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Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014--CLOSED (begging & bribes MAY work)
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by JJ-

ANKLE UPDATE - Long Story

I've had several messages asking about my ankle so I thought I would post here.

Some may remember and some may not plus we have several newbies so I'll give a quick history. Back in October I was in the final stages of my Austin 70.3 training and a week before the race started having some pretty significant ankle pain. I originally thought it was because I got new shoes (same make and model) but it turns out that had nothing to do with it. The pain bothered me training the week of the race and during the race but didn't inhibit my performance. Had my personal best race that day. After my race I took the month of November off (except 1 run a week) and most of December off because of being sick and travel. When I started running again the beginning of January the pain was back. I went to a sports medicine / Chiropractor who massaged it and gave me some ankle exercises. It didn't help. I then went to a Orthopedic Surgeon who injected the SubTaler joint with cortisone and Novocain, it didn't help. I then went to an Airrosti specialist. I was very hesitant to do this because it is very very expensive at $250 per visit. However I went for a consultation and the Dr said he could heal me in 3 visits. He did 30 minutes of the most deep, intensive, painful facia release massage I've ever had. Then he had me do some ankle flexibility exercises and strength exercises. The result = the next day I could run for an hour strait with no pain!! I visited him again which he went deeper massage and more intense, the result = I ran Sunday for 90 minutes with no pain!! I've seen him a total of 3 times now and I will see him once more next week before he discharges me.

I currently have no pain when I run and slight soreness after my run. I am expecting to be fully healed after one more visit next week. I'm 17 weeks out from my first Full Ironman in May and 9 weeks out from my next 70.3. My training is in full swing and I'm hitting volume that I've never hit before. I'm really excited about these next few months. I am really putting in the work and can't wait to see how I do in my 70.3 and of course my 140.6 in May.

Thanks for the inspires and messages. You guys get me through these tough situations. Many of you remember when I trained for my first 70.3 a year ago I had some serious IT Band issues that shut down my training for 2 months. I think one of my biggest hurdles is 2 years ago I was 260+ pounds and couldn't walk a mile much less run a mile. Swimming was even more pathetic since I couldn't even make it to the end of the pool without stopping. To put the training that I've put my body through in the last 2 years is great but I have to remember that I'm not used to it and I've got to keep it conservative and keep it smart. Active recovery is my friend.

Anyway long story but that's where I'm at right now


Hi Jonathan,

where was the pain ? I know ankle, but inside, outside, below ? between anke and heel ?
I am currently dealing with achilles problems (insertional) which are very low and around the ankle height, inside and back of leg


On the outside of the ankle below the ankle bone. Specifically the Subtaler Joint. I am 1000% sold on the Airrosti. Check it out and see if there are any docs in your area. They will give you a free consult and let you know if they can fix you or not. They preach staying active which is what I really liked. All my docs prior told me to rest. Well I took 8 weeks off!!! That's plenty of rest Airrosti wants you to continue exercising so they can find the problem and fix it.

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2014-01-22 9:35 AM
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Hiya sweet piglet Manatees.

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We (Mutti, Tina and I) are taking this worse than we did my father's death. I know grief needs no explanation and defies it anyway, though some people may find it odd we are more pained over a dog than a human ... my dad was a tremendous soul who pretty much got to command everyone and everything in his life, for most of it. The dog--she lived only to serve us. She put her entire life and trust in our hands. And she would have stood patrol, guarded the perimeter, warded off strangers, and kept Mutti company no matter how broken down, cancerous-infected, or in pain she was. To the very end she wanted to stand up on her own four legs, and be on the alert, and make sure Mutti was okay.

Those of you who have any knowledge of these things--on a (relatively) minor level, this is a dog that stoically accepted tooth scaling and planing without anesthesia (a very rare specimen indeed), and on a major level, for the last few weeks wound debridement with not a whimper, complaint, or any resistance (somewhere between rare and nonexistent). And this is even among humans to whom you can explain the necessity.

Her tumors were going gangrenous. Her hips, spine, and every joint were severely degraded. You could actually hear loud grinding, creaking, clicking and popping every time she moved, and she strained so hard her muscles would be shaking. It's unbelievable she got around as long as she did. Even in a dog wheelchair, her thoracic spine would have been under tremendous stress, and even her front paws were beginning to curl down (like how old people's arthritic hands curl into claws).

