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2018-09-04 10:08 AM
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I hope that everyone had a great weekend!

Melanie, someone in my tri club posted a panicky note about the Lake Placid forecast (LP weather seems fickle, not sure that I'd worry too much this far out). Anyway, he said first HIM, low of 46, high of 64, rain. He wanted suggestions. This is what I wrote:

I'd pack arm warmers and a bike vest, thinking that I'd use the first but probably not the second. I'd also practice removing or shoving the arm warmers down whole still peddling.

Two gallon zip top bags to put bike and run shoes in. At least you can start off with dry footwear. Dry socks for T2. You may decide not to use them but it may a good option.

Not sure if toe warmers are warranted. Think back to riding in 50-55 degrees in the spring. Would you have toe warmers on?

(a friend pointed out to me that the vest is unnecessary in warming conditions, shove an extra zip top bag under your tri top and remove it when if you get too warm. you can legally dump that at an aid station. he also pointed out that the person who told him that before B2B was.... me.)

Of course we are all sending Good Weather thoughts your way!

Last year was similar highs (but sunny).  I think the high temp for the upcoming race day said 60 and possibly rain last night when I checked (but it seems to change daily because yes, Adirondack weather is fickle and changeable - no use getting too worked up over it).  Anyway, last year I wore a vest and arm warmers and toe covers and was fine (but I tend to 'run hot').  I saw the entire spectrum of clothing choices that day from just a tri suit to folks who put on heavier cycling pants and jackets (I got hot looking at them!).  Eventually I took off my arm warmers while riding and unzipped my vest half way but again, it was sunny.

Last year toe covers were a good idea because morning temps at race start were 37 and water temps were 60, so feet were VERY cold heading out onto the bike.  They were offering warming tents near the swim start/exit and a warming van at the bottom of the Keene descent (around7 miles of descending) if people felt too cold or hypothermic. This year the water temp is a balmy 72 and it's not supposed to be quite as cold in the am but close - low of 40 overnight.  I'll likely wear toe covers again but that's personal preference.  My tri shoes are pretty vented especially on top, not 'warm' like closed cycling shoes.

Agreed about the toe covers. My feet don't overheat with them and they could aid in the whole dryness thing if the roads are wet.



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Hi Manatees,

I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming?

I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own.

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deleted duplicate post. sory!

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2018-09-04 1:09 PM
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Originally posted by awm007 Hi Manatees, I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming? I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own. Adam

I learned to swim to do triathlon. I've been swimming for 2010. I've taken private lessons, I've attended group classes, I've done masters. I'm still a BOP swimmer. I'll try something different this winter in the hopes of becoming more of a MOP swimmer.

2018-09-04 1:49 PM
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Originally posted by awm007 Hi Manatees, I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming? I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own. Adam

While i've always swum and am extremely comfortable in the water -I did grow up in S. Florida with a pool and the ocean right there!,  I've never been  a real swimmer; so have been a BOP triathlon swimmer. I did masters' swimming when first started out, but my technique never improved, so last year I took some private lessons and it really helped me. Though still slow, I'm much better than I was. I also still hate the swim portion of the race and question my sanity every single race!  I think I will probably take a few more lessons during the winter in hopes of really improving.

2018-09-04 1:53 PM
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Originally posted by awm007 Hi Manatees, I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming? I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own. Adam

While i've always swum and am extremely comfortable in the water -I did grow up in S. Florida with a pool and the ocean right there!,  I've never been  a real swimmer; so have been a BOP triathlon swimmer. I did masters' swimming when first started out, but my technique never improved, so last year I took some private lessons and it really helped me. Though still slow, I'm much better than I was. I also still hate the swim portion of the race and question my sanity every single race!  I think I will probably take a few more lessons during the winter in hopes of really improving.

Your times have really come down this year! Do you think that Tower 26 helped?



2018-09-04 1:58 PM
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Hi Manatees,

I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming?

I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own.

Adam


I was a swimmer as a kid. My first practice my freshman year of college I couldn't even get in the water I was so burned out. I walked away and only got in the water when I had to train lifeguards or teach swimming lessons. As soon as I quit my summer job at the waterpark, at the age or 31 because I couldn't survive on a teaching salary, I didn't go near a pool for about 15 years.

