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 2013-09-10 11:28 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Master 10208   Northern IL |  Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPENOriginally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by bzgl40 Originally posted by TankBoySe has now has a frankencrank: SRAM cranks with DA rings that were dremeled out to for the quarq.... Pure awesome right there I didn't have to Dremel, but did use DA TT rings on the SRAM crank (with Quarq) Kudos Ben for the most subtle BDB of the week! For the mere mortals in the world that ride a 110mm BCD compact, you need a dremel. At least for the (now discontinued) Cinqo Saturn 975. I am sitting here looking at my 4th (3rd warranty replacement) quarq, and you DO have me wondering. The housing is completely different on the Riken. I wonder if 110mm BCD DA rings will fit the new quarqs with no modification? Ah, so you have the compact whereas I have a standard. (BDB #2? |
| 2013-09-11 12:15 AM in reply to: axteraa |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by axteraa 3 x 10' on the trainer early this morning and then 3 x 1200m @ I pace at the track over lunch. I may need a nap at my desk this afternoon. This leads quite well into something I was trying to wrap my head around earlier. I remember Shane posting an article before on training impact (using horses as the case study). If I recall correctly, the basic premise is that you should have hard days and you should have easy days - but mixing hard and easy into the same day, or essentially making your easy day harder, and repeating over and over again is going to lead to trouble. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this. The reason I was thinking about this, is because I'm trying to ramp up my running following the BarryP base plan. All the running is supposed to be easy at this stage, but the easiest should be the shorter runs done at recovery pace. In my mind it would seem to make sense to add in bike/swim harder workouts to these days - but that goes against my understanding of the previous article. So, do you guys separate out harder days/easier days, or do you mix hard and easy together? In the horse study you're thinking of, performance flattened out when they added on to the easy days, but it kept on increasing when the hard days became harder and easy stayed easy. The harder work needed to be spaced out farther to allow for the developments to take place. Doing hard work every day wasn't leaving enough time for the adaptions to occur. They only recovered just enough to do it again. What Arend is doing is hard work in two things, but it won't necessarily be *that* hard depending on just how much he pushes himself for these. Arend, you said I-pace for the run, but how hard are the bike intervals? This looks very do-able (yet still challenging) if the bike intervals are are in say sweet spot to threshold territory. That's exactly right and your description is how I would describe it - challenging but do-able. The bike intervals were 2 x 10' just below threshold (like 98%) and then another 10' @ 83% That makes sense. Work is being done up at a hard level, but the duration isn't tremendously long. You're not burying yourself to complete it. 20 minutes of threshold work on the bike plus a solid tempo, and almost 15 minutes of VO2 work for the run. If you were going for 4-5 of the bike intervals at the hard level or 5-6 of the run intervals, each of those on their own would be quite enough hard work for the day. Then the other would likely have been done at an easier level. |
| 2013-09-11 1:51 AM in reply to: TankBoy |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by TankBoy Relative to the long run discussion, obviously everyone has to figure out what works for them. If you have never or rarely run a marathon, then it may be hugely important to take the recovery hit for the pure psychological benefit it gives you. If on the other hand you have lots and lots of long course experience, the value may not be worth the cost. Along that line of thinking, I have really come to wonder why folks with lots of experience still do their long swim, bikes, and runs based on distance and not time. For example, I cap my long runs at 2.5 hours. Beyond that, I have found that (for me) the recovery cost is too high. That means that the distance swing between my long runs this season has been 14 miles on the low end and a little over 18 miles on the high end. Both runs were at the exact same effort, TSS, etc. should I have run longer on the hilly trail run, or shorter on on the flat road run? I am reasonably sure my feet hit the ground the same number of times on both runs, and isn't that really what long runs are all about? Next, if you compare most of our running to elites, none of them are out running 3.5~4+ hours that it takes many/most age groupers to run 22+ miles on IM training legs. They are actually doing their "long" runs in the 2~2.5 hour range. and this is for folks that are regularly running 70~120 mpw. face it: most of us are lucky if we max out at 50mpw during our IM build. Finally, you have to figure