I know I don't need to explain, justify, etc. etc. The deep feeling of guilt is normal and it's not going to go away through reason; just through experience and the process of going through grief.

She was an extraordinary creature, and I guess my endless words are some small way of talking about her and honoring her.




I'm very sorry Yanti
2014-01-22 9:52 AM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by JJ- There are sites out there that will take your Garmin workout and automatically upload to strava and several other sites.
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/12/automatically-training-fitness.h...

Yeah, that article is what got is into this . I've been using https://tapiriik.com/ and liking it.  My only complaint has been that it's too fast sometimes (transfers to strava before I've added comments to the "original" in Garmin Connect).  I'll be excited if/when DailyMile is added (I know some folks there that only log on DM). I was hopeful that this would help Chris with his upload dance. 

Chris, if you have 5 minutes, try Tapiriik and see if you can use your TP account to transfer to Strava.  Apparently not all account types support the use of the API.  I got a free trial of the pro or whatever and set it up.  When the trial expired, they did not yank the API use (yet).  I was just experimenting with it.  Since I have Garmin stuff now, everything is in Garmin Connect.  I also upload to BT and since I know some folks who are Strava addicts, there too.  I was just experimenting with TP.  The main thing that I like over there is the calendar view and with weekly summary.  It's very streamlined whereas the BT calendar is very cluttered.  (I'll try to attach examples of the calendars here).

The main thing that I like about BT, community aside (that's the biggest biggest thing!), is the blogging aspect.  I actually wish there was a useful RSS feed for it.

 





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2014-01-22 9:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014--CLOSED (begging & bribes MAY work)
Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Hiya sweet piglet Manatees.

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We (Mutti, Tina and I) are taking this worse than we did my father's death. I know grief needs no explanation and defies it anyway, though some people may find it odd we are more pained over a dog than a human ... my dad was a tremendous soul who pretty much got to command everyone and everything in his life, for most of it. The dog--she lived only to serve us. She put her entire life and trust in our hands. And she would have stood patrol, guarded the perimeter, warded off strangers, and kept Mutti company no matter how broken down, cancerous-infected, or in pain she was. To the very end she wanted to stand up on her own four legs, and be on the alert, and make sure Mutti was okay.

Those of you who have any knowledge of these things--on a (relatively) minor level, this is a dog that stoically accepted tooth scaling and planing without anesthesia (a very rare specimen indeed), and on a major level, for the last few weeks wound debridement with not a whimper, complaint, or any resistance (somewhere between rare and nonexistent). And this is even among humans to whom you can explain the necessity.

Her tumors were going gangrenous. Her hips, spine, and every joint were severely degraded. You could actually hear loud grinding, creaking, clicking and popping every time she moved, and she strained so hard her muscles would be shaking. It's unbelievable she got around as long as she did. Even in a dog wheelchair, her thoracic spine would have been under tremendous stress, and even her front paws were beginning to curl down (like how old people's arthritic hands curl into claws).

I know I don't need to explain, justify, etc. etc. The deep feeling of guilt is normal and it's not going to go away through reason; just through experience and the process of going through grief.

She was an extraordinary creature, and I guess my endless words are some small way of talking about her and honoring her.

I have had to make this decision too many times; no matter how right it is, it is always awful. Hugs to you all. How is Mutti handling things?
2014-01-22 9:56 AM
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Happy Monday Tuesday Manatees! I had a good but busy weekend. I failed on getting my GoJo done on Sunday what with church and playoffs and all

Yesterday I took DS2 to get a new phone, then we went to my fave tri store where we met a nice young lady just getting in to tri. She was looking at tri suits so the store owner, James, told her to ask me any questions, and she did. Way cool.

Also, DS2 and I registered for the One Run For Boston stage. After doing so I reached out to the women running the stages before and after us so that we could start to communicate/coordinate. Mary, the lady running the stage before us lives in Ohio but will be here visiting when the baton passes through so she is doing a stage her and one in Ohio! Beth, the lady running the stage after us is moving here from Denver and her boyfriend is doing a HIM in Key West this weekend. Lots in common with her, I think we'll meet up for a run before the ORFB.

