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 2009-10-02 3:46 PM |
Master  2855     Kailua, Hawaii |  Subject: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cagesI got this nifty ISM Quick Draw 2 bottle cage mount for the rear.....design claimed it prevented bottle ejection...but on the first long ride, both bottles ejected ! I was surprised, they seemed really snug in the cages. |
| 2009-10-02 3:53 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
Expert 1116 Thornton, CO | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Can you take a picture or two of exactly what you have? I have cages on the back of mine and never have an issue. I know having them slanted helps to prevent them from popping out, but pictures of yours would help a lot... even a cell phone picture. |
| 2009-10-02 3:55 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
Extreme Veteran 543 South Orange | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Slanted which way? |
| 2009-10-02 4:04 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Master 1728 portland, or | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages I've used the Quick Draw system, and it is a nice system but I'm not sure it's any less prone to ejecting bottles then any of the others. Try using Gorilla Cages by X-Lab. These are the best gripping cages I've found. They're spendy, but it's worth it to not be losing your nutrition. scott |
| 2009-10-02 5:22 PM in reply to: #2439728 |
Master 2202 Canton, Michigan | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages yaqui - 2009-10-02 5:04 PM Try using Gorilla Cages by X-Lab. These are the best gripping cages I've found. They're spendy, but it's worth it to not be losing your nutrition. scott I purchased the Gorilla Cages after reading a recommendation by Birkierunner while searching the same subject in the last month or two and I ride some crap roads and haven't had an ejection since I've had them on the bike. As mentioned there pricey but I couldn't afford to lose my nutrition during my IM and think there well worth it. I think I purchased mine from Trisports, which has a couple different discounts for BT members depending on your level, if any. So with my 15% discount and free shipping it wasn't quite as painful. |
| 2009-10-02 6:00 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Loop a rubber band through the back of the cage and over the nozzle. The straighter up and down the cages are, the more likely they are to eject |
| 2009-10-02 7:21 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
Expert 1139 Austin | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages +1 on the rubber bands. I had the bottles eject twice on separate rides before I started doing this. Haven't lost one since. |
| 2009-10-02 11:55 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Master 2460 | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Duct tape also helps a LOT. |
| 2009-10-03 12:24 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Get a Neverreach, you won't ever launch it, it is bolted onto your seat. |
| 2009-10-03 5:38 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
Master 1702 Southern Ontario | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages I have Profile Design cages on my no-name rear ejection system. Between those and the Specialized bottles I found at Sportchek they don't eject. However, if I use anything other than the Specialized bottles then I have to check them after every bump. |
| 2009-10-03 5:50 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
Master 2202 Canton, Michigan | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Just curious but do you guys that use rubber bands actually use bottles on all your training rides. I can't imagine messing with rubber bands, tape, etc. Especially while I'm out for my weekly 4 to 6+ hour training rides or wanting to mess with anything while doing a race. Just seems like a hassle compared to just pushing a bottle in a cage, especially when your drinking from it every 15-30 minutes. I just picture myself getting frustrated trying to find a rubber band and getting back onto the bottle 3 or 4 times every hour. Long rides can be mental torture as it is and this would add to it for me. |
| 2009-10-03 5:53 AM in reply to: #2440407 |
| Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages rottieguy - 2009-10-03 6:50 AM Just curious but do you guys that use rubber bands actually use bottles on all your training rides. I can't imagine messing with rubber bands, tape, etc. Especially while I'm out for my weekly 4 to 6+ hour training rides or wanting to mess with anything while doing a race. Just seems like a hassle compared to just pushing a bottle in a cage, especially when your drinking from it every 15-30 minutes. I just picture myself getting frustrated trying to find a rubber band and getting back onto the bottle 3 or 4 times every hour. Long rides can be mental torture as it is and this would add to it for me. I use them on any ride over 1:30 or so. I use the bottles to refill the aero bottle between my handlebars so I only have to deal with each bottle once, so it's not a problem. |
 2009-10-03 6:23 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
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| 2009-10-03 6:34 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Or since it is for training, your jersey pockets?? Or even stop by somewhere and fill your bottles up? Gotta love how triathletes constantly overcomplicate things.  |
