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2009-08-02 10:37 AM

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Subject: athena or age group
I am looking to sign up for a duathelon (first one-just completed first sprint tri yesterday) and am wondering if I should sign up for clydesdale or athena or age group and what these things mean.  I am alittle fuzzy on the definitions.  I am 39 years old, 5'9" and weigh 158.  What am I? My BMI is actually normal so I am not "fat" but could potentially weigh 150 and still feel okay.
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2009-08-02 10:46 AM
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Subject: RE: athena or age group
Unless your avatar is highly misleading, then you can't sign up as a clydesdale.  Wink

I believe that the athena weight limit is 150lb.  Check the web site for your race to be sure.
2009-08-02 10:48 AM
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Subject: RE: athena or age group
Experior - 2009-08-02 11:46 AM Unless your avatar is highly misleading, then you can't sign up as a clydesdale.  Wink

I believe that the athena weight limit is 150lb.  Check the web site for your race to be sure.


I agree... us Clydesdales are ugly.  She is very pretty.  Laughing  oh yeah, we are dudes too.
2009-08-02 11:45 AM
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oops, sorry, didn't realize clydesdale referred to a male.....guess I have alot to learn.  Thanks for correcting me nicely!!
2009-08-02 11:55 AM
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Yup clydesdale is men 200+ and usually (from what I've seen on race sites) athena is females 150+....these aren't "fat" people categories because as you point out you are not fat. You can pick age group or athena if you're 158---it's up to YOU---race in what you feel comfortable.
2009-08-02 11:56 AM
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Subject: RE: athena or age group
racing age group, you'll be competing against petite 110 lb females who can bike and run super fast. So, I'd vote for racing Athena!


2009-08-02 11:56 AM
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If the weight minimum is less than your weight, you should consider Athena.  It's not mandatory and there will be much heavier ladies racing Age Group.

I prefer to race Athena now after trying it because, yes, I usually place better.  Often Athena gets to go first (fat = slow = need more time), which I like too.  I weigh the same as you, although sadly I am a few inches shorter

There's a great debate on this site about athena/clyde versus age group.  Many think it's the group for fat, slow kids.  I disagree.  I was beat in a recent race by a woman your size.  She was tall and strong and ranked very well overall.  The theory is basically that it's "harder" for bigger people to do the same things as the littler people.  Esp with running, us "big kids" (I say this tongue in cheek) have a harder time.  

I think it's fun to race Athena when you don't look like you're overweight.  Then everyone ask you why you're in the group and it's doubly good for my self esteem.

Long story short, it's really up to you.  But you shouldn't feel bad about your choice either way.  You're not cheating by putting yourself in a smaller group of competitors, but you are also welcome to be in the Age Group if you wish.

Good luck!

2009-08-02 2:02 PM
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One of my races had "Lady clydesdale" so you could be a clydesdale if you REALLY wanted.

Anyway its about personal choice just pick whichever would make you feel comfortable. You might have more of a chance getting hardware as an Athena in some cases especially if your at the low end of the weight spectrum for Athena.
2009-08-02 2:25 PM
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jojoswmr - 2009-08-02 12:45 PM oops, sorry, didn't realize clydesdale referred to a male.....guess I have alot to learn.  Thanks for correcting me nicely!!

Just to be on the safe side could you post a larger picture of yourself....... JUst kidding .... sorta.
2009-08-02 3:12 PM
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Weird thing is you can place better in Athena or AG...just depends who shows up and races as well as what AG you are in. You look much younger than me so your AG probably is more competitive. Look up past race results and see what the difference is. Do you think you will place? If so it matters if not doesn't really matter.

Here in MA I often go in last wave as an Athena which means being out there by yourself a lot depending on length of race. On today's run, I think I saw 6 competitors on 7.2 mile run. In my HIM I would have started 20' earlier as an AGer instead of an Athena.

I've raced 6 times this year and have placed in all races...2 relays, 4 as Athena. In my AG would never have won anything. Hardware is cool but I do this to compete against myself and I tend to be pretty hard on myself.

Your choice totally.

I have won Clydesdale award as they screwed up and gave me the wrong award once..I found it amusing.
2009-08-02 7:42 PM
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As other folks have said, it's totally your choice and there's no wrong answer.

I'm about your size and I've often faced the same question. I've figured out that I prefer racing AG because I am more interested in comparing myself against people my age, especially since the Athena division is usually pretty diverse -- as in, there are women of all shapes and sizes, so it doesn't really feel like I'm racing against people like me. Does that make sense? But aside from that, one thing I don't like about the races I've done is for some reason they often don't rank Athenas in the overall results. This makes zero sense to me and kind of pisses me off, actually -- like what, larger people shouldn't be counted in the whole race? But I think this is just a fluke for the races I've done because other folks here haven't reported the same issue.

Anyway, just to repeat, whatever you decide is just fine. You'll have fun no matter what!


