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 2010-06-29 4:21 PM |
Champion  10018  , Minnesota Bronze member |  Subject: DNFing a running race on purpose?I'm signed up for a half marathon on July 4th. After I signed up, I started working with a coach who forbade me from running the race, because she felt the distance was too far this close to my half ironman. I was going to just forget about it, but I wondered about the possibility of just running my planned long run on the course and then just simply walking off after my cool down. The benefit would be having access to the water stops that I've already paid for and the fun of the race. If I did this, I would not wear my chip. I will wear my number and appear to be like everyone else. I cannot transfer my entry. Has anyone done something like this? Can you think of a downside? I thought maybe I would find a portapotty and take off my number in there, so no one is alarmed or thinks I'm trying to cut the course. I know folks have done this in tris when they cannot complete the run, and the advice is usually to give the chip to someone so the RD knows they didn't just disappear. But if I don't wear the chip to start with, I'm just a DNS to them. An no, I wouldn't wear the finisher shirt. In fact they can keep it, but I will take any coupons or giveaways in my packet |
| 2010-06-29 4:31 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Extreme Veteran 503 Central Iowa | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? How long is your planned long run? Can you run that and then walk the rest? |
| 2010-06-29 4:32 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Champion 7233   | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? |
| 2010-06-29 4:33 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? What about running some portion of it and than just a brisk walk to finish it out? You will probably still finish well before any cutoffs. |
| 2010-06-29 4:40 PM in reply to: #2951572 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? It's too much. My planned run would get me to about 8 miles. I asked the coach and she didn't want me to put on that many miles, even walking. And I am not too keen about walking 5 miles anyway... |
| 2010-06-29 4:41 PM in reply to: #2951589 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? And if anyone is curious, my husband will go with me to drop off my car and then bring me to the start. So that part's easy. |
| 2010-06-29 4:41 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? If all you're doing is treating it as a supported long run and not racing, why not do the whole thing? Yes, it's only 2 weeks out from your HIM, but if done at a regular long run training pace there should be no problem with recovery unless your run training volume has been very minimal. |
| 2010-06-29 4:42 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? When is your HIM? |
| 2010-06-29 4:43 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Expert 608 St. Louis | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? Go for a PR...help your confidence before a race...my longest run before my HIM was 14 |
| 2010-06-29 4:45 PM in reply to: #2951595 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? My HIM is on July 18th and I don't want to further question the coach. I have specifically asked her if there was any way I could do it. The was the only race where she said no. I know for sure I am only going to do my 80 min run on Sunday. I am just trying to figure out if there's a reason I can't do it on the course. I appreciate the effort and the questions. I just need to be clear that I am not considering doing 13.1 that day. |
| 2010-06-29 4:48 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
| Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? Well, since you're paying a coach, I don't see a reason why you'd go against the coach's advice, that makes no sense. And running 8 / walking 5 sounds like a terrible idea. With that said, yeah, there's an administrative hassle as far as getting picked up etc. I don't see anything wrong with it, as long as you will step off the course at 8 miles and not get "caught up" in the race. You also have to be sure you run YOUR run and don't start running as if it were a race, which would defeat the purpose of the training run. If it were me, honestly, I'd just find another route rather than dealing with crowds, race parking, etc. It's not as if you will need water/aid every mile for an 8 mile training run, you're not going to wear the shirt, so really you're not getting anything out of it by participating, and it would be more of a hassle to me just to get an 8 mile run in. Edited by ChrisM 2010-06-29 4:51 PM |
| 2010-06-29 4:49 PM in reply to: #2951602 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? BikerGrrrl - 2010-06-29 4:45 PM My HIM is on July 18th and I don't want to further question the coach. I have specifically asked her if there was any way I could do it. The was the only race where she said no. I know for sure I am only going to do my 80 min run on Sunday. I am just trying to figure out if there's a reason I can't do it on the course. I appreciate the effort and the questions. I just need to be clear that I am not considering doing 13.1 that day. With what you have said, I'd do the long run at the race as long as it's not an issue logistically,, Getting to the race, packet pickup, getting back to the car after your 8miles. just being part of the race atmosphere is fun and might give you an emotional lift as you head into your HIM |
