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 2008-09-20 6:08 PM |
Champion  10157    Alabama |  Subject: Behind the seat cagesDuring my last race I saw a few of the behind-the-seat Profile Design bottle cages on the side of the road. I paid $45 for mine and so was suprised that when they fell off the riders did not pick them up. Well today mine fell off and I realize why they were left on the side of the road. They did not vibrate lose as I had supposed they had, they broke off. You can look at the picture below and tell exactly where it broke. I decided that I would not waste another $45 for one of these as there is obviously a flaw in the design. What other behind the seat cages do you use? My Felt B12 only has ONE bottle cage mount instead of 2 like on most bikes I've seen. I've got an aero bottle that I use for long rides but I'd like to be able to carry at least two bottles. Suggestions? |
| 2008-09-20 6:12 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
Champion 5850 Michigan | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages
Xlab Flatwing. They are not cheap but mine has not fallen off. I don't use it all that much though as I prefer the aerodrink and frame cages. use the flatwing for longer rides. |
| 2008-09-20 7:02 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
Pro 4343 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I have those same Profile Design cages but they are mounted on a simple, cheap Minoura mount . Never launched a botle. |
| 2008-09-20 7:05 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
Member 166 Encinitas | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I am not sure what i think of the Xlab Flatwing, every time i go on long rides i come back 1 bottle short. I've tried adding rubber bands to the bottle holder, but it still launch my bottles, i am considering the speedfill system, but it does not work on felts , so i got to wait and see if they come out with the system for the seat tube. |
| 2008-09-20 7:05 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages Beaker Concepts Hydrotail.... |
| 2008-09-20 7:08 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
Expert 958 Mississippi | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I have the Xlab SuperWing. I love it! It is really awesome. I bought the xnut and the xstraps so I can attach everything. I also went cheap and put plastic cages on it to offset some costs. |
| 2008-09-20 7:13 PM in reply to: #1686159 |
Champion 5850 Michigan | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages running2far - 2008-09-20 8:05 PM Beaker Concepts Hydrotail.... This one is awesome but did not work well with my seat tube. |
| 2008-09-20 7:30 PM in reply to: #1686168 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages When I used it, I had a simple Midoura mount that you put two of your own cages on. Since I've been going fully course supported I have not used it since, only the cage on the frame. For long training rides however, I will add it back on. |
| 2008-09-20 8:48 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
| Mountain View, CA | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I have the Xlab flatwing with a cheap plastic-coated metal cage on it. The advantage of the metal cages (or so I'm told) is that you can bend them in so that they grip the bottle more tightly. Haven't lost a bottle yet, and the setup seems much sturdier than my old Profile Design cages. |
| 2008-09-20 9:21 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
Extreme Veteran 477 | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I have the Tacx Saddle Clamp from Trisports.com and it works well for me. Like Daremo says, I only use them for training. I use Perpetuem for my fuel so I only need water to drink and I use the water exchanges on the course. |
| 2008-09-20 9:28 PM in reply to: #1686272 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages puellasolis - 2008-09-20 8:48 PM I have the Xlab flatwing with a cheap plastic-coated metal cage on it. The advantage of the metal cages (or so I'm told) is that you can bend them in so that they grip the bottle more tightly. Haven't lost a bottle yet, and the setup seems much sturdier than my old Profile Design cages. x2 |
| 2008-09-21 5:28 AM in reply to: #1686085 |
Expert 1170 Southern Pines, NC | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages It seems like the bottle-launching issue has almost nothing to do with the type of system on the back, and everything to do with the type of cage you use. It doesn't seem fair to throw XLab under the bus if you're using a cheapie cage on the Flatwing. |
| 2008-09-21 5:35 AM in reply to: #1686272 |
Expert 795 Oak Ridge, | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages puellasolis - 2008-09-20 9:48 PM I have the Xlab flatwing with a cheap plastic-coated metal cage on it. The advantage of the metal cages (or so I'm told) is that you can bend them in so that they grip the bottle more tightly. Haven't lost a bottle yet, and the setup seems much sturdier than my old Profile Design cages. Disadvantages, in my experience, is that the metal seems to fatigue fairly quickly and the cage breaks often at the most inopportune times. Whenever I used a metal cage on my Flatwing they tended to crack/break fairly regularly (went through 3 in the span of a couple of months) during rides. Left with being unable to hold a bottle and having this annoying rattling sound until able to take the cage off. |
| 2008-09-21 5:40 AM in reply to: #1686510 |
Expert 795 Oak Ridge, | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages DrPete - 2008-09-21 6:28 AM It seems like the bottle-launching issue has almost nothing to do with the type of system on the back, and everything to do with the type of cage you use. It doesn't seem fair to throw XLab under the bus if you're using a cheapie cage on the Flatwing. Agree. Once I found the "right" cage (the Profile Design plasic cage with the little rubber band at the top) to put on my Flatwing I had absolutely no issues with launching bottles. Even when one of the rubber bands broke I still had no issues. |
