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 2009-06-30 11:17 AM in reply to: #2253120 |
Champion  8540      the colony texas |  Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph?I remember a couple of years ago I was doing the aqua bike and one pro that always does the local half. THere was no elite wave and he just started with us AG'ers... I think I was on my first loop of the bike course while he was on his last. I could hear him calling left from waaay in the distance and he was on me pretty quick then gone.. I checked his avg after the race and it was 26.+ for a HIM. It was something to see him go flying by on the bike though |
| 2009-06-30 11:28 AM in reply to: #2252960 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? cusetri - 2009-06-30 9:19 AM cole18msu - 2009-06-30 10:12 AM jmickle11 - 2009-06-30 7:03 AM What's even more amazing is how these guys average 5:25 or so on 10Ks after a bike like that! I call them freaks of nature!!! I agree. I am more impressed by 5 min/miles after a swim and bike. I feel like I could get to mid 20's on the bike if I worked at it enough, but I don't know that I would ever get to 5 min/miles. they're both achieveable by the average person who trains enough. That's debatable. I've been at my genetic limit before which was very fast on the bike but not very close to 5 min/miles even in an open 10k. And I'm above average in terms of athletic genetics (Starting safety 3 years NCAA div 1 football). And I had unlimited time to train, fully sponsored, with access to great training advice. |
| 2009-06-30 11:41 AM in reply to: #2252784 |
Regular 77 Manassas, VA | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? As for Philly, the fastest splits were by Pros, with a couple of exceptions. If you look, the 2nd and 3rd fastest splits were by AG'ers with 30+min swims and 90min runs. Ya think maybe they didn't do both bike loops? |
| 2009-06-30 11:42 AM in reply to: #2253179 |
Master 2702 CHINA GROVE N.C., North Carolina | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? breckview - 2009-06-30 12:28 PM cusetri - 2009-06-30 9:19 AM cole18msu - 2009-06-30 10:12 AM jmickle11 - 2009-06-30 7:03 AM What's even more amazing is how these guys average 5:25 or so on 10Ks after a bike like that! I call them freaks of nature!!! I agree. I am more impressed by 5 min/miles after a swim and bike. I feel like I could get to mid 20's on the bike if I worked at it enough, but I don't know that I would ever get to 5 min/miles. they're both achieveable by the average person who trains enough. That's debatable. I've been at my genetic limit before which was very fast on the bike but not very close to 5 min/miles even in an open 10k. And I'm above average in terms of athletic genetics (Starting safety 3 years NCAA div 1 football). And I had unlimited time to train, fully sponsored, with access to great training advice. Agreed.. most anyone can improve a lot but those kind of speeds are stretching it for the average person. Not saying it can't be done, it's just that genetics probably contribute to those speeds also. Who knows though ? Maybe we can start an "Avg to Very Fast" project. I need it ansd since it's my idea I'm the first volunteer..... who's coaching me ?  |
| 2009-06-30 11:50 AM in reply to: #2253179 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? breckview - 2009-06-30 12:28 PM cusetri - 2009-06-30 9:19 AM That's debatable. I've been at my genetic limit before which was very fast on the bike but not very close to 5 min/miles even in an open 10k. And I'm above average in terms of athletic genetics (Starting safety 3 years NCAA div 1 football). And I had unlimited time to train, fully sponsored, with access to great training advice.cole18msu - 2009-06-30 10:12 AM jmickle11 - 2009-06-30 7:03 AM What's even more amazing is how these guys average 5:25 or so on 10Ks after a bike like that! I call them freaks of nature!!! I agree. I am more impressed by 5 min/miles after a swim and bike. I feel like I could get to mid 20's on the bike if I worked at it enough, but I don't know that I would ever get to 5 min/miles. they're both achieveable by the average person who trains enough. If you were fast enough to run 5min miles you would have been a corner.  |
| 2009-06-30 11:54 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
Expert 1170 Southern Pines, NC | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? Dave Zabriskie holds the record for the fastest TT in the Tour de France at 33.35mph. In the same tour de France, Lance rode a 55km TT in Stage 20, after a couple thousand miles of racing, at 28.4mph. |
| 2009-06-30 11:55 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? you have to remember that elite/pro's that don't work and have time to do a proper training with a coach in the morning, eat, sleep/rest then have another session in the afternoon with coach etc etc will lead to high level of performance. genetics are a part of it for the TOP TOP TOP guys but hard work and dedication is important to note also. i think certain things are more trainable then others at a certain level. i think most people can run 6:30 min / mile IF they train, but beyond that you really need to train hard core, 5 min miles are for track folks or people that really put in their running times when they were younger. this is my view though.... |
| 2009-06-30 11:57 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? I dunno. But if it requires eliminating pizza and beer from my diet, I'm happy staying with my low 20 averages. |
| 2009-06-30 11:59 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
Pro 3883 Woodstock,GA | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? A lot (actually the majority) is genetics, that being said even if you are not blessed with a VO2Max of 75+ with proper training you can still bust out some amazing times in S/B/R. Cycling in and of itself is the one discipline where it really does take a big "lifetime base" to go fast over longer distances. Each year as you log more and more miles you will see your bike times go down due to your body becoming more efficient both biomechanically and aerobically. And as for the bike split....bike for show, run for dough. Give me the guy that can run a 35 min 10k off the bike any day. |