that a lot of run plans are built off traditional marathon plans which tends to discount the collateral benefit of the other stuff you are doing (ie: swimming and biking). It is a mistake to think only of the negative impact these other activities have on each other, instead, what are the benefits they provide when orchestrated in tandem? That is why we are triathletes, right? We believe in the collateral benefits of each sub-discipline and structure our training accordingly. For example, my swimming is structured such that it not only makes me a better swimmer, it also makes me a better runner as well. Rusty...I'm totally with you on this. This year I have really put a lot less emphasis on my long run and just focused on overall run mileage. IOW focusing on higher volume during the mid week and not pushing the long run too long to avoid high recovery costs. I will say though that you can't really compare an elite runner who is capping their long runs at 2.5 hours to your normal AG athlete. Kenyans can read a newspaper while doing their long runs and in 2.5 hours they'll run 22+ miles. I mean, if you just do the math for an elite that is running 120 mpw, that's an average of 17 miles a day. Granted they most likely break some of their mileage up into double runs per day, but they are doing 20+ mile long runs. It's just that they can do it in 2.5 hours or less, and the recovery costs for them are probably less than what a 15-17 mile run would do to us mere mortals. Another thing to consider is while most people should cap their long runs at 2.5-3 hours to avoid high recovery costs, if we are training for an open marathon with a 4.5-5 hour goal...then you can understand why some people may extend their long runs to 3+ hours (which may only be 18 miles or less) to gain some confidence. Race distances are finite, and don't get shorter just because we're less fit than others. But in general, if I was advising an beginner through their first marathon, I would try to convince them that the long run doesn't matter and just trust the overall mileage they are doing. It's usually a tough sell though. |
| 2013-09-11 5:42 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 2912  ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by brigby1 I know, I Know. I am worthless and weak! Ah, so you have the compact whereas I have a standard. (BDB #2?  |
| 2013-09-11 6:06 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by TankBoy Relative to the long run discussion, obviously everyone has to figure out what works for them. If you have never or rarely run a marathon, then it may be hugely important to take the recovery hit for the pure psychological benefit it gives you. If on the other hand you have lots and lots of long course experience, the value may not be worth the cost. Along that line of thinking, I have really come to wonder why folks with lots of experience still do their long swim, bikes, and runs based on distance and not time. For example, I cap my long runs at 2.5 hours. Beyond that, I have found that (for me) the recovery cost is too high. That means that the distance swing between my long runs this season has been 14 miles on the low end and a little over 18 miles on the high end. Both runs were at the exact same effort, TSS, etc. should I have run longer on the hilly trail run, or shorter on on the flat road run? I am reasonably sure my feet hit the ground the same number of times on both runs, and isn't that really what long runs are all about? Next, if you compare most of our running to elites, none of them are out running 3.5~4+ hours that it takes many/most age groupers to run 22+ miles on IM training legs. They are actually doing their "long" runs in the 2~2.5 hour range. and this is for folks that are regularly running 70~120 mpw. face it: most of us are lucky if we max out at 50mpw during our IM build. Finally, you have to figure that a lot of run plans are built off traditional marathon plans which tends to discount the collateral benefit of the other stuff you are doing (ie: swimming and biking). It is a mistake to think only of the negative impact these other activities have on each other, instead, what are the benefits they provide when orchestrated in tandem? That is why we are triathletes, right? We believe in the collateral benefits of each sub-discipline and structure our training accordingly. For example, my swimming is structured such that it not only makes me a better swimmer, it also makes me a better runner as well. Rusty...I'm totally with you on this. This year I have really put a lot less emphasis on my long run and just focused on overall run mileage. IOW focusing on higher volume during the mid week and not pushing the long run too long to avoid high recovery costs. I will say though that you can't really compare an elite runner who is capping their long runs at 2.5 hours to your normal AG athlete. Kenyans can read a newspaper while doing their long runs and in 2.5 hours they'll run 22+ miles. I mean, if you just do the math for an elite that is running 120 mpw, that's an average of 17 miles a day. Granted they most likely break some of their mileage up into double