More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition - Closed (Page 91)

yes, I knew strava did a bit of rounding, but that particular ride was way more than rounding!!  Oh well, I guess I'll just put it down in the first world problems category!  

I don't think she is updating her web page anymore, but Sara McClarty has a whole bunch of workouts here  There are multiple years of workouts linked and each day  has  an A,B, or C option.  So, you should find something to keep you in the pool!.

Originally posted by tomsimper

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by tomsimper So excited just ordered my new bike and can't wait for it to arrive! Can't wait to get back to riding on the road again!

Yay!  What are you getting?

Planet X Pro Carbon Shimano Ultegra 6800 in bright orange so hopefully no other car will not spot me on the road and drive into me

Sounds like a great new ride!  We'll need pics, of course.

Yes, move along fairly quick* on the 50's. There are a few ways to get through it, but generally all will be hitting a consistently quick pace throughout, not fading off on the later ones.

And it is helpful to have a bunch of workouts handy. So much else to give your attention to in swimming!

* I think more in terms such as "quick" here instead of hard as the emphasis is more on learning how to do it. It'll likely end up resulting in a decent amount of effort, but the goal is more in the how to go fast with the effort level being a bit more secondary thought (though definitely not nonexistent thought). The how can be a bit comprehensive here, including aspects like numerous positioning aspects, timing, and range of motion development. This is what you'll be emphasizing more, and doing so while being at a decent effort.

Originally posted by marysia83

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by Blanda

Originally posted by marysia83 Blanda, what improved my swim was the 50x50. Basically, you just repeat 50 yards (or meters). After each 50 you take few seconds/few breaths of rest. I went from 2:30 per 100 to 1:50 per 100 in a pool.

Thank you! Are you going pretty hard on these 50's? Ann-Marie, thanks SO much for that link. I'm terrible at putting a workout together. Got another run in the morning. Yee haw! Hope you're all having a good week and enjoying some physical activity!

Yes, move along fairly quick* on the 50's. There are a few ways to get through it, but generally all will be hitting a consistently quick pace throughout, not fading off on the later ones.

And it is helpful to have a bunch of workouts handy. So much else to give your attention to in swimming!

* I think more in terms such as "quick" here instead of hard as the emphasis is more on learning how to do it. It'll likely end up resulting in a decent amount of effort, but the goal is more in the how to go fast with the effort level being a bit more secondary thought (though definitely not nonexistent thought). The how can be a bit comprehensive here, including aspects like numerous positioning aspects, timing, and range of motion development. This is what you'll be emphasizing more, and doing so while being at a decent effort.

I say I do push hard for those 50s, yes. You don't really feel getting tired, since it is only the 50, but you will feel the workout once you complete 15 or 20 of those and get out of the pool Since I've started doing 50x50 (although, the max I did was maybe 30-something...) I have never done longer swim than 200, and I was able to finish Oly swim very strongly, and without any issues.

That's a good observation to bring up in the second part. Swimming long is overrated. Swim a lot. The little breaks don't bring you all the way back to the start of the workout. And at 2500, a 50 x 50 set is longer than anything except an IM. Mid 30's x 50 is still ~1700-1800, or about an Oly swim.

Careful there, you're putting words in people's mouths and creating some strawman arguments.

It won't be "just" 50's every time, but a multitude of intervals, generally 200 or less. I've done lots of everything in that range except 175, and 125's would only fit in as "some". (those are weird to keep track of)

There was no stipulation about never ever swimming longer, just that it's been done (kept short) and done well with it. My statement was going long was overrated. That does not equate to no value whatsoever.

It's vital to learn how to swim well. Equating that with being gentle and delicate in the water is not at all what's being said. These short interval workouts can be (and generally should be) brutal to get through. Not so much to beat yourself up, but because trying to go faster is a good way to learn how to go faster. Read through some of this when you get a chance. Note that those are long course athletes doing lots of 50's for their main sets.

Optimizing is also something that gets overrated, and here refers to optimizing for a specific race or distance. Note, that still doesn't mean of no value. Much of the time for swim training should be spent making yourself as fast as possible. It should only take a few swims leading into the event to really get used to whatever it is you're doing. I've seen "some" come up before in other discussions, but it turns out to be something like weekly. Way too much for someone swimming 1-3x a week. Get faster first. Develop something to optimize.

Just booked Tri Bike Transport

80 days

Woo hoo!

How can a time frame seem so far out and so short all at the same time? 

Originally posted by marysia83 Sorry for coming back to this once more.... But I need moral support... So this Saturday will be my first trail run. I did some reading on couple of runners' forums and most people said it's crazy difficult. So I basically am jumping straight into a very deep waters. My co-worker, marathon runner, told me as long as I feel ready for a regular HM distance, I should be fine, just take it slow and careful. I am also repeating Ben's earlier advice. Watch for roots, watch for rocks/stones, take it easy going downhill.... Attached is the elevation that scares the sh$%^& out of me, but my approach is to just take it slow and not think about the pace/speed. Anything else anyone wants to add...? I will have regular running shoes, nothing trail-specific.

Looks like fun!  The only advice I can give is based on my one and only trail race (and a 13km trail run this morning....).  It was a 30km race and I figured "oh just a bit more than a HM".  Turns out it was more like "just a bit less than a full marathon".  I went way too fast up the uphills....  Looking at that graph, I would take it really easy until 8 miles, then give what I had left.  Be careful of interfaces of shadow and light if it is sunny--super easy to misjudge rocks and roots.  Use gravity on the downhills and don't try to 'brake' too much--but don't get crazy either .  Have fun!

me too!