| 2009-06-30 12:01 PM in reply to: #2253179 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? breckview - 2009-06-30 12:28 PM cusetri - 2009-06-30 9:19 AM That's debatable. I've been at my genetic limit before which was very fast on the bike but not very close to 5 min/miles even in an open 10k. And I'm above average in terms of athletic genetics (Starting safety 3 years NCAA div 1 football). And I had unlimited time to train, fully sponsored, with access to great training advice.cole18msu - 2009-06-30 10:12 AM jmickle11 - 2009-06-30 7:03 AM What's even more amazing is how these guys average 5:25 or so on 10Ks after a bike like that! I call them freaks of nature!!! I agree. I am more impressed by 5 min/miles after a swim and bike. I feel like I could get to mid 20's on the bike if I worked at it enough, but I don't know that I would ever get to 5 min/miles. they're both achieveable by the average person who trains enough. I read the post to mean 5:xx I would agree 5 flat would require an above average make up. |
| 2009-06-30 12:26 PM in reply to: #2252370 |
Member 56 Spanish Fork, UT | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? Edited by kram2692 2009-06-30 12:27 PM |
| 2009-06-30 12:54 PM in reply to: #2253300 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? Rocket Man - 2009-06-30 11:59 AM A lot (actually the majority) is genetics, that being said even if you are not blessed with a VO2Max of 75+ with proper training you can still bust out some amazing times in S/B/R. Cycling in and of itself is the one discipline where it really does take a big "lifetime base" to go fast over longer distances. Each year as you log more and more miles you will see your bike times go down due to your body becoming more efficient both biomechanically and aerobically. And as for the bike split....bike for show, run for dough. Give me the guy that can run a 35 min 10k off the bike any day. This is for Oly distance .9m s/25.8m b/6.2m run Sure: 1 1 Matty Reed 34 M BOULDER 918423 P 16:39 1:08 55:34 0:51 33:12 1:47:22.5 1:47:22.5 2 17 Andy Potts 33 M COLORADO 994802 P 16:30 1:04 56:57 0:53 32:03 1:47:24.3 1:47:24.3 3 3 Chris Lieto 37 M DANVILLE 964303 P 17:26 1:14 53:57 1:01 34:46 1:48:21.4 1:48:21.4 |
| 2009-06-30 1:10 PM in reply to: #2253290 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? trix - 2009-06-30 12:55 PM you have to remember that elite/pro's that don't work and have time to do a proper training with a coach in the morning, eat, sleep/rest then have another session in the afternoon with coach etc etc will lead to high level of performance. genetics are a part of it for the TOP TOP TOP guys but hard work and dedication is important to note also. i think certain things are more trainable then others at a certain level. i think most people can run 6:30 min / mile IF they train, but beyond that you really need to train hard core, 5 min miles are for track folks or people that really put in their running times when they were younger. this is my view though.... Not sure how much of this i agree with, there are plenty of pros with jobs, and most of them that are not working full time are there because they put their training out front and the career took a back burner, they didnt simply fall into not having ot work. on the running front, running sub 6 min miles on the run is not really any diff than breaking 8 min, or 7 min, you simply need to put in SMART training, over a long period of time (read it takes more than a few months/year to get fast). you cant sit down and say, this season i am going to become a fast runner. it takes YEARS to see times like that from most poeple, but i strongly believe that almost any normal person can see times in that range IF they dedicate the time and training to it. this is not always going to be possible due to family, life, etc, but for most people genetics are not what is holding them back, training is. |
| 2009-06-30 1:41 PM in reply to: #2253560 |
Elite 3315 Miami | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? newbz - 2009-06-30 1:10 PM trix - 2009-06-30 12:55 PM you have to remember that elite/pro's that don't work and have time to do a proper training with a coach in the morning, eat, sleep/rest then have another session in the afternoon with coach etc etc will lead to high level of performance. Not sure how much of this i agree with, there are plenty of pros with jobs, and most of them that are not working full time are there because they put their training out front and the career took a back burner, they didnt simply fall into not having ot work. on the running front, running sub 6 min miles on the run is not really any diff than breaking 8 min, or 7 min, you simply need to put in SMART training, over a long period of time (read it takes more than a few months/year to get fast). you cant sit down and say, this season i am going to become a fast runner. it takes YEARS to see times like that from most poeple, but i strongly believe that almost any normal person can see times in that range IF they dedicate the time and training to it. this is not always going to be possible due to family, life, etc, but for most people genetics are not what is holding them back, training is. genetics are a part of it for the TOP TOP TOP guys but hard work and dedication is important to note also. i think certain things are more trainable then others at a certain level. i think most people can run 6:30 min / mile IF they train, but beyond that you really need to train hard core, 5 min miles are for track folks or people that really put in their running times when they were younger. this is my view though.... i am not sure why you wouldn't agree when you pretty much said the same thing as me......like i said genetics is not an issue and its mainly training. the only thing maybe is that pro's that work or don't. i am not sure i guess you are the coach you would know more, i always read they don't really work, and if they do i want their jobs, because in my professional career i can't do 3 hr workout before and after work. as far as the times like the ones i posted for Potts and Reed, they are at about 5 min miles, but i bet they had years and years of background in one of the 3 sports. maybe i am mistaken and i can get to 5 min miles also with the correct training. |