runs per day, but they are doing 20+ mile long runs. It's just that they can do it in 2.5 hours or less, and the recovery costs for them are probably less than what a 15-17 mile run would do to us mere mortals. Another thing to consider is while most people should cap their long runs at 2.5-3 hours to avoid high recovery costs, if we are training for an open marathon with a 4.5-5 hour goal...then you can understand why some people may extend their long runs to 3+ hours (which may only be 18 miles or less) to gain some confidence. Race distances are finite, and don't get shorter just because we're less fit than others. But in general, if I was advising an beginner through their first marathon, I would try to convince them that the long run doesn't matter and just trust the overall mileage they are doing. It's usually a tough sell though. oh, yes I agree - that is what I was trying to say as well. What meant by offering that extreme is that we get caught comparing mileage to others. if we believe that we can benefit from modeling our training after those that are faster than us we would at least be better off comparing time and effort (not mileage), particularly on long runs. And I am historically one of the worst offenders when it comes to running too hard on my easy days and therefore not hard enough on my hard days. On my next long run I am going to take a news paper! |
| 2013-09-11 6:14 AM in reply to: spudone |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by spudone Not really related to the "big day" stuff, but I've always been curious why it is that people do their long run on Sunday after their long bike on Saturday. I've always set my schedule up to do my long run on Saturday (when my legs aren't fatigued from a long ride) and my long bike on Sunday. I feel like the injury potential is decreased setting up a schedule this way. I imagine people do it the other way to train their legs to run well while fatigued....but I guess I'm not sure, as many people also advocate not doing bricks with long runs because there's no benefit to running on overly fatigued legs on a normal (non-race) day. Maybe I'm missing something -- anyone care to enlighten me if there's a benefit to doing the long ride Saturday and long rund Sunday? I actually don't have a problem either way. It usually comes down to the weather. If it's raining Saturday, I'll run and hope it doesn't rain on Sunday when I do the bike. If it's sunny, I bike while I can. Seattle...
Ha, having lived in Portland I totally get that. My bike/run was dictated by which day was looking the best to bike on |
| 2013-09-11 6:18 AM in reply to: TankBoy |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by TankBoy Relative to the long run discussion, obviously everyone has to figure out what works for them. If you have never or rarely run a marathon, then it may be hugely important to take the recovery hit for the pure psychological benefit it gives you. If on the other hand you have lots and lots of long course experience, the value may not be worth the cost. Along that line of thinking, I have really come to wonder why folks with lots of experience still do their long swim, bikes, and runs based on distance and not time. For example, I cap my long runs at 2.5 hours. Beyond that, I have found that (for me) the recovery cost is too high. That means that the distance swing between my long runs this season has been 14 miles on the low end and a little over 18 miles on the high end. Both runs were at the exact same effort, TSS, etc. should I have run longer on the hilly trail run, or shorter on on the flat road run? I am reasonably sure my feet hit the ground the same number of times on both runs, and isn't that really what long runs are all about? Next, if you compare most of our running to elites, none of them are out running 3.5~4+ hours that it takes many/most age groupers to run 22+ miles on IM training legs. They are actually doing their "long" runs in the 2~2.5 hour range. and this is for folks that are regularly running 70~120 mpw. face it: most of us are lucky if we max out at 50mpw during our IM build. Finally, you have to figure that a lot of run plans are built off traditional marathon plans which tends to discount the collateral benefit of the other stuff you are doing (ie: swimming and biking). It is a mistake to think only of the negative impact these other activities have on each other, instead, what are the benefits they provide when orchestrated in tandem? That is why we are triathletes, right? We believe in the collateral benefits of each sub-discipline and structure our training accordingly. For example, my swimming is structured such that it not only makes me a better swimmer, it also makes me a better runner as well. Rusty...I'm totally with you on this. This year I have really put a lot less emphasis on my long run and just focused on overall run mileage. IOW focusing on higher volume during the mid week and not pushing the long run too long to avoid high recovery costs. I will say though that you can't really compare an elite runner who is capping their long runs at 2.5 hours to your normal AG athlete. Kenyans can