| 2009-10-03 7:38 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Master 2460 | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages I can't carry enough fluids on my long rides without the rack. I have 3 x 22oz bottles total, and during the summer, I'll burn through 6 total bottles on one long ride, which is in noncommercial mountain areas with only one water stop a bit over halfway through. I actually contemplated adding the aerobar bottle in addition to the 3 bottles, but turns out that would be slight (yes, only slight) overkill on my long mountain rides. The Cervelo P2C frame also makes it difficult to mount 2 frame bottles - I use the one available holder on the frame. I did try the jersey pocket, but that got annoying quickly with a big heavy full bottle, although I will switch empty bottles to my jersey if they're bouncing around back there on rough roads. Rubber bands are a good solution for training. I usually only use my frame bottle anyway (safer to reach for) and only swap the rear bottles onto the frame as needed, so the rubber band is a quick, no-lose situation. (Not so much for racing.) |
| 2009-10-03 9:11 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages Try venting your bottles just a bit if you put a lot of ice in them. I noticed they would tend to buckle a bit after the ice melted, then launch the bottle since the diameter of the bottle was smaller. I went to Polar bottles and have never launched one of them, even using the notorious PD aqua cage! |
| 2009-10-03 9:33 AM in reply to: #2440467 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages agarose2000 - 2009-10-03 8:38 AM I can't carry enough fluids on my long rides without the rack. I have 3 x 22oz bottles total, and during the summer, I'll burn through 6 total bottles on one long ride, which is in noncommercial mountain areas with only one water stop a bit over halfway through. I actually contemplated adding the aerobar bottle in addition to the 3 bottles, but turns out that would be slight (yes, only slight) overkill on my long mountain rides. The Cervelo P2C frame also makes it difficult to mount 2 frame bottles - I use the one available holder on the frame. I did try the jersey pocket, but that got annoying quickly with a big heavy full bottle, although I will switch empty bottles to my jersey if they're bouncing around back there on rough roads. I drink two 20 oz. bottles an hour. There are very few people around that have the same sort of fluid intake that I (and apparently you as well) have. I get by with a bottle or two on the bike and two in jersey pockets. Stop every 35 - 40 miles and refill. Plus it is nice to take a quick break. In a race, one bottle on the bike, slow down and get a replacement at each fluid station (which are typically every 10 - 12 miles). Oly. or shorter, you don't need more than one bottle at all to begin with, even for the most extreme drinkers. Yeah, bottles can bounce around in the jersey. I understand that completely. But if you go through a bottle every half hour, then you've gotten rid of the extra weight in an hour. I have a rear mount cage system. I've had to stop to pick up bottles. It sucks to have to do that. For me, rather then come up with some ghetto solution that is risky to try and reach back blind to unhook in traffic, I just carry them. Problem solved. My choice, nothing more or less. |
| 2009-10-03 9:54 AM in reply to: #2439728 |
Champion 5495 Whizzzzzlandia Silver member | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages yaqui - 2009-10-02 4:04 PM I've used the Quick Draw system, and it is a nice system but I'm not sure it's any less prone to ejecting bottles then any of the others. Try using Gorilla Cages by X-Lab. These are the best gripping cages I've found. They're spendy, but it's worth it to not be losing your nutrition. scott x2. My Garmin actually popped off my wrist once and landed in traffic while going over a bump.... but my bottles, in the Gorilla cages, never moved. Seriously. (!!!) |
| 2009-10-03 1:33 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Master 2460 | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages What makes these Gorilla cages so special, anyway? I have metal Elite cages that you can bend to the point that they absolutely will NOT release your bottle - even when you tug on it as hard as you can (but that kind of defeats the point LOL!) and these still eject on a long ride if I don't sporadically push the bottles back down after a number of hard jolts. I would be surprised if it's the strength of the grip alone. |
| 2009-10-03 3:02 PM in reply to: #2440810 |
| Master 2202 Canton, Michigan | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages agarose2000 - 2009-10-03 2:33 PM What makes these Gorilla cages so special, anyway? I don't know but they work and are easy for one handed in and out. I wasn't convinced that they would work when I first looked at them. While racing (HIM and above) I carry two bottles of Infinit and one bottle of water for refilling the aerodrink, so I need three spots for bottles too. I just use a cheapo Profile cage on the bike and don't have issues with it, but found that the Profile bottle holders made great launchers on the XLab Superwing where the Gorilla cages haven't lost one yet or even come close. Peace of mind while out on the bike for 6 hours is well worth it. |
| 2009-10-04 1:30 AM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Pro 4828 The Land of Ice and Snow | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages I have Profile Design carbon cages on my Xlab rear holder. I have launched once in over 4000kms........so its not an issue. |
| 2009-10-04 1:54 PM in reply to: #2439677 |
| Regular 85 memphis | Subject: RE: bottles ejecting out of rear seat cages i've put a velco band around my bottles and on the inside of the cage, works great!! |
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