That said, coming out of "retirement" so I could swim for triathlons was hard. Triathlon swimming is not the same as lap swimming or pool-competition swimming. I highly suggest that if you're going to take lessons or join a masters team that you find a coach or a team that teaches you how to swim in open water.
2018-09-04 2:51 PM
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Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by awm007 Hi Manatees, I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming? I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own. Adam

While i've always swum and am extremely comfortable in the water -I did grow up in S. Florida with a pool and the ocean right there!,  I've never been  a real swimmer; so have been a BOP triathlon swimmer. I did masters' swimming when first started out, but my technique never improved, so last year I took some private lessons and it really helped me. Though still slow, I'm much better than I was. I also still hate the swim portion of the race and question my sanity every single race!  I think I will probably take a few more lessons during the winter in hopes of really improving.

Your times have really come down this year! Do you think that Tower 26 helped?

IDK, i know starting last year and continuing to date that I've been swimming more, that I've worked on strength stuff, and I've tried to pay more attention to what I'm doing   The tower 26 workouts are good though, so I'm sure they have helped. All that and the use of pool toys 

2018-09-04 2:54 PM
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Originally posted by awm007 Hi Manatees, I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming? I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own. Adam
I was a swimmer as a kid. My first practice my freshman year of college I couldn't even get in the water I was so burned out. I walked away and only got in the water when I had to train lifeguards or teach swimming lessons. As soon as I quit my summer job at the waterpark, at the age or 31 because I couldn't survive on a teaching salary, I didn't go near a pool for about 15 years. That said, coming out of "retirement" so I could swim for triathlons was hard. Triathlon swimming is not the same as lap swimming or pool-competition swimming. I highly suggest that if you're going to take lessons or join a masters team that you find a coach or a team that teaches you how to swim in open water.

Good advice! The coach at my masters team was not really helpful. The woman i went to for lessons really just focused on my technique, but it was technique geared for OWS.  She also conducts OWS clinics, so I really should look into that myself! 

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Originally posted by awm007

Hi Manatees,

I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming?

I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own.

Adam


Sounds like a lot of us share the same swimming woes! I've managed to get down to around 1:45 from somewhere around 2:05 mostly by swimming more and watching a lot of youtube videos. I've taken the odd private lesson and have gone to Master's but I don't think either of those really made a difference. Coaching I feel needs to be consistent otherwise you fall back into your old habits and Master's for me felt like doing a spin or workout class. Definitely helps cut down my breaks/swim more but before I get into the pool I generally have a pretty good idea of what I plan on doing so it's not all that different from Master's. I've never once gotten a tip from a Master's coach so maybe that's unique. If you come across any other ideas please share!
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I do have a swim background albeit not a real high-powered one--age-group swimming from about age 10 to 16, plus three years in high school. Oddly, I don't recall coaches working with us much on technique, but they must have! I did mainly distance free and fly, and I can't imagine for at least the latter that there wasn't a lot of technique work! At any rate, nothing specific to triathlon swimming. One of our coaches was an early Ironman participant, and he did encourage me to specialize in the distances (I worked up from swimming 3K to 10K continuously at our annual charity swimathon); but other than learning that it was possible to swim much longer continuouslyr than in a typical kids' workout, maybe some long-distance pacing skills, and how to eat while treading water or kicking, I don't think much that was useful for tri or OWS racing!

Since starting tri I've mainly done swim workouts on my own, either from online resources or my current coach. The two tri clubs I've been involved with (in Oregon and Idaho) also do weekly workouts in the summer at local lakes; those are helpful in picking up techniques specific to open water, such as getting the wetsuit on/off, sighting, rounding buoys, drafting, dealing with contact and different kinds of starts. Unless a club swim coach happens to be an open water swimmer or triathlete, tri clubs might be your best bet for tri-specific tips. The latter is definitely helpful even if you are an accomplished pool swimmer--I try to join those workouts whenever possible.

Since starting swimming again in my early 40's, I haven't really made huge progress, probably because my stroke's already pretty efficient (though not perfect) and I'm just not putting in nearly the yards I was as a teen. My average times have come down about 10 seconds/100m both in the pool and open water over the past five years. I did a video analysis at a training camp and reviewed it with my coach; it helped me make some changes that haven't really made me all that much faster but I feel like I fatigue less quickly and my breathing is smoother. I would definitely recommend video analysis with a coach if you can figure out the logistics--I think it's helpful for all levels of swimmers.

