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2009-12-06 11:05 PM in reply to: #394794 |
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2009-12-07 9:43 AM in reply to: #2545127 |
Extreme Veteran 484 McHenry, IL | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Here's a link showing how one guy modified his VFFs for his webbed toes. If you're handy and motivated, maybe something like this would work for you? http://birthdayshoes.com/index.php/fivefingers-for-webbed-toes-how-about-vibram-four-fingers-mod |
2009-12-07 9:54 AM in reply to: #2545491 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers jeffw85 - 2009-12-06 9:24 PM To those thinking about trying it out - get some cheap shoes first - We don't need $80-$120 shoes to run barefoot. Technically, you don't need ANY shoes to run barefoot. Otherwise, you're not running barefoot. |
2009-12-07 10:06 AM in reply to: #394794 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Are there any faster runners using this shoes exclusively for training/racing? Something like sub 1:20hr half-marathon or sub 2:45hrs marathoners? |
2009-12-07 11:11 AM in reply to: #394794 |
Master 1240 Knightdale/Raleigh | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers So would these be legal during the swim? Use some straps on the bike and you'd never have to put on or change shoes during the race. Maybe we need a cycling tri shoe that some version of these could slide in easy. I find it hard to swallow spending $80 to $120 to run barefoot, but I'm guessing you would have to wear something during most races. I come across broken glass on the roads enough that I would anyway. |
2009-12-07 11:15 AM in reply to: #394794 |
Veteran 237 Eastern WA | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers i have the kso, i love em... wear em everywhere (and get TONS of crap from co-workers ect) run about once a week for 2-3 miles...2 races since, 2 prs (ran both races in shoes)...fwiw, i credit consistant running for the prs rather than the kso's, but i still love em |
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2009-12-07 12:09 PM in reply to: #2546020 |
Master 1790 Tyler, TX | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers JorgeM - 2009-12-07 10:06 AM Are there any faster runners using this shoes exclusively for training/racing? Something like sub 1:20hr half-marathon or sub 2:45hrs marathoners? Here's a guy who ran a 2:40 marathon, though he did it barefoot, not in the VFFs. http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12069 I doubt we'll be seeing many 1:20 half marathons or 2:45 marathons until (and if) more serious young runners start believing in the whole barefoot running philosophy. Even then, I have doubts if there ever will be evidence that running barefoot or in VFFs is faster for the already-fast runners. My impression is that the larger group of early adopters of the VFFs tend to be older folk (40 yo+), aren't near the top of their age groups, and believe their running injuries stem from their shoes or running style, not from increasing mileage and/or intensity too quickly. Most of this group will never be running 1:20s or 2:45s.... That being said, I've started running a bit with the VFFs. I'm in the 40+ crowd (OK, getting closer to 50+!), run a sub 1:40 HM, and seem to get pesky running injuries in the build towards key races. I figure that building the muscles and tendons that "natural running" promotes is probably a good thing. I doubt it will make me any slower and might even make me faster and less injury prone. While I'm not planning on ditching my running shoes, I'll likely switch to a lighter pair since my current running shoes feel like bricks (but with tons of cusion!) after running in the VFFs. Brian |
2009-12-07 12:13 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Veteran 288 | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers I like the KSO version for trail running and hiking on the wet rocky trails. Barefoot running shoe = 5k marathon = Sprint Ironman |
2009-12-07 12:48 PM in reply to: #2544800 |
Extreme Veteran 418 Pittsburgh | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Elite Runners and Walkers in Robinson Twp. definitely sells them. I was there in November to hear a talk that Leslie Bonci was giving and I saw them up on the shelf. |
2009-12-07 1:16 PM in reply to: #2546329 |
