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 2013-04-16 10:36 PM in reply to: #4703432 |
Elite  4435   |  Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSEDHow nice. Andrew Messick CEO of Ironman sent an open letter to the Endurance Community expressing shock outrage etc. Went on to say he was running today to show we are stronger than they are (terrorists) I replied to say I too would be running and just be thankful for the day. And he replied back to me personally to say he was glad. That kind of personal touch makes a person. |
| 2013-04-17 5:44 AM in reply to: #4703428 |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED bcraht - 2013-04-17 12:25 PM Hey Krisyen, what's with stealing all of my questions? But I do have another one to add. Seeing how our season is done here do I get my bike serviced now (I can not do this myself) or do I leave it until like September so that is ready for the start of next season? I have had it for a bit over 12 months and have done about 500km mostly on the trainer (I know pathetic). It needs new bar tape cause it has spread on one of the hoods and some dork in manufacturing thought that white bars were a good idea - NOT!Beautiful day here today. Got my run in this AM. My mom asked me to let her dog out for her this afternoon--I usually stop by on my way home from work, but since it was so nice, I came home and rode my bike the 10km over to her place. So now, it is time for Bike Handling 100 (I am not experienced enough for 101 yet!). I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? Not a question, but holy, does my ability to hold my line every get lost over the winter! The trainer just keeps going in a straight line... Edited by StaceyK 2013-04-17 5:48 AM |
| 2013-04-17 7:07 AM in reply to: #4703333 |
Master 2770 Central Kansas | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED ArielLIlB - 2013-04-16 8:45 PM So today at my track session, I ran a mile in 7:46. I was like, whoa, that's fast. Then I thought, holy SHIZZZ, that was Salty's SLOWEST split over the course of running 26.2 miles!!!!! Seriously, holy crap. PS - my point isn't to compare performances, but to think how that felt and then think of doing it or faster for an entire marathon blew my freakin' mind. So, my point is that Salty is a ROCK STAR. Exactly. That is crazy fast. |
| 2013-04-17 7:32 AM in reply to: #4703585 |
Master 6834  Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED KansasMom - 2013-04-17 8:07 AM ArielLIlB - 2013-04-16 8:45 PM So today at my track session, I ran a mile in 7:46. I was like, whoa, that's fast. Then I thought, holy SHIZZZ, that was Salty's SLOWEST split over the course of running 26.2 miles!!!!! Seriously, holy crap. PS - my point isn't to compare performances, but to think how that felt and then think of doing it or faster for an entire marathon blew my freakin' mind. So, my point is that Salty is a ROCK STAR. Exactly. That is crazy fast. Sweet running, great job. |
| 2013-04-17 7:46 AM in reply to: #4703428 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM Beautiful day here today. Got my run in this AM. My mom asked me to let her dog out for her this afternoon--I usually stop by on my way home from work, but since it was so nice, I came home and rode my bike the 10km over to her place. So now, it is time for Bike Handling 100 (I am not experienced enough for 101 yet!). I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? Not a question, but holy, does my ability to hold my line every get lost over the winter! The trainer just keeps going in a straight line... I would listen to Janyne or others that are bike strong, but here are my observations. I can hit the brakes from the drops and am actually more comfortable there then on the hoods. My climbs are short, think bridge, not hill. When we ride in group, the bridges are contested. I stay as low as possible for as long as possible, so the drops there for most of it. Even when I am out of the seat, I'll stay on the drops and hammer. I had a "bike handling class" with a coach last year from our bike club and it was really helpful. She spoke about focus, bottle retrieval, handling, braking, traffic, which shoulder to look over based on your location, etc. So this year I took two 10 mile rides around the neighborhood, with the sole idea being comfort and control. Everything from the class was in my mind. It set me up to be more comfortable in general, which translated to great rides this week, which were the first training rides I have done this year. I really do suggest group rides if possible as a way to become a better bike rider. Being around better and stronger riders has helped me get more comfortable with braking, starting, handling and yes, clipping in and out as well. |
| 2013-04-17 9:00 AM in reply to: #4703428 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. |
| 2013-04-17 9:52 AM in reply to: #4703761 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-17 9:00 AM I don't have nearly the bike experience as Janyne, but her experience is like mine. I don't ride my road bike that often, but when I was fit I was fit so that I could ride comfortably in the drops. Still, I prefer riding on the hoods unless I was descending ( trying to get as aero as possible) or trying to push the pace.bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. |
| 2013-04-17 10:19 AM in reply to: #4686654 |
| Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Sorry to interrupt the various bike-related conversations, but I have a running question. Over the past weekend I was scheduled to do an 11 mile long run, but for various reasons it didn't get run until last night (Tuesday). This coming weekend calls for a 12 mile long run, and my actual half marathon race is the next weekend, 4/28. What should I do about the 12 miler? Do it? Shorten it? As far as how the 11 went, see blog for full deets, but I feel OK today all but my hips (right one especially is painful), causing me to walk a bit like a 90 year old, and some not-fully-developed (no fluid) blisters on my feet. |
| 2013-04-17 10:30 AM in reply to: #4703930 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED melbo55 - 2013-04-17 11:19 AM Sorry to interrupt the various bike-related conversations, but I have a running question. Over the past weekend I was scheduled to do an 11 mile long run, but for various reasons it didn't get run until last night (Tuesday). This coming weekend calls for a 12 mile long run, and my actual half marathon race is the next weekend, 4/28. What should I do about the 12 miler? Do it? Shorten it? I would say run long but not your longest. So... maybe something in the 9-10 mile category. After that, taper (kinda normal early in the week and serious taper starting Wed or Thur). As far as how the 11 went, see blog for full deets, but I feel OK today all but my hips (right one especially is painful), causing me to walk a bit like a 90 year old, and some not-fully-developed (no fluid) blisters on my feet. Sorry about your hips. Are you feeling better today? You know the drill, stretch, roll, epsom salt/baking soda bath, etc. And, of course, listen to your body! |
| 2013-04-17 10:39 AM in reply to: #4703872 |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED amd723 - 2013-04-17 7:52 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 9:00 AM I don't have nearly the bike experience as Janyne, but her experience is like mine. I don't ride my road bike that often, but when I was fit I was fit so that I could ride comfortably in the drops. Still, I prefer riding on the hoods unless I was descending ( trying to get as aero as possible) or trying to push the pace.bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. Ok, thanks to all. I recently got new bars that are 'short and shallow', and I like them. I can definitely get into the drops more easily than my other bars. But I still have to shift my hand slightly to pull the brakes. It is specifically on descents where it comes into play--I get going at a pretty good clip, and I don't feel like I can brake well. It is probably more an issue of getting comfortable descending at speed period. I guess I'll just have to keep riding |
| 2013-04-17 10:41 AM in reply to: #4703979 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED bcraht - 2013-04-17 11:39 AM amd723 - 2013-04-17 7:52 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 9:00 AM I don't have nearly the bike experience as Janyne, but her experience is like mine. I don't ride my road bike that often, but when I was fit I was fit so that I could ride comfortably in the drops. Still, I prefer riding on the hoods unless I was descending ( trying to get as aero as possible) or trying to push the pace.bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. Ok, thanks to all. I recently got new bars that are 'short and shallow', and I like them. I can definitely get into the drops more easily than my other bars. But I still have to shift my hand slightly to pull the brakes. It is specifically on descents where it comes into play--I get going at a pretty good clip, and I don't feel like I can brake well. It is probably more an issue of getting comfortable descending at speed period. I guess I'll just have to keep riding If this is an issue then next time you are at the shop, ask them adjust your brakes. |
| 2013-04-17 10:47 AM in reply to: #4703953 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-17 10:30 AM Ooh, 2 times in a row I get to say I agree with Janyne ! melbo55 - 2013-04-17 11:19 AM Sorry to interrupt the various bike-related conversations, but I have a running question. Over the past weekend I was scheduled to do an 11 mile long run, but for various reasons it didn't get run until last night (Tuesday). This coming weekend calls for a 12 mile long run, and my actual half marathon race is the next weekend, 4/28. What should I do about the 12 miler? Do it? Shorten it? I would say run long but not your longest. So... maybe something in the 9-10 mile category. After that, taper (kinda normal early in the week and serious taper starting Wed or Thur). As far as how the 11 went, see blog for full deets, but I feel OK today all but my hips (right one especially is painful), causing me to walk a bit like a 90 year old, and some not-fully-developed (no fluid) blisters on my feet. Sorry about your hips. Are you feeling better today? You know the drill, stretch, roll, epsom salt/baking soda bath, etc. And, of course, listen to your body! |
| 2013-04-17 10:52 AM in reply to: #4704010 |
| Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED amd723 - 2013-04-17 11:47 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 10:30 AM Ooh, 2 times in a row I get to say I agree with Janyne ! melbo55 - 2013-04-17 11:19 AM Sorry to interrupt the various bike-related conversations, but I have a running question. Over the past weekend I was scheduled to do an 11 mile long run, but for various reasons it didn't get run until last night (Tuesday). This coming weekend calls for a 12 mile long run, and my actual half marathon race is the next weekend, 4/28. What should I do about the 12 miler? Do it? Shorten it? I would say run long but not your longest. So... maybe something in the 9-10 mile category. After that, taper (kinda normal early in the week and serious taper starting Wed or Thur). As far as how the 11 went, see blog for full deets, but I feel OK today all but my hips (right one especially is painful), causing me to walk a bit like a 90 year old, and some not-fully-developed (no fluid) blisters on my feet. Sorry about your hips. Are you feeling better today? You know the drill, stretch, roll, epsom salt/baking soda bath, etc. And, of course, listen to your body! Yes, that Janyne is a wise soul! |
| 2013-04-17 10:56 AM in reply to: #4703988 |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-17 8:41 AM bcraht - 2013-04-17 11:39 AM amd723 - 2013-04-17 7:52 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 9:00 AM I don't have nearly the bike experience as Janyne, but her experience is like mine. I don't ride my road bike that often, but when I was fit I was fit so that I could ride comfortably in the drops. Still, I prefer riding on the hoods unless I was descending ( trying to get as aero as possible) or trying to push the pace.bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. Ok, thanks to all. I recently got new bars that are 'short and shallow', and I like them. I can definitely get into the drops more easily than my other bars. But I still have to shift my hand slightly to pull the brakes. It is specifically on descents where it comes into play--I get going at a pretty good clip, and I don't feel like I can brake well. It is probably more an issue of getting comfortable descending at speed period. I guess I'll just have to keep riding If this is an issue then next time you are at the shop, ask them adjust your brakes. Thanks for that article--I think it may be more of an issue of experience than the machine. My hands reach ok I think, I'll have to double check. I can definitely get on the brakes in the drops, I just have to shift my hands slightly. Judging from the article, that is normal. |
| 2013-04-17 10:56 AM in reply to: #4704025 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED melbo55 - 2013-04-17 10:52 AM That she is, so I should have learned a long time ago to just come in after her posts and say, "what she said" amd723 - 2013-04-17 11:47 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 10:30 AM Ooh, 2 times in a row I get to say I agree with Janyne ! melbo55 - 2013-04-17 11:19 AM Sorry to interrupt the various bike-related conversations, but I have a running question. Over the past weekend I was scheduled to do an 11 mile long run, but for various reasons it didn't get run until last night (Tuesday). This coming weekend calls for a 12 mile long run, and my actual half marathon race is the next weekend, 4/28. What should I do about the 12 miler? Do it? Shorten it? I would say run long but not your longest. So... maybe something in the 9-10 mile category. After that, taper (kinda normal early in the week and serious taper starting Wed or Thur). As far as how the 11 went, see blog for full deets, but I feel OK today all but my hips (right one especially is painful), causing me to walk a bit like a 90 year old, and some not-fully-developed (no fluid) blisters on my feet. Sorry about your hips. Are you feeling better today? You know the drill, stretch, roll, epsom salt/baking soda bath, etc. And, of course, listen to your body! Yes, that Janyne is a wise soul!  Edited by amd723 2013-04-17 10:57 AM |
| 2013-04-17 11:29 AM in reply to: #4703192 |
Member 892 England | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-16 11:56 PM StaceyK - 2013-04-16 6:30 PM So if you have narrowed it down to just these 2 why don't you go back again this weekend and ride just these two and see which one you feel better on, be it because of colour or fit or both combined. I have a Giant Avail 1 which is the women's version of the Defy, being the lower model it has a mixture of Sora and Tiagra components on it. The gearing is Tiagra and while it isn't supa smooth it works well enough for this BOP girl. Maybe if I ever do a HIM I will look at upgrading, but I got to finish studying before I can't even think about that. Come on Stacey! That makes way too much sense! Sounds obvious but the bike shop had neither in stock in my size (extra midget), so i could only test their slightly more exotic bigger brothers which use the same frame but different components and colour schemes. Ultimately i do have to look at price as i will also have to add a few goodies/necessities such as trip comuter and water bottles and poss tri bars so here is the breakdown of actual cost to me including the relevent staff discount. Excluding my add ons. Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra £568 Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up £511 Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up £500 Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra £400 My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?