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Happy/sad to report that my Red Rover now has a new owner. He sold on the first day of the tri club's used gear sale to a young woman just getting into the sport. I stopped by Sunday to have a look at the sale and ended up saying goodbye to Rover as they were temporarily replacing his front cockpit with road bike bars. (She's going to have the front switched back later.) It was my best chance to get some $ for him this year. So now I am committed to riding "Andreas" (new bike) in my race this Sunday (Best in the West Oly in Sweet Home, Oregon.) Last race of the season except for (knock on wood) IM Malaysia in November.
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Originally posted by Hot Runner Happy/sad to report that my Red Rover now has a new owner. He sold on the first day of the tri club's used gear sale to a young woman just getting into the sport. I stopped by Sunday to have a look at the sale and ended up saying goodbye to Rover as they were temporarily replacing his front cockpit with road bike bars. (She's going to have the front switched back later.) It was my best chance to get some $ for him this year. So now I am committed to riding "Andreas" (new bike) in my race this Sunday (Best in the West Oly in Sweet Home, Oregon.) Last race of the season except for (knock on wood) IM Malaysia in November.
That is nice knowing Rover has a good home. Andreas is soooooo hawt! You should FLY in your tri this weekend.

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I learned to swim to do triathlon. In fact my wife taught me. It has not stopped one indisputable fact, I SWIM LIKE A BARGE. I probably take lessons from a coach, but finding a place to swim on a regular basis is a challenge. The closest public pool is 1.5 hours away. Instead I put a greater emphasis on bike and run, knowing I am going to be at the back after the swim. That is also why longer events suit me, I need more time to catch the good swimmers.
2018-09-05 8:54 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella I learned to swim to do triathlon. In fact my wife taught me. It has not stopped one indisputable fact, I SWIM LIKE A BARGE. I probably take lessons from a coach, but finding a place to swim on a regular basis is a challenge. The closest public pool is 1.5 hours away. Instead I put a greater emphasis on bike and run, knowing I am going to be at the back after the swim. That is also why longer events suit me, I need more time to catch the good swimmers.

My sweet spot is probably around the oly distance- sprints make me really, really work to catch the fast swimmers and people who don't take time to make sandwiches in transition like I do; oly distance gives me a bit more leeway to make up deficits; and the longer stuff just makes me cry

I think the rules should change and allow people with small hands to use at least finger paddles during the swim to make up for the saucer like hands the bigger people have   

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Originally posted by awm007 Hi Manatees, I have a quick poll question for you. How many of you have every gotten training in swimming for triathlon? I'm assuming those of you with a swimming background may not have since starting triathlon but those of you with no swim background - have you ever gotten coaching or lessons specific to swimming? I suck at swimming. There's no other way to put it really. While I don't really worry about a DNF, I get frustrated that the workouts take forever and I don't see a ton of improvement regardless of drill work etc. I was wondering how many of you have been able to get down to a reasonable time (<2:00/100) on your own. Adam

When I started triathlon, I swam on my own with my limited swimming experience growing up (very comfortable in the water but never any formal stroke/technique training).  Eventually I joined a masters group and the first instructor was a HUGE help with improving technique and learning a better feel for moving through the water.  Sadly, he left to work at another college and his replacement was not very helpful for those of us still honing our technique.  The next person (not affiliated with the college) eventually became a tri coach and while he knows his stuff and I did pick some things up from him, I felt he tended to cater more to his tri clients and didn't bother with the rest of the masters group as much.  

I took a handful of private lessons last summer to help get ready for my 5K swim, and similarly this year I hired a Secret Swim Coach to help me prepare for the same event.  Over the years I've gone to swim clinics at tri expos - one year I did aTotal Immersion class and another year I did one that was lead by the great Sheila Taormina, who, by the way, has a couple great books I've picked up that help explain and demonstrate some technique stuff.  All said and done, I tend to be MOP to slightly front MOP (usually above MOP in AG, for instance) in my races.

Bottom line:  individual coaches can be helpful.  Clinics can be helpful. Masters can be very helpful if you have the right person leading them.  Books and videos on the interwebs can be helpful if you find the right one(s).



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2018-09-05 9:15 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella I learned to swim to do triathlon. In fact my wife taught me. It has not stopped one indisputable fact, I SWIM LIKE A BARGE. I probably take lessons from a coach, but finding a place to swim on a regular basis is a challenge. The closest public pool is 1.5 hours away. Instead I put a greater emphasis on bike and run, knowing I am going to be at the back after the swim. That is also why longer events suit me, I need more time to catch the good swimmers.