Now I'm off to unpack boxes in my new cube (in which I have an awesome view of the sunset BTW)

 

Hmm, I have an awesome view of the parking lot and get to watch sex offenders enter the building to register their lovely selves as sex offenders.
2014-01-22 9:56 AM
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Originally posted by JJ- ANKLE UPDATE ...

The result = the next day I could run for an hour strait with no pain!! I visited him again which he went deeper massage and more intense, the result = I ran Sunday for 90 minutes with no pain!! I've seen him a total of 3 times now and I will see him once more next week before he discharges me. I currently have no pain when I run and slight soreness after my run. I am expecting to be fully healed after one more visit next week.

Excellent news!  I'm so glad that your ankle is improving -- it's been a long haul!



2014-01-22 9:57 AM
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Originally posted by JJ- ANKLE UPDATE ...

The result = the next day I could run for an hour strait with no pain!! I visited him again which he went deeper massage and more intense, the result = I ran Sunday for 90 minutes with no pain!! I've seen him a total of 3 times now and I will see him once more next week before he discharges me. I currently have no pain when I run and slight soreness after my run. I am expecting to be fully healed after one more visit next week.

Excellent news!  I'm so glad that your ankle is improving -- it's been a long haul!

Long term injury is so tiresome; I'm happy you are near the end!
2014-01-22 9:59 AM
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Originally posted by amd723
Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by melbo55

I didn't have off yesterday for MLK Day, but thanks to Janus, the latest winter storm, I am half-arsed working from home today.  Technicaly I called off but I intend to work a little bit, ya know, around my trainer ride!   This storm seems like it will be especially nasty, a 'meteorological bomb' as they put it.  We're to get up to a foot of snow, blowing, drifting, blizzard conditions and temps in the single digits.  Looks like Monica and some other manatees are going to get hit with some of this, too!

They can't seem to determine if we are going to get anything here -- maybe some rain, maybe a trace of snow, maybe two inches of snow.  Definitely some cold (Canadians, keep your arctic air!).

Right now it is sunny and 40F out.  The cold and wet is expected to be here in time for my run though!  Oh yeah, and wind.  20-30 mph.  Fun times.

 

It's 65 and sunny right now ( should top out at 75), but by morning we will once again be in the 30s!! If it is that cold for us, I can only imagine how cold some of you manatees will be. Stay warm and keep out of blizzards!

Ugh.  Getting dressed this morning was an exercise in finding the biggest pair of work pants I have and then finding a whole bunch of stuff to layer under them. What I wore to get to work today... Nylons, tights, work pants, wind pants, long socks, camisole, sweater, another sweater, winter coat, ear warmer thingy, toque, faux fur-lined hat.  Oh and 2 pairs of gloves.  

I hate winter.  

Yikes! I could not live where you do as I don't have half the things you wore today!
2014-01-22 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by JJ- There are sites out there that will take your Garmin workout and automatically upload to strava and several other sites.
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/12/automatically-training-fitness.h...

Thanks, I tried tapiriik, but I don't have a premium Training Peaks account, so it was not liking me very much I'll give the others a look through tonight, it seems the next hurdle will be the Timex. Thanks a bunch!

So we need to get you a free trial so that you can set it up.

2014-01-22 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We are thinking of you today.  {{hugs}}

2014-01-22 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by amd723
Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

Originally posted by amd723
Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by melbo55

I didn't have off yesterday for MLK Day, but thanks to Janus, the latest winter storm, I am half-arsed working from home today.  Technicaly I called off but I intend to work a little bit, ya know, around my trainer ride!   This storm seems like it will be especially nasty, a 'meteorological bomb' as they put it.  We're to get up to a foot of snow, blowing, drifting, blizzard conditions and temps in the single digits.  Looks like Monica and some other manatees are going to get hit with some of this, too!

They can't seem to determine if we are going to get anything here -- maybe some rain, maybe a trace of snow, maybe two inches of snow.  Definitely some cold (Canadians, keep your arctic air!).

Right now it is sunny and 40F out.  The cold and wet is expected to be here in time for my run though!  Oh yeah, and wind.  20-30 mph.  Fun times.