| 2009-06-30 3:26 PM in reply to: #2253560 |
Pro 3883 Woodstock,GA | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? newbz - 2009-06-30 2:10 PM trix - 2009-06-30 12:55 PM you have to remember that elite/pro's that don't work and have time to do a proper training with a coach in the morning, eat, sleep/rest then have another session in the afternoon with coach etc etc will lead to high level of performance. Not sure how much of this i agree with, there are plenty of pros with jobs, and most of them that are not working full time are there because they put their training out front and the career took a back burner, they didnt simply fall into not having ot work. on the running front, running sub 6 min miles on the run is not really any diff than breaking 8 min, or 7 min, you simply need to put in SMART training, over a long period of time (read it takes more than a few months/year to get fast). you cant sit down and say, this season i am going to become a fast runner. it takes YEARS to see times like that from most poeple, but i strongly believe that almost any normal person can see times in that range IF they dedicate the time and training to it. this is not always going to be possible due to family, life, etc, but for most people genetics are not what is holding them back, training is. genetics are a part of it for the TOP TOP TOP guys but hard work and dedication is important to note also. i think certain things are more trainable then others at a certain level. i think most people can run 6:30 min / mile IF they train, but beyond that you really need to train hard core, 5 min miles are for track folks or people that really put in their running times when they were younger. this is my view though.... I am going to disagree with you here. The majority of people are not genetically predisposed to run sub-6 min miles over a 10k distance either off the bike or open 10k. Look at the results from local races and you will see that after the top 5% (in open 10k's) there are very few people under the 38 minutes. I agree that the average person can (and should) get faster over a period of years with targeted training, but to say anyone is capable of running 5:xx miles over 10k is a bit of a stretch. Those times that you posted from the Philly tri were 3 of the top triathletes in the world. I would expect that they can ride that fast and run off the bike. In the ITU ranks if you aren't running 31:xx or faster off the bike then you aren't in the Top 10.
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| 2009-06-30 3:49 PM in reply to: #2252370 |
Extreme Veteran 787 The Woodlands/Magnolia, TX. | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? jsnowash - 2009-06-30 4:49 AM Maybe they're riding one of these: i don't see any aero bars....... |
| 2009-06-30 4:09 PM in reply to: #2253282 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? DrPete - 2009-06-30 11:54 AM Dave Zabriskie holds the record for the fastest TT in the Tour de France at 33.35mph. In the same tour de France, Lance rode a 55km TT in Stage 20, after a couple thousand miles of racing, at 28.4mph. I remember Lemond averaging 34mph for the TT that won him his Tour. Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvwtOQYQ-E |
| 2009-07-01 7:45 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? Lemond held the fastest average speed for years from his final stage thrashing of Fignon. And yes, he rode some Scott clip-ons (that I believe were inspired by some tri guys using them). But both Zabriskie and Lance put up better overall averages in the last few years I believe. Considering the technical advancements in frame design and rider positioning, it is amazing that Lemond could do what he did back in '89. |
| 2009-07-01 7:50 AM in reply to: #2255179 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? Daremo - 2009-07-01 9:45 AM Lemond held the fastest average speed for years from his final stage thrashing of Fignon. And yes, he rode some Scott clip-ons (that I believe were inspired by some tri guys using them). But both Zabriskie and Lance put up better overall averages in the last few years I believe. Considering the technical advancements in frame design and rider positioning, it is amazing that Lemond could do what he did back in '89. Especially drug free Shane |
| 2009-07-01 7:52 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? "Back in my day, we didn't use drugs. No one doped!!" * (*Blood transfusions do not count as doping since it is your own natural blood, right??? You're just re-charging your supply!) |
 2009-07-01 9:16 AM in reply to: #2255179 |
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| 2009-07-01 9:41 AM in reply to: #2255431 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? Of course they were. But doping technology and advantages are much better now, just like the equipment is. |
| 2009-07-01 9:47 AM in reply to: #2252164 |
| Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? It was a combination of riding out of his skin with perfect weather and a fast course. |
| 2009-07-01 9:59 AM in reply to: #2255431 |
| Master 1610 Kirkland, WA | Subject: RE: How in the world do these guys average 26.7 mph? PennState - 2009-07-01 7:16 AM Rick they were using drugs (amphetamines) in the 60s... I think they had their own 'advantages' going on. It's amazing, but not necessarily without 'enhancement'. Meth-amphetamines?! no wonder they could train all day/ all night and everyone's stuff was missing. . . |
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