Master 1324 Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers famelec - 2009-12-07 1:09 PM JorgeM - 2009-12-07 10:06 AM Are there any faster runners using this shoes exclusively for training/racing? Something like sub 1:20hr half-marathon or sub 2:45hrs marathoners? I doubt we'll be seeing many 1:20 half marathons or 2:45 marathons until (and if) more serious young runners start believing in the whole barefoot running philosophy. Even then, I have doubts if there ever will be evidence that running barefoot or in VFFs is faster for the already-fast runners. My impression is that the larger group of early adopters of the VFFs tend to be older folk (40 yo+), aren't near the top of their age groups, and believe their running injuries stem from their shoes or running style, not from increasing mileage and/or intensity too quickly. Most of this group will never be running 1:20s or 2:45s.... I generally agree. But I think part of why this demographic is willing to change is that they have the least to lose. I'm involved in a coaching group with around 30-40 athletes. I'm the only one going exclusively this way right now. And I've got the least to lose in doing so. I was never able to sustain run training of an hour in length while in regular shoes. I was always very slow running relative to my swim and bike. So I felt there was really nothing to lose by going this route. In contrast, those more successful have much to lose. Thus, the likely slower adoption. |
2009-12-07 1:53 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Member 37 | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers I purchased my KSOs in August, and as I was mid-season, I was a little reluctant to make an abrupt mid-season switch and jeopardize my scheduled (and paid for!) races. So, after B2B, I started doing tough hikes and bouldering in them, wearing them to work, and out for errands (note: the wal-mart crowd does NOT appreciate their, um, innovative design). I've been running in them for a few weeks and I'm gradually upping my mileage in them, alternating between lightweight trainers and the KSOs. I'll wear the KSOs one day and then the lightweights until all the soreness is gone. I've been running about 7:00 miles in them, so while I am not speeding along, I'm also not slogging about. Here are a few things I've noticed: 1) While I've always been a midfoot striker, I am up more on my toes. 2) My footstrike duration seems notably decreased and faster turnover. 3) The interesting sensation of my toes actually doing work 4) Less ankle instability, likely due to decreased platform height. 5) I think my arches look higher when non-weight bearing. Basically, I'm sold on these. While they may not be right for every runner, they work well for me, and I plan to race in them in the spring. Point to Ponder: My husband (a biologist) and I have been discussing the utility of these shoes in terms of the evolution of the foot and shock absorbing features in humans. Born to Run (highly entertaining!) discusses the existence of the persistence hunter and their long-distance, barefoot hunting techniques with regard to the fact that we have evolved from said persistence hunters. What we have been musing is that foot structure (width, length, arch height) tends to have a genetic component. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the "hunter foot" would persist in some cultures as opposed to others? And continuing on that train of thought, it seems that faster, toe-striking individuals in persistence hunting societies would self-select as hunters while those with lower arches and/or less natural running ability might self select to other activities. So, I am not convinced that barefoot running will fix all our foot ailments, especially when considering the innate difficulty of changing a genetically determined anatomical structure. It certainly could increase injury rate among some individuals. I'd like to see a well controlled study that looked at barefoot vs. shod running amongst and between groups of people with different foot types. |
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2009-12-07 1:54 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Member 37 | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Sorry for the giant paragraph! My spacing disappeared! |
2009-12-09 7:54 AM in reply to: #394794 |
Master 1324 Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Anyone try running in the snow with these? Try them with YakTrax? Just curious if any VFF wearer has dealt with snow and ice or been forced to the treadmill. |
2009-12-09 7:47 PM in reply to: #2545127 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers wbayek - 2009-12-06 12:07 PM I'd love to try them as I love bare feet, but I have two webbed toes. The website says specifically that they won't work for you. |
2009-12-10 11:06 AM in reply to: #394794 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers I hear that they are coming out with a distance run specific model next year.... my wife is going to wait for the new ones. |
2009-12-10 12:27 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Master 1324 Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Ok, so today was a HTFU day weather wise. I tried my first Vibram KSO run in the snow/slush. I do not recommend doing this. The KSOs have holes between the toes to help vent air and allow water to escape. They were originally designed as river shoes. The snow and slush was seeping into the shoes between my toes. And my toes got somewhat numb. Not a major problem on short runs like the 30 minutes I did today. But I don’t think it would be a good idea for longer and/or colder times.