 

It's 65 and sunny right now ( should top out at 75), but by morning we will once again be in the 30s!! If it is that cold for us, I can only imagine how cold some of you manatees will be. Stay warm and keep out of blizzards!

Ugh.  Getting dressed this morning was an exercise in finding the biggest pair of work pants I have and then finding a whole bunch of stuff to layer under them. What I wore to get to work today... Nylons, tights, work pants, wind pants, long socks, camisole, sweater, another sweater, winter coat, ear warmer thingy, toque, faux fur-lined hat.  Oh and 2 pairs of gloves.  

I hate winter.  

Yikes! I could not live where you do as I don't have half the things you wore today!

Think of it as a shopping opportunity!



2014-01-22 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Hiya sweet piglet Manatees.

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We (Mutti, Tina and I) are taking this worse than we did my father's death. I know grief needs no explanation and defies it anyway, though some people may find it odd we are more pained over a dog than a human ... my dad was a tremendous soul who pretty much got to command everyone and everything in his life, for most of it. The dog--she lived only to serve us. She put her entire life and trust in our hands. And she would have stood patrol, guarded the perimeter, warded off strangers, and kept Mutti company no matter how broken down, cancerous-infected, or in pain she was. To the very end she wanted to stand up on her own four legs, and be on the alert, and make sure Mutti was okay.

Those of you who have any knowledge of these things--on a (relatively) minor level, this is a dog that stoically accepted tooth scaling and planing without anesthesia (a very rare specimen indeed), and on a major level, for the last few weeks wound debridement with not a whimper, complaint, or any resistance (somewhere between rare and nonexistent). And this is even among humans to whom you can explain the necessity.

Her tumors were going gangrenous. Her hips, spine, and every joint were severely degraded. You could actually hear loud grinding, creaking, clicking and popping every time she moved, and she strained so hard her muscles would be shaking. It's unbelievable she got around as long as she did. Even in a dog wheelchair, her thoracic spine would have been under tremendous stress, and even her front paws were beginning to curl down (like how old people's arthritic hands curl into claws).

I know I don't need to explain, justify, etc. etc. The deep feeling of guilt is normal and it's not going to go away through reason; just through experience and the process of going through grief.

She was an extraordinary creature, and I guess my endless words are some small way of talking about her and honoring her.

The Last Battle

If it should be that I grow frail and weak 
And pain should keep me from my sleep, 
Then will you do what must be done, 
For this -- the last battle -- can't be won. 
You will be sad I understand, 
But don't let grief then stay your hand, 
For on this day, more than the rest, 
Your love and friendship must stand the test. 
We have had so many happy years, 
You wouldn't want me to suffer so. 
When the time comes, please, let me go. 
Take me to where to my needs they'll tend, 
Only, stay with me till the end 
And hold me firm and speak to me 
Until my eyes no longer see. 
I know in time you will agree 
It is a kindness you do to me. 
Although my tail its last has waved, 
From pain and suffering I have been saved. 
Don't grieve that it must be you 
Who has to decide this thing to do; 
We've been so close -- we two -- these years, 
Don't let your heart hold any tears. 

-- Unknown 

It doesn't matter how long they live, it is never long enough.   <Hug>

2014-01-22 10:54 AM
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Yanti, I am at once saddened and find joy in your story. Thank you for being the caring individual you are and treating Dana with the respect and kindness she so deserved. {{{HUGS}}}

2014-01-22 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by bcraht

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Hiya sweet piglet Manatees.

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We (Mutti, Tina and I) are taking this worse than we did my father's death. I know grief needs no explanation and defies it anyway, though some people may find it odd we are more pained over a dog than a human ... my dad was a tremendous soul who pretty much got to command everyone and everything in his life, for most of it. The dog--she lived only to serve us. She put her entire life and trust in our hands. And she would have stood patrol, guarded the perimeter, warded off strangers, and kept Mutti company no matter how broken down, cancerous-infected, or in pain she was. To the very end she wanted to stand up on her own four legs, and be on the alert, and make sure Mutti was okay.

Those of you who have any knowledge of these things--on a (relatively) minor level, this is a dog that stoically accepted tooth scaling and planing without anesthesia (a very rare specimen indeed), and on a major level, for the last few weeks wound debridement with not a whimper, complaint, or any resistance (somewhere between rare and nonexistent). And this is even among humans to whom you can explain the necessity.