read a newspaper while doing their long runs and in 2.5 hours they'll run 22+ miles. I mean, if you just do the math for an elite that is running 120 mpw, that's an average of 17 miles a day. Granted they most likely break some of their mileage up into double runs per day, but they are doing 20+ mile long runs. It's just that they can do it in 2.5 hours or less, and the recovery costs for them are probably less than what a 15-17 mile run would do to us mere mortals. Another thing to consider is while most people should cap their long runs at 2.5-3 hours to avoid high recovery costs, if we are training for an open marathon with a 4.5-5 hour goal...then you can understand why some people may extend their long runs to 3+ hours (which may only be 18 miles or less) to gain some confidence. Race distances are finite, and don't get shorter just because we're less fit than others. But in general, if I was advising an beginner through their first marathon, I would try to convince them that the long run doesn't matter and just trust the overall mileage they are doing. It's usually a tough sell though. oh, yes I agree - that is what I was trying to say as well. What meant by offering that extreme is that we get caught comparing mileage to others. if we believe that we can benefit from modeling our training after those that are faster than us we would at least be better off comparing time and effort (not mileage), particularly on long runs. And I am historically one of the worst offenders when it comes to running too hard on my easy days and therefore not hard enough on my hard days. On my next long run I am going to take a news paper! I have always said that the only ones who think you should cap a long run for marathon training at a certain number of hours are the fast runners. If I did that I would never be prepped for a marathon. And given that I actually train for that duration of a run I am betting my recover is no worse then someone who caps it at 2.5. I train for 3+, you train for 2.5, body adapts to each level of training. The one thing I have learned over the years though is just how stinking important it is for all the other miles to support that long run, no matter where you cap the thing at |
| 2013-09-11 6:29 AM in reply to: ChrisM |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by ChrisM This off season, or maybe before Miami, I am planning on getting a new bike. The stack and reach on the current bike is SO MUCH smaller than what the fitter came up with, I am surprised I've been able to ride it. I have several questions if anyone has any input on them. 1. I had my fitter put together a list of frames that would work. Initially was looking at BMC/Cervelo, but finding the color I want, and the frame I want (would need an old geometry P3, for example), is a hassle. Two thoughts..... DI2 is the best thing ever. I know, you will be sceptical, but once you've ridden DI2 on a tri bike, you would never go back. I am surprised it's an extra $1400. For me, next bike, I think I am going to buy a used frame and have it painted. I see some of the stuff that comes out of a bike shop here and WOW! What stack and reach are you looking for ? |
| 2013-09-11 7:32 AM in reply to: bzgl40 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by bzgl40 Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by TankBoy Relative to the long run discussion, obviously everyone has to figure out what works for them. If you have never or rarely run a marathon, then it may be hugely important to take the recovery hit for the pure psychological benefit it gives you. If on the other hand you have lots and lots of long course experience, the value may not be worth the cost. Along that line of thinking, I have really come to wonder why folks with lots of experience still do their long swim, bikes, and runs based on distance and not time. For example, I cap my long runs at 2.5 hours. Beyond that, I have found that (for me) the recovery cost is too high. That means that the distance swing between my long runs this season has been 14 miles on the low end and a little over 18 miles on the high end. Both runs were at the exact same effort, TSS, etc. should I have run longer on the hilly trail run, or shorter on on the flat road run? I am reasonably sure my feet hit the ground the same number of times on both runs, and isn't that really what long runs are all about? Next, if you compare most of our running to elites, none of them are out running 3.5~4+ hours that it takes many/most age groupers to run 22+ miles on IM training legs. They are actually doing their "long" runs in the 2~2.5 hour range. and this is for folks that are regularly running 70~120 mpw. face it: most of us are lucky if we max out at 50mpw during our IM build. Finally, you have to figure that a lot of run plans are built off traditional marathon plans which tends to discount the collateral benefit of the other stuff you are doing (ie: swimming and biking). It is a mistake to think only of the negative impact these other activities have on each other, instead, what are the benefits they provide when orchestrated in tandem? That is why we are triathletes, right? We