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| 2013-04-17 11:31 AM in reply to: #4703222 |
Member 892 England | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jobaxas - 2013-04-17 12:25 AM So firstly as part of the MaccaX group I got some stickers for my bike....
cool |
| 2013-04-17 11:32 AM in reply to: #4703223 |
Member 892 England | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED |
| 2013-04-17 11:41 AM in reply to: #4704030 |
Extreme Veteran 536 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED bcraht - 2013-04-17 11:56 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 8:41 AM bcraht - 2013-04-17 11:39 AM amd723 - 2013-04-17 7:52 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 9:00 AM I don't have nearly the bike experience as Janyne, but her experience is like mine. I don't ride my road bike that often, but when I was fit I was fit so that I could ride comfortably in the drops. Still, I prefer riding on the hoods unless I was descending ( trying to get as aero as possible) or trying to push the pace.bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. Ok, thanks to all. I recently got new bars that are 'short and shallow', and I like them. I can definitely get into the drops more easily than my other bars. But I still have to shift my hand slightly to pull the brakes. It is specifically on descents where it comes into play--I get going at a pretty good clip, and I don't feel like I can brake well. It is probably more an issue of getting comfortable descending at speed period. I guess I'll just have to keep riding If this is an issue then next time you are at the shop, ask them adjust your brakes. Thanks for that article--I think it may be more of an issue of experience than the machine. My hands reach ok I think, I'll have to double check. I can definitely get on the brakes in the drops, I just have to shift my hands slightly. Judging from the article, that is normal. You just need more T.I.T.S.!!! |
| 2013-04-17 11:45 AM in reply to: #4704125 |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 9:41 AM bcraht - 2013-04-17 11:56 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 8:41 AM bcraht - 2013-04-17 11:39 AM amd723 - 2013-04-17 7:52 AM jmkizer - 2013-04-17 9:00 AM I don't have nearly the bike experience as Janyne, but her experience is like mine. I don't ride my road bike that often, but when I was fit I was fit so that I could ride comfortably in the drops. Still, I prefer riding on the hoods unless I was descending ( trying to get as aero as possible) or trying to push the pace.bcraht - 2013-04-16 11:25 PM I have realized that I don't spend a ton of time in the drops because I am not confident in my ability to get on the brakes in the drops. So, should I be able to? Or should you only be hitting the brakes from the hoods? I'll only speak about my personal experience here. With my previous road bike, I was not comfortable in the drops. I used them rarely -- pretty much only for races actually. When I was fit for my current bike, they started with the measurements from the crashed one. The fitter was like, "Holy Moly! Can you use your drops at all?!" The new bike is fit to "give me back my drops." I will say that I used my drops quite a bit during the 100k last weekend so I think that the fitter was successful in that. Can I comfortably get to my brakes in the drops. Well... I can reach them but I tend to move to the hoods to brake. This could be because on the tri bike I have to move to the bullhorns to brake so it could be habit. Also, I have done a lot of group riding and you kind of get the hang of to slow down, pull slightly out of line rather than brake or sit more upright instead of braking. It could be that I was getting out of the drops to sit more upright to slow and then brake after that. Yes, you should be able to reach the brakes from the drops and from the hoods. Personally, I brake more from the hoods though. Nice little bike fitter post about handlebars: Behind the Bars And when, exactly, should my hands be where? Are you on the hoods when you climb and the drops when you descend? Are there hard and fast rules? Or whatever is comfy and fast? I don't think that there are any "rules" here. I mostly use them to close a gap/chase or if I am pulling on the flat. Ok, thanks to all. I recently got new bars that are 'short and shallow', and I like them. I can definitely get into the drops more easily than my other bars. But I still have to shift my hand slightly to pull the brakes. It is specifically on descents where it comes into play--I get going at a pretty good clip, and I don't feel like I can brake well. It is probably more an issue of getting comfortable descending at speed period. I guess I'll just have to keep riding If this is an issue then next time you are at the shop, ask them adjust your brakes. Thanks for that article--I think it may be more of an issue of experience than the machine. My hands reach ok I think, I'll have to double check. I can definitely get on the brakes in the drops, I just have to shift my hands slightly. Judging from the article, that is normal. You just need more T.I.T.S.!!! Yes indeedy. Well, who doesn't, really? |