Her tumors were going gangrenous. Her hips, spine, and every joint were severely degraded. You could actually hear loud grinding, creaking, clicking and popping every time she moved, and she strained so hard her muscles would be shaking. It's unbelievable she got around as long as she did. Even in a dog wheelchair, her thoracic spine would have been under tremendous stress, and even her front paws were beginning to curl down (like how old people's arthritic hands curl into claws).

I know I don't need to explain, justify, etc. etc. The deep feeling of guilt is normal and it's not going to go away through reason; just through experience and the process of going through grief.

She was an extraordinary creature, and I guess my endless words are some small way of talking about her and honoring her.

The Last Battle

If it should be that I grow frail and weak 
And pain should keep me from my sleep, 
Then will you do what must be done, 
For this -- the last battle -- can't be won. 
You will be sad I understand, 
But don't let grief then stay your hand, 
For on this day, more than the rest, 
Your love and friendship must stand the test. 
We have had so many happy years, 
You wouldn't want me to suffer so. 
When the time comes, please, let me go. 
Take me to where to my needs they'll tend, 
Only, stay with me till the end 
And hold me firm and speak to me 
Until my eyes no longer see. 
I know in time you will agree 
It is a kindness you do to me. 
Although my tail its last has waved, 
From pain and suffering I have been saved. 
Don't grieve that it must be you 
Who has to decide this thing to do; 
We've been so close -- we two -- these years, 
Don't let your heart hold any tears. 

-- Unknown 

It doesn't matter how long they live, it is never long enough.  

 And now I need tissue.

2014-01-22 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by bcraht

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Hiya sweet piglet Manatees.

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We (Mutti, Tina and I) are taking this worse than we did my father's death. I know grief needs no explanation and defies it anyway, though some people may find it odd we are more pained over a dog than a human ... my dad was a tremendous soul who pretty much got to command everyone and everything in his life, for most of it. The dog--she lived only to serve us. She put her entire life and trust in our hands. And she would have stood patrol, guarded the perimeter, warded off strangers, and kept Mutti company no matter how broken down, cancerous-infected, or in pain she was. To the very end she wanted to stand up on her own four legs, and be on the alert, and make sure Mutti was okay.

Those of you who have any knowledge of these things--on a (relatively) minor level, this is a dog that stoically accepted tooth scaling and planing without anesthesia (a very rare specimen indeed), and on a major level, for the last few weeks wound debridement with not a whimper, complaint, or any resistance (somewhere between rare and nonexistent). And this is even among humans to whom you can explain the necessity.

Her tumors were going gangrenous. Her hips, spine, and every joint were severely degraded. You could actually hear loud grinding, creaking, clicking and popping every time she moved, and she strained so hard her muscles would be shaking. It's unbelievable she got around as long as she did. Even in a dog wheelchair, her thoracic spine would have been under tremendous stress, and even her front paws were beginning to curl down (like how old people's arthritic hands curl into claws).

I know I don't need to explain, justify, etc. etc. The deep feeling of guilt is normal and it's not going to go away through reason; just through experience and the process of going through grief.

She was an extraordinary creature, and I guess my endless words are some small way of talking about her and honoring her.

The Last Battle

If it should be that I grow frail and weak 
And pain should keep me from my sleep, 
Then will you do what must be done, 
For this -- the last battle -- can't be won. 
You will be sad I understand, 
But don't let grief then stay your hand, 
For on this day, more than the rest, 
Your love and friendship must stand the test. 
We have had so many happy years, 
You wouldn't want me to suffer so. 
When the time comes, please, let me go. 
Take me to where to my needs they'll tend, 
Only, stay with me till the end 
And hold me firm and speak to me 
Until my eyes no longer see. 
I know in time you will agree 
It is a kindness you do to me. 
Although my tail its last has waved, 
From pain and suffering I have been saved. 
Don't grieve that it must be you 
Who has to decide this thing to do; 
We've been so close -- we two -- these years, 
Don't let your heart hold any tears. 

-- Unknown 

It doesn't matter how long they live, it is never long enough.  