2009-08-02 8:33 PM
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So, when you first started out, did you race in Athena, then move on to AG? I feel like since I am only beginning I will probably do Athena for this time, then as I get my feet wet and feel braver and more with it, move on to AG.
2009-08-02 8:40 PM
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jojoswmr - 2009-08-02 6:33 PM

So, when you first started out, did you race in Athena, then move on to AG? I feel like since I am only beginning I will probably do Athena for this time, then as I get my feet wet and feel braver and more with it, move on to AG.


My first two races didn't have an Athena division so I raced AG. Really, it's not a beginner vs. experienced thing -- it's all the same race. Athena is *probably* less competitive, but that's not a sure thing. If you think you'd feel more comfortable racing Athena, for whatever reason, go for it! You might look at the wave times and see if that makes a difference for you. It may be that Athenas start earlier, which would give you more time to finish (and make it less likely you'd be finishing BOP, which made a big difference for me and my comfort level).
2009-08-03 1:20 PM
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I can defintely race Athena...I am heavier than you but the same height....but in all 3 years of racing, it was more important to me to rae against people my own age than people of my own weight...I can pretty much be guarenteed to place during a race if I do Athena but never am clsoe if I AG..the hardware  doesn't mean much to me...
2009-08-03 1:40 PM
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KathyG - 2009-08-02 4:12 PM Here in MA I often go in last wave as an Athena which means being out there by yourself a lot depending on length of race. On today's run, I think I saw 6 competitors on 7.2 mile run. In my HIM I would have started 20' earlier as an AGer instead of an Athena.


I agree with Kathy about the start times.  I started as a Newbie once and was one of the last people out on the course, it was pyschologically not fun. I prefer to start with my AG and be amongst other racers than be last to finish.
I am also 5''8" and 155lbs so I could do Athena too, but I feel weird about doing that.  Personally I think there need to be new category definitions but until that happens I'll just plug along in the back of my AG- happy to be finishing and loving every race!
2009-08-03 1:40 PM
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Subject: RE: athena or age group
I don't think I've ever raced in a race when I didn't "qualify" to be an Athena.

But I have ALWAYS raced Age Group.

Just feels like the better option to me.  I would bet that at least half the female age groupers could qualify for Athena but don't race it.

But it's a personal choice.


2009-08-03 2:28 PM
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jojoswmr - 2009-08-02 9:33 PM So, when you first started out, did you race in Athena, then move on to AG? I feel like since I am only beginning I will probably do Athena for this time, then as I get my feet wet and feel braver and more with it, move on to AG.


If you are a beginner you can always race novice- you would be competing against other "newbies" if that's what you're looking for. I think the general rule of thumb is that you race your first 3 races as a novice and then move onto AG or in your case, if you chose athena.

As far as racing AG or athena, like others have stated, it comes down to a personal preference. 
2009-08-03 2:42 PM
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Few races have a "novice" category in our area, I'm not sure if that's more prevalent elsewhere.   In my area, the Athena group is generally not newbies.  They are more experienced and jaded ladies   It is always a very small group and while it's easy to place high, you can also be last.  I have been 3rd and last, all in the same race.  That's the nice thing about AG - lots more folks that will probably be slower than you

But back to the OP again - you can race in any category you want.  Most  of us that race Athena do so to place better or change your overall position (i.e. start times) and not because we need special help.  That's based entirely on word of mouth.    If you'd rather just go with the flow, then race AG.

One very imp point I didn't think of, mentioned by another, is that racing as Athena takes the age quotient out entirely.  That is the benefit of AG - racing with others the same age.  For me this is not an advantage since 30-34 is a fast AG.  If I were in my 20s, for instance, I would definitely race AG.

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jojoswmr - 2009-08-02 9:33 PM So, when you first started out, did you race in Athena, then move on to AG? I feel like since I am only beginning I will probably do Athena for this time, then as I get my feet wet and feel braver and more with it, move on to AG.


If you are a beginner you can always race novice- you would be competing against other "newbies" if that's what you're looking for. I think the general rule of thumb is that you race your first 3 races as a novice and then move onto AG or in your case, if you chose athena.

As far as racing AG or athena, like others have stated, it comes down to a personal preference. 

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BikerGrrrl - 2009-08-03 2:42 PM

One very imp point I didn't think of, mentioned by another, is that racing as Athena takes the age quotient out entirely.  That is the benefit of AG - racing with others the same age.  For me this is not an advantage since 30-34 is a fast AG.  If I were in my 20s, for instance, I would definitely race AG.



I'm almost 6' tall and currently weigh ~175, even at my "goal" weight I'll never be below 150 but I don't think I'll race Athena for exactly the reason above. I really want to see how I stack up against the other 25-29 year olds rather than a mix of ladies of different ages. I think the arguments for and against racing Athena are equally valid and really come down to individual preference.

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