| 2010-06-29 4:50 PM in reply to: #2951607 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? I was actually going to use the slower pace team to keep me in Z2 for the first 50 minutes, which is what the workout calls for. I figure if my car's at mile 8, then there's little chance of me not abandoning You make a good point, tho. I think I was just trying to find a way to get a little bit out of my entry fee. At least I could sleep in a little... ChrisM - 2010-06-29 4:48 PM Well, since you're paying a coach, I don't see a reason why you'd go against the coach's advice, that makes no sense. And running 8 / walking 5 sounds like a terrible idea. With that said, yeah, there's an administrative hassle as far as getting picked up etc. I don't see anything wrong with it, as long as you will step off the course at 8 miles and not get "caught up" in the race. You also have to be sure you run YOUR run and don't start running as if it were a race, which would defeat the purpose of the training run. If it were me, honestly, I'd just find another route rather than dealing with corwds, race parking, etc. It's not as if you will need water/aid every mile for an 8 mile training run, you're not going to wear the shirt, so really you're not getting anything out of it by participating, and it would be more of a hassle to me just to get an 8 mile run in. |
| 2010-06-29 4:51 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Extreme Veteran 767 Rockville, MD | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? |
| 2010-06-29 4:51 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? Only reason I asked (and I'd listen to my coach, too), is...I'm trying to figure out my own long runs leading up to my half-mary. Just interested. Good luck. |
| 2010-06-29 4:52 PM in reply to: #2951618 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? Don't I wish! nhunter344 - 2010-06-29 4:51 PM The solution is simple: Just finish the half-marathon in less than 80 minutes!  |
| 2010-06-29 5:10 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
| Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? I would do the race anyway. But I'm stubborn. |
| 2010-06-29 5:12 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? if you arre limted to only 8-miles by the coach I would just not bother. it's always a pain getting to races and you are on there schedule. just run your 8-miler from home. |
| 2010-06-29 5:22 PM in reply to: #2951653 |
| Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? tri808 - 2010-06-29 3:10 PM I would do the race anyway. But I'm stubborn. I get that. One of the reasons I stopped using a coach. I actually did get faster, but training was no longer fun and was turning into work. Couldn't do long rides/runs or races spontaneously. But if I was paying $XXX a month for coaching (and you trust the coach), it would be a waste of money to disregard their advice (sounds like she got the coach after signing up for the HM). Edited by ChrisM 2010-06-29 5:22 PM |
| 2010-06-29 5:25 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Veteran 812 | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? No downsides, and lots of upsides. I'd leave your timing chip at home. I don't know about you, but I feel much better about a recorded DNS or no entry, than a DNF. Just take it as a very social training run, and enjoy the 8 miles that you're supposed to do. |
| 2010-06-29 5:31 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? I wouldn't do the race but that is because if I show up at a race I am going to race. Regardless of what the plan was, when the gun goes off I am going to do everything in my power to go from point A to point B as quickly as possible. So I would just do the long run on my own and skip the added logistics involved in dropping out of the race at mile 8. Shane |
| 2010-06-29 6:14 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Extreme Veteran 404 Long Beach, CA | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? Just run the damn thing....unless of course money is no object and you have no problem forfeiting your entry fee for the run. I'd think that if your coach doesn't think those 2 weeks between the two races is enough recovery time, she hasn't done a very good job getting your ready for the tri anyways. |
| 2010-06-29 6:45 PM in reply to: #2951538 |
Member 151 Rock Springs, Wyoming | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? this is one heck of a complicated thread about something so simple. Its almost makes no sense to ask this question. Im baffled on BT sometimes. Go for a run around the neighberhood if you insist and there. |
| 2010-06-29 8:09 PM in reply to: #2951607 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? ChrisM - 2010-06-29 4:48 PM Well, since you're paying a coach, I don't see a reason why you'd go against the coach's advice, that makes no sense. And running 8 / walking 5 sounds like a terrible idea. With that said, yeah, there's an administrative hassle as far as getting picked up etc. I don't see anything wrong with it, as long as you will step off the course at 8 miles and not get "caught up" in the race. You also have to be sure you run YOUR run and don't start running as if it were a race, which would defeat the purpose of the training run. If it were me, honestly, I'd just find another route rather than dealing with crowds, race parking, etc. It's not as if you will need water/aid every mile for an 8 mile training run, you're not going to wear the shirt, so really you're not getting anything out of it by participating, and it would be more of a hassle to me just to get an 8 mile run in. Yeah, gotta agree with this. I did a 15 mile run as a 6 mile training run (coming off an injury)... BUT it was a 3 mile loop. So I could easily stop after 6 miles. Then I hung around to cheer on my boyfriend and friends racing. Had it been a race I was doing on my own, I wouldn't have gone at all. |
| 2010-06-29 8:10 PM in reply to: #2951741 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: DNFing a running race on purpose? undertheradar - 2010-06-29 6:14 PM Just run the damn thing....unless of course money is no object and you have no problem forfeiting your entry fee for the run. I'd think that if your coach doesn't think those 2 weeks between the two races is enough recovery time, she hasn't done a very good job getting your ready for the tri anyways. Hey now... be a bit easier on the coach. We don't know the history of the poster... or if she has been injured from running in the past, etc. We all have our own limits and training plans. Her coach has her on this training plan for a reason. Reasons we don't understand. But we don't need to. She is paying her coach... not us! |
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