Same here! Also why I generally don't like Olympic distance -- too high a percent of swimming!

2018-09-05 9:56 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella I learned to swim to do triathlon. In fact my wife taught me. It has not stopped one indisputable fact, I SWIM LIKE A BARGE. I probably take lessons from a coach, but finding a place to swim on a regular basis is a challenge. The closest public pool is 1.5 hours away. Instead I put a greater emphasis on bike and run, knowing I am going to be at the back after the swim. That is also why longer events suit me, I need more time to catch the good swimmers.

Same here! Also why I generally don't like Olympic distance -- too high a percent of swimming!



Olympic distance is my Hell (and plumbing). The swim is too long and the bike and run are too short. I can't catch the good swimmers.
I love HIM, as I age, I'm finding that I can actually compete at that distance. IM is a vacation that includes 15 hours or exercise.

A funny thing happened the last time I was in the pool. I was plowing through the water, like a tug boat. I understand that good swimmers of all shapes and sizes are going to pass me, and even lap me. I accept this. This time a larger man was flying past me like he was Aquaman. Literally I was nearly half a lap,in front of him in a 25 yard pool and he still beat me to the side, with a decent lead. I checked my watch and I wasn't swimming slower than normal. Finally we were at the end at the same and I saw he had flippers and paddles on!
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Swimming poll: I grew up doing summer swim league until I got to middle school. I stopped swimming competitively but then my senior year in high school, decided I wanted to be on the swim team. I was certainly not in the "A" group, but held my own in the "B" group and was not the slowest by far. My event was backstroke, I freaking love the backstroke - especially leading off a medley relay. I have a very vivid memory of trying to get my 50 freestyle time under 30 seconds, and I finally did at the end of the season. Memories 

Fast forward to adult-hood. I probably started swimming again when I trained for my first triathlon in 2006. So I'd had a few years off but picked it up quickly again. I am strangely happy with my paces (1:50 - 1:55/100 yd) and don't feel that an investment in a coach would give me the bang for my buck I'd be looking for. Or maybe I'm just lazy haha! 

Swimming is BY FAR the most enjoyable part of triathlons for me. I smile the entire time I'm swimming, and I am legitimately sad when I exit the water and feel like I actually have to "work" for the rest of the race. I realize I'm in the minority.

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The swim is also my favorite in many races! At the very least, I'm always glad that I can start the tri with something I feel really confident about when so many don't. And it's the only part of full IM that doesn't seriously scare me. My true passion is running, but that's mainly for training. By the time we come to the run in a triathlon, I'm tired and so is everyone else. It's a matter of gutting through it on tired legs, and seeing who slows down the least. My most enjoyable runs, with very few exceptions, have not been at the end of triathlons, particularly HIM!

I'm a little embarrassed at how much slower I swim than in HS. Back in the day I could do the 500 in about 1:11/100 yd (about 1:17/100m) and the 1650 yd. (1500m) in about 1:20/100 yd (about 1:28/100m). My 500 is way slower (I think as training is more focused on paces for longer distance) and I don't think I could hold under 1:40/100m for an all-out Oly swim in the pool anymore. But it's about the same with running--I'm about 20% slower than in my prime for all distances, no matter how much I train. Kind of depressing. I guess that is just getting old. Just pleased that my swims have held steady to slightly faster since I started tri in my early 40's; my run has slowed slightly (mainly due to inconsistent training due to injuries, plus focusing on longer distances and biking) while I have gotten a lot faster on the bike (almost fifty minutes at HIM distance).

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How I know it's race week:

1. Inner tube goes bad on my bike and holding my breath that the one I ordered online arrives, so I have a spare.

2. Watch band breaks ( I knew I shouldn't have washed it, the salt was holding together).

3. Achilles tendinitis flares up, and I am wearing a brace.

How I know I'm really warped:

I see these as good signs that I'm going to have a great race.


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Originally posted by JBacarella How I know it's race week: 1. Inner tube goes bad on my bike and holding my breath that the one I ordered online arrives, so I have a spare. 2. Watch band breaks ( I knew I shouldn't have washed it, the salt was holding together). 3. Achilles tendinitis flares up, and I am wearing a brace. How I know I'm really warped: I see these as good signs that I'm going to have a great race.

You are getting all of the problems out of the way before the race! Way to go!