believe in the collateral benefits of each sub-discipline and structure our training accordingly. For example, my swimming is structured such that it not only makes me a better swimmer, it also makes me a better runner as well. Rusty...I'm totally with you on this. This year I have really put a lot less emphasis on my long run and just focused on overall run mileage. IOW focusing on higher volume during the mid week and not pushing the long run too long to avoid high recovery costs. I will say though that you can't really compare an elite runner who is capping their long runs at 2.5 hours to your normal AG athlete. Kenyans can read a newspaper while doing their long runs and in 2.5 hours they'll run 22+ miles. I mean, if you just do the math for an elite that is running 120 mpw, that's an average of 17 miles a day. Granted they most likely break some of their mileage up into double runs per day, but they are doing 20+ mile long runs. It's just that they can do it in 2.5 hours or less, and the recovery costs for them are probably less than what a 15-17 mile run would do to us mere mortals. Another thing to consider is while most people should cap their long runs at 2.5-3 hours to avoid high recovery costs, if we are training for an open marathon with a 4.5-5 hour goal...then you can understand why some people may extend their long runs to 3+ hours (which may only be 18 miles or less) to gain some confidence. Race distances are finite, and don't get shorter just because we're less fit than others. But in general, if I was advising an beginner through their first marathon, I would try to convince them that the long run doesn't matter and just trust the overall mileage they are doing. It's usually a tough sell though. oh, yes I agree - that is what I was trying to say as well. What meant by offering that extreme is that we get caught comparing mileage to others. if we believe that we can benefit from modeling our training after those that are faster than us we would at least be better off comparing time and effort (not mileage), particularly on long runs. And I am historically one of the worst offenders when it comes to running too hard on my easy days and therefore not hard enough on my hard days. On my next long run I am going to take a news paper! I have always said that the only ones who think you should cap a long run for marathon training at a certain number of hours are the fast runners. If I did that I would never be prepped for a marathon. And given that I actually train for that duration of a run I am betting my recover is no worse then someone who caps it at 2.5. I train for 3+, you train for 2.5, body adapts to each level of training. The one thing I have learned over the years though is just how stinking important it is for all the other miles to support that long run, no matter where you cap the thing at Would you say the same thing for an IM run as for an open Marathon? I don't really have an exact answer to it, but do think that the long run should be taken into context of the entire running program building up to the event. A thought is that someone who is not as fast or is not putting in as many miles may want to consider more of an ultra style build, where the long run may not be building up every single week like we tend to do. That mileage is broken up some on the intermittent weeks. |
| 2013-09-11 7:35 AM in reply to: marcag |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by ChrisM Two thoughts..... DI2 is the best thing ever. I know, you will be sceptical, but once you've ridden DI2 on a tri bike, you would never go back. I am surprised it's an extra $1400. For me, next bike, I think I am going to buy a used frame and have it painted. I see some of the stuff that comes out of a bike shop here and WOW! What stack and reach are you looking for ? This off season, or maybe before Miami, I am planning on getting a new bike. The stack and reach on the current bike is SO MUCH smaller than what the fitter came up with, I am surprised I've been able to ride it. I have several questions if anyone has any input on them. 1. I had my fitter put together a list of frames that would work. Initially was looking at BMC/Cervelo, but finding the color I want, and the frame I want (would need an old geometry P3, for example), is a hassle. the Ultegra Di2 option is a $1400 premium over mechanical ultegra, which is basically $2500. A bit over my budget, but may make the leap if it's just the Most Amazing Thing Ever. Because of that I don't want to try Di2 until I'm in a position to get it. I'm quite sure I'd love it. How much could one expect for a paint job? Very wide open, I know. |
| 2013-09-11 8:36 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Elite 3779  Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN My brain is going to explode trying to figure out what will work best for me. As someone who has never run more than 25km (and that was over 2 years ago) I think there will be value in doing some slightly longer runs - around 22miles - simply because I have no experience at that distance. But, I'm jumping ahead. Right now the focus is just on slowly increasing my mileage so I have some type of base before starting an actual program. |