| 2013-04-17 12:13 PM in reply to: #4704105 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:29 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-16 11:56 PM StaceyK - 2013-04-16 6:30 PM So if you have narrowed it down to just these 2 why don't you go back again this weekend and ride just these two and see which one you feel better on, be it because of colour or fit or both combined. I have a Giant Avail 1 which is the women's version of the Defy, being the lower model it has a mixture of Sora and Tiagra components on it. The gearing is Tiagra and while it isn't supa smooth it works well enough for this BOP girl. Maybe if I ever do a HIM I will look at upgrading, but I got to finish studying before I can't even think about that. Come on Stacey! That makes way too much sense! Sounds obvious but the bike shop had neither in stock in my size (extra midget), so i could only test their slightly more exotic bigger brothers which use the same frame but different components and colour schemes. Ultimately i do have to look at price as i will also have to add a few goodies/necessities such as trip comuter and water bottles and poss tri bars so here is the breakdown of actual cost to me including the relevent staff discount. Excluding my add ons. Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra £568 Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up £511 Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up £500 Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra £400 My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?
Frequently the geometry of the models is the same and the frame materials and components are what is different. You want o make sure that the frame is the right fit because that can't be changed. Ask you friend if the geometry is the same on the Defy 1 and Defy 2. Is it the same on the Focus 2.0 and Focus 3.0? If the frame geometry is the same, go back and test ride them again. After all, the Defy 1 and Focus 3.0 are pretty close in cost and have very similar components. We can take up a collection and send you our used water bottles ;-) |
| 2013-04-17 12:16 PM in reply to: #4704108 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:31 PM jobaxas - 2013-04-17 12:25 AM So firstly as part of the MaccaX group I got some stickers for my bike....
cool Should we start referring to your bike as The Stalker?! |
| 2013-04-17 12:26 PM in reply to: #4704195 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-18 12:13 AM ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:29 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-16 11:56 PM StaceyK - 2013-04-16 6:30 PM So if you have narrowed it down to just these 2 why don't you go back again this weekend and ride just these two and see which one you feel better on, be it because of colour or fit or both combined. I have a Giant Avail 1 which is the women's version of the Defy, being the lower model it has a mixture of Sora and Tiagra components on it. The gearing is Tiagra and while it isn't supa smooth it works well enough for this BOP girl. Maybe if I ever do a HIM I will look at upgrading, but I got to finish studying before I can't even think about that. Come on Stacey! That makes way too much sense! Sounds obvious but the bike shop had neither in stock in my size (extra midget), so i could only test their slightly more exotic bigger brothers which use the same frame but different components and colour schemes. Ultimately i do have to look at price as i will also have to add a few goodies/necessities such as trip comuter and water bottles and poss tri bars so here is the breakdown of actual cost to me including the relevent staff discount. Excluding my add ons. Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra £568 Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up £511 Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up £500 Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra £400 My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?
Frequently the geometry of the models is the same and the frame materials and components are what is different. You want o make sure that the frame is the right fit because that can't be changed. Ask you friend if the geometry is the same on the Defy 1 and Defy 2. Is it the same on the Focus 2.0 and Focus 3.0? If the frame geometry is the same, go back and test ride them again. After all, the Defy 1 and Focus 3.0 are pretty close in cost and have very similar components. We can take up a collection and send you our used water bottles ;-) Also, make sure both bikes are set up the exact same way (seat fore/aft and angle, spacers or none, seat height, saddle, pedals, etc.). Test ride and feel mean nothing if you're actually riding two different setups. |
| 2013-04-17 12:41 PM in reply to: #4704200 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-17 1:16 PM ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:31 PM jobaxas - 2013-04-17 12:25 AM So firstly as part of the MaccaX group I got some stickers for my bike....
cool Should we start referring to your bike as The Stalker?! Hard to say, since we don't have a picture of it |
| 2013-04-17 12:43 PM in reply to: #4686654 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Oh hey! Cool page we're on. When will I grow up, you say? Grow ... up ... huh. Must mean something, not sure. |
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