Wow, thanks to both of you for these expressions. We, too, have had to make that decision and it is a difficult one. Like Darren, I sometimes worry about when it will come for the dogs with whom we share our home and our love now. Hopefully it will be a long time coming as they are 5 and 3.

2014-01-22 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by rrrunner

Happy Monday Tuesday Manatees! I had a good but busy weekend. I failed on getting my GoJo done on Sunday what with church and playoffs and all

Yesterday I took DS2 to get a new phone, then we went to my fave tri store where we met a nice young lady just getting in to tri. She was looking at tri suits so the store owner, James, told her to ask me any questions, and she did. Way cool.

Also, DS2 and I registered for the One Run For Boston stage. After doing so I reached out to the women running the stages before and after us so that we could start to communicate/coordinate. Mary, the lady running the stage before us lives in Ohio but will be here visiting when the baton passes through so she is doing a stage her and one in Ohio! Beth, the lady running the stage after us is moving here from Denver and her boyfriend is doing a HIM in Key West this weekend. Lots in common with her, I think we'll meet up for a run before the ORFB.

Now I'm off to unpack boxes in my new cube (in which I have an awesome view of the sunset BTW)

 

Hmm, I have an awesome view of the parking lot and get to watch sex offenders enter the building to register their lovely selves as sex offenders.

One of the things we like about the new spot is we are at the back of the building so our entrance/exit is in the back, incognito!



2014-01-22 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by bcraht

The Last Battle

If it should be that I grow frail and weak 
And pain should keep me from my sleep, 
Then will you do what must be done, 
For this -- the last battle -- can't be won. 
You will be sad I understand, 
But don't let grief then stay your hand, 
For on this day, more than the rest, 
Your love and friendship must stand the test. 
We have had so many happy years, 
You wouldn't want me to suffer so. 
When the time comes, please, let me go. 
Take me to where to my needs they'll tend, 
Only, stay with me till the end 
And hold me firm and speak to me 
Until my eyes no longer see. 
I know in time you will agree 
It is a kindness you do to me. 
Although my tail its last has waved, 
From pain and suffering I have been saved. 
Don't grieve that it must be you 
Who has to decide this thing to do; 
We've been so close -- we two -- these years, 
Don't let your heart hold any tears. 

-- Unknown 

It doesn't matter how long they live, it is never long enough.  

{MELON PRESS}

oboy, my sister's gonna wail ... Posted this to her wall and I know the face-spigots will spout for her as they are for me.

2014-01-22 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by rrrunner

Happy Monday Tuesday Manatees! I had a good but busy weekend. I failed on getting my GoJo done on Sunday what with church and playoffs and all

Yesterday I took DS2 to get a new phone, then we went to my fave tri store where we met a nice young lady just getting in to tri. She was looking at tri suits so the store owner, James, told her to ask me any questions, and she did. Way cool.

Also, DS2 and I registered for the One Run For Boston stage. After doing so I reached out to the women running the stages before and after us so that we could start to communicate/coordinate. Mary, the lady running the stage before us lives in Ohio but will be here visiting when the baton passes through so she is doing a stage her and one in Ohio! Beth, the lady running the stage after us is moving here from Denver and her boyfriend is doing a HIM in Key West this weekend. Lots in common with her, I think we'll meet up for a run before the ORFB.

Now I'm off to unpack boxes in my new cube (in which I have an awesome view of the sunset BTW)

 

Hmm, I have an awesome view of the parking lot and get to watch sex offenders enter the building to register their lovely selves as sex offenders.


Good sniper position?
2014-01-22 11:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014--CLOSED (begging & bribes MAY work)

Originally posted by Richardsdrr
Originally posted by amd723
Originally posted by rrrunner

Happy Monday Tuesday Manatees! I had a good but busy weekend. I failed on getting my GoJo done on Sunday what with church and playoffs and all

Yesterday I took DS2 to get a new phone, then we went to my fave tri store where we met a nice young lady just getting in to tri. She was looking at tri suits so the store owner, James, told her to ask me any questions, and she did. Way cool.