| 2013-09-11 8:50 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by brigby1 [ Would you say the same thing for an IM run as for an open Marathon? I don't really have an exact answer to it, but do think that the long run should be taken into context of the entire running program building up to the event. A thought is that someone who is not as fast or is not putting in as many miles may want to consider more of an ultra style build, where the long run may not be building up every single week like we tend to do. That mileage is broken up some on the intermittent weeks. I would still go by miles if I was training for a IM but I would cap it at probably 16 mile based on what I have read/observed. That for me would be a 3 hour run. At least that is what my gut tells me, and probably all I'd ever have time for anyways. To me the bike miles would just be way more important to get in. For any marathon I have trained for I have built to 16, stick there for a bit, then I start alternating a build to my 18/20 mile runs with alternating weeks at 16. |
| 2013-09-11 8:54 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by brigby1 Because of that I don't want to try Di2 until I'm in a position to get it. I'm quite sure I'd love it. How much could one expect for a paint job? Very wide open, I know. I saw a basic black, kind of mat, with some highlights they did for $400 and wow, it was stealthish but really really nice. Used + paint job is probably not much cheaper than new, but it looked a lot nicer than the new color scheme of any bike I have seen. |
| 2013-09-11 8:54 AM in reply to: bzgl40 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by bzgl40 Originally posted by brigby1 [ Would you say the same thing for an IM run as for an open Marathon? I don't really have an exact answer to it, but do think that the long run should be taken into context of the entire running program building up to the event. A thought is that someone who is not as fast or is not putting in as many miles may want to consider more of an ultra style build, where the long run may not be building up every single week like we tend to do. That mileage is broken up some on the intermittent weeks. I would still go by miles if I was training for a IM but I would cap it at probably 16 mile based on what I have read/observed. That for me would be a 3 hour run. At least that is what my gut tells me, and probably all I'd ever have time for anyways. To me the bike miles would just be way more important to get in. For any marathon I have trained for I have built to 16, stick there for a bit, then I start alternating a build to my 18/20 mile runs with alternating weeks at 16. A little over 16 miles is the longest I ran training for my IM but it didn't really go that well come race day. Mind you I didn't put in enough of the other miles over the rest of the week to back it up - that is more likely the cause. |
| 2013-09-11 10:20 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN I'm off to Catalina Island for a four day backpacking trip. Hope everyone has a good rest of the week and weekend! Managed to get in a good swim and run this morning...no SBR for a few days, but lots of time on the trails. Have a good one |
| 2013-09-11 11:52 AM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by brigby1 I saw a basic black, kind of mat, with some highlights they did for $400 and wow, it was stealthish but really really nice. Used + paint job is probably not much cheaper than new, but it looked a lot nicer than the new color scheme of any bike I have seen. Because of that I don't want to try Di2 until I'm in a position to get it. I'm quite sure I'd love it. How much could one expect for a paint job? Very wide open, I know. I wouldn't mind a custom paint job. Looking at new bikes, some of them re fugly. But I'd have to come up with a design, and I ain't that artistic |
| 2013-09-11 11:53 AM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Two thoughts..... DI2 is the best thing ever. I know, you will be sceptical, but once you've ridden DI2 on a tri bike, you would never go back. I am surprised it's an extra $1400. For me, next bike, I think I am going to buy a used frame and have it painted. I see some of the stuff that comes out of a bike shop here and WOW! What stack and reach are you looking for ? 562/464 |
| 2013-09-11 12:08 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by ChrisM Two thoughts..... DI2 is the best thing ever. I know, you will be sceptical, but once you've ridden DI2 on a tri bike, you would never go back. I am surprised it's an extra $1400. For me, next bike, I think I am going to buy a used frame and have it painted. I see some of the stuff that comes out of a bike shop here and WOW! What stack and reach are you looking for ? 562/464 Felt B16 60 = 561/461 That's the bike I almost bought (not that size) before I found a great deal on the P3 I ended up with. |
