - last year! It was a great ride and SUPER well organized and supported. Have you done the Bern ride before? Have a great time! Can't wait to hear about it  |
| 2013-09-06 10:34 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Go Mike!!! ^^^this does not apply to me; you can't cure stupid. |
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