| 2008-09-21 10:55 AM in reply to: #1686085 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages XLab Carbonwing. Love it. Expensive. The carbon cages have a flange that points inward near the top of it that keeps bottles securely in place. I've gone over some bumps that I thought for sure would launch the bottles and have never had them come out. I don't even think about bottle launch anymore. Plus the carbonwing does not hang below the seat like many other behind the seat holders. So you aren't messing with the aerodynamics of the seat post. Now, messing with the aerodynamics of behind your butt is another story. Not an issue while training, but perhaps while racing. The Carbonwing also has a place between the bottles where you can secure a tool bag so that it isn't hanging below your seat. |
| 2008-09-21 11:46 AM in reply to: #1686085 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I have the Profile Tri-Stryke saddle, so this may or may not work for you... I have the Minoura double mounted upside-down, so the bottles don't point up, they are level with the ground (the saddle rails being at about 45-degrees makes this possible -- the Adamo has the rails vertical, so probably won't work). Anyway, I have Profile Kages put on so the bottles point forward, putting them just behind my thighs. Very easy to grab while remaining aero. |
| 2008-09-21 10:23 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
Extreme Veteran 484 McHenry, IL | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I use the Profile Design Aqua Rack (different than the one you showed in your pic) and it has been rock solid for me for 8 years. Almost never launch a bottle. The only modification I have ever made was to put a couple Livestrong bands to use, placing them around each cage to hold the bottles tighter. I don't think I've launched a single bottle since doing this. And I don't see how the Aqua Rack design would ever break. Only issue is that it only works if you have a round seat post. (PRFARCK.jpg) Attachments ---------------- PRFARCK.jpg (28KB - 12 downloads) |
| 2008-09-21 10:38 PM in reply to: #1686154 |
Veteran 1108 Perth, Oz | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages MDHillSlug - 2008-09-21 8:02 AM I have those same Profile Design cages but they are mounted on a simple, cheap Minoura mount . Never launched a botle. I have the minoura mount, it's never launched a bottle, but it did completely snap off at the start of a 130k training ride. wasn't happy but surived the ride as my friends were nice enough to help me out with drinks. Decided never to get one of that type ever again headed to the LBS only to discover the minoura mount was the only one that actually fits on my bike. So have a new minoura mount with the profile bottle cages. had not option but to get the dodgy designed mount agian. I can see exactly why the other mount snapped. But I got a year out of the last one so I figure I'll just have t o keep an eye on it after about 6months. |
| 2008-09-22 4:20 AM in reply to: #1686513 |
Veteran 145 Williamsburg, VA | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages CNIDog - 2008-09-21 6:35 AM puellasolis - 2008-09-20 9:48 PM I have the Xlab flatwing with a cheap plastic-coated metal cage on it. The advantage of the metal cages (or so I'm told) is that you can bend them in so that they grip the bottle more tightly. Haven't lost a bottle yet, and the setup seems much sturdier than my old Profile Design cages. Disadvantages, in my experience, is that the metal seems to fatigue fairly quickly and the cage breaks often at the most inopportune times. Whenever I used a metal cage on my Flatwing they tended to crack/break fairly regularly (went through 3 in the span of a couple of months) during rides. Left with being unable to hold a bottle and having this annoying rattling sound until able to take the cage off. Glad to see that I am not the only one that seems to through metal cages like candy. |
| 2008-09-22 9:58 AM in reply to: #1686272 |
| Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages puellasolis - 2008-09-20 6:48 PM I have the Xlab flatwing with a cheap plastic-coated metal cage on it. The advantage of the metal cages (or so I'm told) is that you can bend them in so that they grip the bottle more tightly. Haven't lost a bottle yet, and the setup seems much sturdier than my old Profile Design cages. Yep, no bottles launched here either, same setup, had it for 6 months, same cages, none have broken. Edited by ChrisM 2008-09-22 9:59 AM |
| 2008-09-22 10:00 AM in reply to: #1687379 |
| Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages splerph - 2008-09-21 8:38 PM MDHillSlug - 2008-09-21 8:02 AM I have those same Profile Design cages but they are mounted on a simple, cheap Minoura mount . Never launched a botle. I have the minoura mount, it's never launched a bottle, but it did completely snap off at the start of a 130k training ride. wasn't happy but surived the ride as my friends were nice enough to help me out with drinks. Decided never to get one of that type ever again headed to the LBS only to discover the minoura mount was the only one that actually fits on my bike. So have a new minoura mount with the profile bottle cages. had not option but to get the dodgy designed mount agian. I can see exactly why the other mount snapped. But I got a year out of the last one so I figure I'll just have t o keep an eye on it after about 6months. I've had two of them snap on me. Cheap, but never again |
 2008-09-23 1:31 AM in reply to: #1686515 |
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| 2008-09-23 8:21 PM in reply to: #1686085 |
| Expert 936 Salisbury | Subject: RE: Behind the seat cages I use xlab with specialized "mountain bike" cages. |
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