I know Vibram makes a cold weather version. That might be more appropriate for this time of year. Either that, or learn to accept the dreadmill. |
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2009-12-10 12:38 PM in reply to: #394794 |
1 | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers yea it's hard to wear the vibrams when its cold, my fee freeze! but if you wear it with some thick socks it really does help. i'd totally recommend <a href="http://barefootrunningshoes.org/accessories/five-finger-socks/">these:</a> http://barefootrunningshoes.org/accessories/five-finger-socks/ |
2009-12-10 5:31 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Master 1993 Riverside, IL | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Anyone do any treadmill runs with the VFF's? I don't do cold weather running, due to asthma. I'd like to give the VFF's a try...simply because I'm curious about them. But all of my running in the winter months, is done on the gym treadmills. Would I get the same benefits out of them, using the TM vs. outdoor running? I've actually seen one guy at my gym wearing them, but he didn't run in them...he just did his weight lifting routine wearing them. Which type would be most appropriate for treadmill running? Do any of you wear toe socks while wearing them? And also, what would be an ideal amount of time/mileage for a very first run in them? |
2009-12-10 9:16 PM in reply to: #2553273 |
Master 1790 Tyler, TX | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers nscrbug - 2009-12-10 5:31 PM Anyone do any treadmill runs with the VFF's? I don't do cold weather running, due to asthma. I'd like to give the VFF's a try...simply because I'm curious about them. But all of my running in the winter months, is done on the gym treadmills. Would I get the same benefits out of them, using the TM vs. outdoor running? I've actually seen one guy at my gym wearing them, but he didn't run in them...he just did his weight lifting routine wearing them. Which type would be most appropriate for treadmill running? Do any of you wear toe socks while wearing them? And also, what would be an ideal amount of time/mileage for a very first run in them? I'm sure that running on the treadmill would be fine. Never tried the socks. My first run was only a mile, and that was enough to develop calf soreness! I did four one mile runs in the VFFs my first week, followed by my regular runs in running shoes. The second week I built the weekly mileage to a total of 6 miles. This is my third week and I'll get in only six miles in the VFFs due to travel, but I probably would have done 8 otherwise. This progression seems to be working well for me. Brian |
2009-12-10 11:52 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers I don't run a lot, but my first week barefoot, I did 5 x 30 seconds, 10 x 30 seconds and 5 x 60 seconds on 3 different runs with no discomfort whatsoever. |
2009-12-11 7:30 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Expert 1148 Santa Fe, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers Mine came today! I'm so excited and have worn them around the office for much of the day. Question: The left foot fits like a glove - very comfortable. The fourth and fifth finger of the right foot feel kind of tight and not so comfortable. Do you think I should order the next size up and try them? anyone have experience with this? Thanks |
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2009-12-11 8:06 PM in reply to: #2553273 |
Master 1324 Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers nscrbug - 2009-12-10 6:31 PM Anyone do any treadmill runs with the VFF's? I don't do cold weather running, due to asthma. I'd like to give the VFF's a try...simply because I'm curious about them. But all of my running in the winter months, is done on the gym treadmills. Would I get the same benefits out of them, using the TM vs. outdoor running? I've actually seen one guy at my gym wearing them, but he didn't run in them...he just did his weight lifting routine wearing them. Which type would be most appropriate for treadmill running? Do any of you wear toe socks while wearing them? And also, what would be an ideal amount of time/mileage for a very first run in them? They are fine on the TM, if thats what you like to run on. I'd recommend 5 minutes in them your first time out. IF that goes well, try 10 minutes. You will likely be sore in your calves and achilles. Stay at your given distance until doing it doesnt make you sore any more. Then build again, 5 minutes at a time. You just have to listen to your body and feel what its ready for.
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2009-12-11 8:19 PM in reply to: #394794 |
Extreme Veteran 626 Wahiawa, Hawaii.... but now in Florence, KY.. | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers i've had my vff's for maybe 7 weeks? the first week i ran 1 mile in them, next week, 1.5, next week 2 miles... built up slow ... the way i gauged it was if my feet weren't sore after a run, add a mile next run, if they were sore, stick to the same distance. my farthest run in them is 6 miles in them so far. i like them so much that i now hate my regular running shoes. I also had issues with fit, left foot felt fine but rightfoot was a little tight, i ended up returning them and went 1 size up and am very happy with them now. |
2009-12-11 8:34 PM in reply to: #2545149 |
Extreme Veteran 494 Augusta, GA | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers jgerbodegrant - 2009-12-06 2:23 PM Anyone know how these work for people with flat feet? My second toe on my left foot is also about a half cm longer than my big toe...any issues you think? I have flat feet, overpronate and use orthotics in my trainers. I suffered from shin splints, and ultimately, stress fractures so I bought my VFF to specifically learn a mid foot strike. It is helping but it is important to start with short runs. You calves and achilles will be sore for a while. My plan is to shed the VFF once my feet toughen up. I think this is the answer for my flat feet. I have also read where barefoot running will strengthen the arch and may correct some low arch issues. |
2009-12-11 8:58 PM in reply to: #2555226 |
Veteran 288 | Subject: RE: Vibram Five Fingers jashac - 2009-12-11 8:30 PM Mine came today! I'm so excited and have worn them around the office for much of the day. Question: The left foot fits like a glove - very comfortable. The fourth and fifth finger of the right foot feel kind of tight and not so comfortable. Do you think I should order the next size up and try them? anyone have experience with this? Thanks You have to go by the longest toe usually, if your little toes are hitting the end of the toe pockets you have some long toes and may need to get the bigger size. If your little toes aren't hitting the ends and are just tight I would wait a little and see if they break in and feel better. If there is a store nearby I would go there and recheck some other sizes and or styles. Even different VFF the same size and style may fit slightly different, I exchanged my KSO's once already and the second pair fits a little tighter than the first same size. |
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