Also, DS2 and I registered for the One Run For Boston stage. After doing so I reached out to the women running the stages before and after us so that we could start to communicate/coordinate. Mary, the lady running the stage before us lives in Ohio but will be here visiting when the baton passes through so she is doing a stage her and one in Ohio! Beth, the lady running the stage after us is moving here from Denver and her boyfriend is doing a HIM in Key West this weekend. Lots in common with her, I think we'll meet up for a run before the ORFB.

Now I'm off to unpack boxes in my new cube (in which I have an awesome view of the sunset BTW)

 

Hmm, I have an awesome view of the parking lot and get to watch sex offenders enter the building to register their lovely selves as sex offenders.
Good sniper position?

Speaking of snipers...funny story

Yesterday evening when I got home from the gym there was a young man sitting in his truck across the street from our house. Not really in front of any house, just sitting there, playing on his phone. I went out a few minutes later to "get the mail" and he was still there, so I got the plate. When DH got home an hour later he was still there so we joked about walking up to his car with one of my tactical flashlights shining on him. Then DS1 joked about shining a laser light on him... from the roof. We got a laugh and when I checked after dinner he was gone. The neighbor might have called the locals, she's kinda the neighborhood watchdog.

2014-01-22 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by bcraht

Originally posted by IndoIronYanti

Hiya sweet piglet Manatees.

As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today. I accept that I am going to feel horrible no matter what for a while, that nothing is going to make me feel better, and that since I was going to feel horrible no matter what decision I made, the one that favored her was the right one.

We (Mutti, Tina and I) are taking this worse than we did my father's death. I know grief needs no explanation and defies it anyway, though some people may find it odd we are more pained over a dog than a human ... my dad was a tremendous soul who pretty much got to command everyone and everything in his life, for most of it. The dog--she lived only to serve us. She put her entire life and trust in our hands. And she would have stood patrol, guarded the perimeter, warded off strangers, and kept Mutti company no matter how broken down, cancerous-infected, or in pain she was. To the very end she wanted to stand up on her own four legs, and be on the alert, and make sure Mutti was okay.

Those of you who have any knowledge of these things--on a (relatively) minor level, this is a dog that stoically accepted tooth scaling and planing without anesthesia (a very rare specimen indeed), and on a major level, for the last few weeks wound debridement with not a whimper, complaint, or any resistance (somewhere between rare and nonexistent). And this is even among humans to whom you can explain the necessity.

Her tumors were going gangrenous. Her hips, spine, and every joint were severely degraded. You could actually hear loud grinding, creaking, clicking and popping every time she moved, and she strained so hard her muscles would be shaking. It's unbelievable she got around as long as she did. Even in a dog wheelchair, her thoracic spine would have been under tremendous stress, and even her front paws were beginning to curl down (like how old people's arthritic hands curl into claws).

I know I don't need to explain, justify, etc. etc. The deep feeling of guilt is normal and it's not going to go away through reason; just through experience and the process of going through grief.

She was an extraordinary creature, and I guess my endless words are some small way of talking about her and honoring her.

The Last Battle

If it should be that I grow frail and weak 
And pain should keep me from my sleep, 
Then will you do what must be done, 
For this -- the last battle -- can't be won. 
You will be sad I understand, 
But don't let grief then stay your hand, 
For on this day, more than the rest, 
Your love and friendship must stand the test. 
We have had so many happy years, 
You wouldn't want me to suffer so. 
When the time comes, please, let me go. 
Take me to where to my needs they'll tend, 
Only, stay with me till the end 
And hold me firm and speak to me 
Until my eyes no longer see. 
I know in time you will agree 
It is a kindness you do to me. 
Although my tail its last has waved, 
From pain and suffering I have been saved. 
Don't grieve that it must be you 
Who has to decide this thing to do; 
We've been so close -- we two -- these years, 
Don't let your heart hold any tears. 

-- Unknown 

It doesn't matter how long they live, it is never long enough.  

 And now I need tissue.

The poem was beautiful and so true, all of it.  Thank you, Kirsten, for posting it.  It was well worth the hidden tears at my desk at work.

2014-01-22 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014--CLOSED (begging & bribes MAY work)

Originally posted by rrrunner

Originally posted by Richardsdrr
Originally posted by amd723
Originally posted by rrrunner

Happy Monday Tuesday Manatees! I had a good but busy weekend. I failed on getting my GoJo done on Sunday what with church and playoffs and all

Yesterday I took DS2 to get a new phone, then we went to my fave tri store where we met a nice young lady just getting in to tri. She was looking at tri suits so the store owner, James, told her to ask me any questions, and she did. Way cool.