| 2013-09-11 12:42 PM in reply to: axteraa |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by ChrisM Two thoughts..... DI2 is the best thing ever. I know, you will be sceptical, but once you've ridden DI2 on a tri bike, you would never go back. I am surprised it's an extra $1400. For me, next bike, I think I am going to buy a used frame and have it painted. I see some of the stuff that comes out of a bike shop here and WOW! What stack and reach are you looking for ? 562/464 Felt B16 60 = 561/461 That's the bike I almost bought (not that size) before I found a great deal on the P3 I ended up with. Yeah, I have a list of bikes my fitter gave me. Felt B series on the list. Aesthetically not my first choice, but seems a good deal at 2K for ultegra. |
| 2013-09-11 12:46 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by ChrisM I wouldn't mind a custom paint job. Looking at new bikes, some of them re fugly. But I'd have to come up with a design, and I ain't that artistic The nicest jobs I saw them do were one color most of the bike, with some very subtle text/hints. It's the color choice that makes these bikes so cool. And very stealthish. I like stealthish. There are few paint schemes I find attractive. THis is what I liked about the back BMC Then you get a simple logo/saying....on the top bar. something like the famous "Quäl Dich, du Sau". Ask a German for a true translation :-) I am curious, what size BMC was he going to put you on ? M/L ? |
| 2013-09-11 12:47 PM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by ChrisM The nicest jobs I saw them do were one color most of the bike, with some very subtle text/hints. It's the color choice that makes these bikes so cool. And very stealthish. I like stealthish. There are few paint schemes I find attractive. THis is what I liked about the back BMC Then you get a simple logo/saying....on the top bar. something like the famous "Quäl Dich, du Sau". Ask a German for a true translation :-) I am curious, what size BMC was he going to put you on ? M/L ? I wouldn't mind a custom paint job. Looking at new bikes, some of them re fugly. But I'd have to come up with a design, and I ain't that artistic L. I like the TM01 paint scheme. I don't like the TM02 paint scheme (i.e. the one I can afford). Although they switch it up every year, so I've seen different ones on the BMC site |
| 2013-09-11 1:59 PM in reply to: bzgl40 |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by bzgl40 I have always said that the only ones who think you should cap a long run for marathon training at a certain number of hours are the fast runners. If I did that I would never be prepped for a marathon. And given that I actually train for that duration of a run I am betting my recover is no worse then someone who caps it at 2.5. I train for 3+, you train for 2.5, body adapts to each level of training. The one thing I have learned over the years though is just how stinking important it is for all the other miles to support that long run, no matter where you cap the thing at Yeah...basically cap your long run at a distance or time that still allows you to get your mid week volume in...and also keep your long run as low a percentage of your overall weekly mileage as possible. The problem I see with most people who do 3+ hour long runs is that they purposely schedule less miles during the mid week to allow for recovery of the long run. So they may feel that they aren't missing any runs due to a 3.5 hour long run, but their long run makes up close to 50% or more of thier total weekly mileage. Cutting down on their long run would probably allow them to run more overall mileage by not pushing too deep into the recovery costs of the longer long run. If you can manage a 3.5 hour long run, and keep your long run at 35% or less of your weekly mileage, then I don't see a problem. |
| 2013-09-11 2:01 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Out of all the bikes out there, the new Orbea Ordu and the BMC TM01 are the best looking bikes to me. I love the red/black paint scheme. But the 2012 Cervelo P2 red/black scheme...bleh. Probably not the fastest frames since they are UCI legal though. |
| 2013-09-11 2:52 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN What about a Trek SC? Then you could go the project one route, and if I undertsand it correctly they have now expanded that program from just the 9 series down to the 7 series levels of bikes as well (maybe not the lowest versions). Pretty sure I had read that, and project one is quite cool given the amount of choices you have, of not choice paint but also how you spec the bike. 2014 new model saw some nice improvements offered in a mid-range price point. |
| 2013-09-11 3:08 PM in reply to: GoFaster |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by GoFaster What about a Trek SC? Then you could go the project one route, and if I undertsand it correctly they have now expanded that program from just the 9 series down to the 7 series levels of bikes as well (maybe not the lowest versions). Pretty sure I had read that, and project one is quite cool given the amount of choices you have, of not choice paint but also how you spec the bike. 2014 new model saw some nice improvements offered in a mid-range price point. It's on "The list" |
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