Kevin has a Fenix 3. His watch band broke last week. He asked me to order a new one, saying he did not remember where we got the last one. I looked it up and ordered it. We replaced it last fall from Amazon, the fall before that from Clever Training. That brings us to the fall of 2015 when he bought it. I guess it's safe to say that the Fenix 3 watch band lasts for one year! (FWIW, he uses this as his everyday watch as well as his workout watch).

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Originally posted by JBacarella How I know it's race week: 1. Inner tube goes bad on my bike and holding my breath that the one I ordered online arrives, so I have a spare. 2. Watch band breaks ( I knew I shouldn't have washed it, the salt was holding together). 3. Achilles tendinitis flares up, and I am wearing a brace. How I know I'm really warped: I see these as good signs that I'm going to have a great race.

You are getting all of the problems out of the way before the race! Way to go!

Kevin has a Fenix 3. His watch band broke last week. He asked me to order a new one, saying he did not remember where we got the last one. I looked it up and ordered it. We replaced it last fall from Amazon, the fall before that from Clever Training. That brings us to the fall of 2015 when he bought it. I guess it's safe to say that the Fenix 3 watch band lasts for one year! (FWIW, he uses this as his everyday watch as well as his workout watch).



Mine is a Suunto Ambit 3 and it lasts exactly 2 years. I bought it just before my first IM, because my Timex couldn't last a HIM
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Originally posted by JBacarella How I know it's race week: 1. Inner tube goes bad on my bike and holding my breath that the one I ordered online arrives, so I have a spare. 2. Watch band breaks ( I knew I shouldn't have washed it, the salt was holding together). 3. Achilles tendinitis flares up, and I am wearing a brace. How I know I'm really warped: I see these as good signs that I'm going to have a great race.

You are getting all of the problems out of the way before the race! Way to go!

Kevin has a Fenix 3. His watch band broke last week. He asked me to order a new one, saying he did not remember where we got the last one. I looked it up and ordered it. We replaced it last fall from Amazon, the fall before that from Clever Training. That brings us to the fall of 2015 when he bought it. I guess it's safe to say that the Fenix 3 watch band lasts for one year! (FWIW, he uses this as his everyday watch as well as his workout watch).



Mine is a Suunto Ambit 3 and it lasts exactly 2 years. I bought it just before my first IM, because my Timex couldn't last a HIM


Oh no, my Suunto Ambit 2 is probably overdue for breaking then. It's been a great watch so far.

Thanks everyone for all of the swim stories. It was really interesting to hear how much variability there is with coaches and masters groups. I think I could get my time down if I got really serious about it (going every day, for example). It seems like my second swim of the week goes better than my first. I think I totally forget all that I learned the previous week when there are 5 days between the swims. On the whole though, like most people, I stand to gain a lot more time by bettering my bike than my swim.

Happy training this weekend all.
2018-09-06 9:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Manatees - 2018 Edition Now CLOSED
I find that 3X a week is a good compromise for the swim, if the logistics are doable. It won't be ideal, or even close, to getting someone to their maximum potential on the swim, but that isn't possible for most non-pros, or probably desirable for triathletes. (For pure swimmers, 8-10 swim workouts a week is very normal. Even on youth clubs, we put in 20-50K yards/meters per week, depending on age group, event, and season. That is more than I ever do now--more like 8-10K) Yes, 4-5X is better, especially if you are really working on incorporating major changes to your technique, but that is probably not realistic for most people who are working full time, may have limited pool/open water access, and are trying to fit in plenty of run and bike training as well.

Both as an athlete and teacher/coach, I've found that 3X really is better than 1-2, especially if you can schedule it so you're not going more than 3 days between swims. A while back at my school in Vietnam (where the kids are taught basic water safety as well as all four strokes), we looked at a lot of research on motor learning and fitness before deciding to make swimming class into two concentrated six-week blocks of 3X a week rather than once a week year-round. There is a lot of evidence that when you are developing new skills, you need a period of concentrated practice to put them into motor memory at an automatic level.

It's okay if one of the swims is really short--maybe just an easy recovery effort after a hard bike or run day, and some drills to really focus on good technique. It's a matter of getting in the water more often to practice the technique you are learning so that it becomes automatic over time, or, if you already have good technique, maintaining an efficient stroke. For this who aren't accomplished swimmers, it might pay off to do a winter training block where you are biking and running less for several weeks and actually getting in a swim 4-5X a week for that block. Good for giving the legs a break and really getting a handle on technique.
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