Also, DS2 and I registered for the One Run For Boston stage. After doing so I reached out to the women running the stages before and after us so that we could start to communicate/coordinate. Mary, the lady running the stage before us lives in Ohio but will be here visiting when the baton passes through so she is doing a stage her and one in Ohio! Beth, the lady running the stage after us is moving here from Denver and her boyfriend is doing a HIM in Key West this weekend. Lots in common with her, I think we'll meet up for a run before the ORFB.

Now I'm off to unpack boxes in my new cube (in which I have an awesome view of the sunset BTW)

 

Hmm, I have an awesome view of the parking lot and get to watch sex offenders enter the building to register their lovely selves as sex offenders.
Good sniper position?

Speaking of snipers...funny story

Yesterday evening when I got home from the gym there was a young man sitting in his truck across the street from our house. Not really in front of any house, just sitting there, playing on his phone. I went out a few minutes later to "get the mail" and he was still there, so I got the plate. When DH got home an hour later he was still there so we joked about walking up to his car with one of my tactical flashlights shining on him. Then DS1 joked about shining a laser light on him... from the roof. We got a laugh and when I checked after dinner he was gone. The neighbor might have called the locals, she's kinda the neighborhood watchdog.

I like your sense of humor, TJ!  Also it is wise to be cautious/watchful.



2014-01-22 1:47 PM
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As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today.


So sorry.
While nothing will replace her, would a new puppy (in due time) not bring the similar (but never the same) happiness for the next 14 years ?

I struggle with this. On one hand my 10 year old would be great at training a new pup. On the other, it's hard to commit another 10-14 years. But when you read all the great feelings our pets bring out, shouldn't the answer be obvious ?

I really do struggle with this.
2014-01-22 2:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014--CLOSED (begging & bribes MAY work)

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by IndoIronYanti As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today.
So sorry. While nothing will replace her, would a new puppy (in due time) not bring the similar (but never the same) happiness for the next 14 years ? I struggle with this. On one hand my 10 year old would be great at training a new pup. On the other, it's hard to commit another 10-14 years. But when you read all the great feelings our pets bring out, shouldn't the answer be obvious ? I really do struggle with this.

We went through the same struggle 5 years ago when we had to let go of Domieaux, the dalmation that grew up with my boys. Well we did. We went to the shelter and picked up a beautiful, tiny lab/GSH mix. Now she is my bestest running partner and I can't imagine life without her. Then three years ago we adopted another one. He always makes me happy!





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2014-01-22 2:12 PM
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I started writing up the stories of Pedro and Gil. Things seemed to go a bit misty, so I gave up. Our furry family members are just that, family members.  Irreplaceable.

2014-01-22 2:13 PM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by IndoIronYanti As some of you know we had to say goodbye to our beloved working-dog-family-member-pet-extraordinaire Dana today.
So sorry. While nothing will replace her, would a new puppy (in due time) not bring the similar (but never the same) happiness for the next 14 years ? I struggle with this. On one hand my 10 year old would be great at training a new pup. On the other, it's hard to commit another 10-14 years. But when you read all the great feelings our pets bring out, shouldn't the answer be obvious ? I really do struggle with this.

A cat, I think. There just isn't anyone here consistently who would be able to raise/integrate what would be a family dog--the guards are used to working dogs (we have a full-time house staff of 9 ... it's complicated ... I need a Carson and Mrs. Hughes like in Downton Abbey to run the whole circus!), and the maids would feed it, but that's it.

I need to go back and read your bio--sorry--10 year old dog or 10 year old child?

For what it's worth, the answer (for me, a diehard animal lover who used to have her own full-service dog business) IS obvious, but I still really do struggle with this too. If my current menagerie in Bali hadn't come to me by accident ... that is, creatures basically find their way to me, or insist on coming. What I do struggle with is the tremendous, overwhelming need for animals to be rescued and adopted--it's bad enough in the developed world, but here in the Third World, it's truly immense.

 

 

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