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What she said. I really hate hearing all of this - kind of heart-breaking for things that could be avoided in your co-workers case if she took it seriously 

I really can't see how travel globally won't be restricted for the foreseeable future. I expect there to be lots of quarantine rules depending on where you're coming from and your country/region's numbers prior to entry. This puts a major crimp in how IM races operate. It just won't be feasible to have so many people coming from so many places - at least the local authorities won't see it that way. 

Yeah. A coworker is involved in the international student community. She knows of some Chinese graduate students who went back to China in March but signed leases for the 2020-2021 academic year.  They cannot get from China back to the US for school but the leases are written in such a way that they cannot really be terminated (they can be terminated but the leasee is on the hook for the rent until the unit is rented again and realistically, that's not gonna happen).

I'm waiting on my Irish citizenship to come through, but with Brexit and all the English people trying to get citizenship and then COVID the wait time is more than 9 months! But, with it i might be able to leave the country! I can't quit work, so it's really not that helpful

I was told that the non-US citizens (residents) are not allowed in even with a valid visa?  I was thinking the same thing and I did point out that the leas was signed in March as the university was closing.  Either way, the student is out $800 x 12 months or the landlord is.

So you are saying that I should have pursued my Canadian citizenship (I was born in Newfoundland) a long time ago, huh?

Fixed it for ya. 

haha!  I was bracing for Jennifer (or someone else) to make Newfie jokes ;-)

I was going to joke about your age ... Newfoundland didn't join Canada until 1949. But you aren't that old! sheesh. 

Plus, it's like a different language there. 

But i didn't know you were born in Newfoundland. That's pretty cool! It's a pretty cool place. I've been once. Though we drove and took the ferry. Next time we fly. 

Nope, not that old ;-)

It's complicated because my dad was at the US Naval Station there and I was born on the base.

With all due respect, that is correct.  We have all worked too hard to keep our numbers low!  The border closure has just been extended to August 21 and I really hope it stays closed much longer.  At least until there is some semblance of control in the US.

I did not know this .  And yes, I would if I were you.  Nothing really to lose!

i wouldn’t let us in anywhere either!  And I’m not holding my breath on us getting any semblance of control any time soon. I saw a FB post- maybe Robin’s, asking whether the majority of Americans knew they werent able to travel outside the US ( certain exceptions apply- who wants to go to Brazil?). The fact that we are a cautionary tale is outrageous. The fact that so many people have died who didn’t have to had we just followed the science is criminal. 

I'm very confused about some numbers I saw today and while maybe I can find answers somewhere on the interwebs as to why, I thought I'd ask the collective minds of the manatees first.

The Tale of Two States:

CA: 347,000 cases, 7227 deaths (as of 7/16/2020)

PA: 98,446 cases, 6973 deaths (as of 7/16/2020)

How does this happen?  Mis-reporting?  A heckuva lot of old people in PA caught it and died whereas maybe  younger people caught it and survived in CA?  How can there be close to the same amount of deaths in over a third less cases?

If I had to guess, I would say testing.  If PA didn't test as much as CA, their reported cases would be lower.  They may have only tested those 'really sick', many of whom may have ended up dying? Which begs the question, where is the logic in DTs stop testing protocol.  It just shows a much higher death rate. But then, DT is not very logical....

Lots of potential reasons. Death rates lag behind infection rates, so CA had been pretty good until recently and now has big numbers, so deaths will probably go up. Also, what is the age of those currently infected in CA v PA. Did PA have a big number of nursing homes with COVID?  I’d watch CA over the next week or 2 and see how the mortality rate changes.

This is how well trained we are up here....I just had a video call with my Dean, and I feel the need to wash my hands.... 

hahaha, you asked for logic in a DT decision. You forget his decisions are based on how things make him look and or effect his re-election chances. He has said if there are less tests there will be less cases. That’s science

were you wearing a mask?

haha, no.  I think that's why I wanted to wash my hands...

It looks like CA tests nearly three times as many people per 100,000 than PA and PA residents are moving around 19% less than they were on March 1 but CA is down 32%.  Furthermore, PA deaths peaked on May 1 and CA deaths have probably not yet peaked.

The R_t value for PA went up pretty much immediately after shelter ended but has been steady since then.

All that being said, Harvard's new tool indicates that PA is a relatively safe place to be right now -- at least compared to CA, NC, FL...

Thank you all for your responses.  I figured age may play a part (and yes, a lot of our nursing homes got hit pretty hard, at least in my county and I'm sure others).  Testing makes sense, too.  I will check out your links, Janyne.  PA's infection count is going back up since 'going green' and our governor is trying to reel businesses, especially bars and restaurants back in ince the numbers are rising and being met with much resistance and pushback.  And the amount of people I see walking around without masks EVEN THOUGH THE GOVERNOR MANDATED MASK WEARING IN PUBLIC PLACES drives me absolutely bonkers.  Not that I go out much, but when I do, there are always maskless people in the grocery store.

The worst was Monday I went to an Amish farm to get some plants and corn on the cob.  None of the Amish were wearing masks (this family never did but another stand I go to is very good about wearing them) and apparently the majority of the English people who were there decided they didn't need to, either.  I was wigged out and irritated.  I got my goodies and got out of there ASAP, taking a wide berth around all the non-mask wearers.

That is a really interesting pandemic tool. Thanks for sharing. Florida really sucks!

People are really stupid! I have some hope for mask compliance since more and more businesses like Walmart, SBUX etc are mandating them in all their stores regardless of state or local orders. So, since our leaders won't lead maybe the stores can make a difference. Of course, it doesn't help your situation where the small businesses don't care and ignore a state mandate. My mayor said they are going to be sending out "strike forces" to do inspections of businesses to make sure they are in compliance. I hope it works!

As an aside, our mayor is my former boss (the former Sheriff) and his wife is Val Demings. YOu may recognize her name as on the short list for Biden's VP pick. So there is a chance that I may know the eventual VP of the US!