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2006-05-20 11:59 AM

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Subject: Camelback during a race (bike leg)
Does anyone know of a reason NOT to use a camelback during the bike leg of a race?  I find them FAR easier to drink from without breaking my cadence.  I'm looking at an olympic tomorrow and have used the camelback on every ride I've done over 20 miles.  (I live in the desert...)  I'm reasonably certain that I can get in and out of it quickly.  Thoughts?


2006-05-20 12:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelback during a race (bike leg)

I have been known to do a long ride or two with my Camelback ... and love the ease of staying hydrated.  That said, it has it's draw backs:

 (a) it is difficult to guage how much liquid you have consumed (important factor to ensure that you are hydrated for the run;
 (b) it might get hot on your back and (c) you ought to drink something more than water; 
 (c) those bladders are a PIA to clean sticky stuff out of;
 (d) [insert what I have forgotted .....]

Other than that, I cannot see a reason why not to use it  ... just be sure that regardless of what you use that you drink at least 24 oz./hour - complete with some complex sugars + can help with electrolyte replentishment.

Good luck tomorrow!

2006-05-20 1:26 PM
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I'm planning to fill it with gatorade.  They can be a pain to clean, but if you soak them even sticky stuff comes out eventually.  If I drink the whole thing it should be plenty to get me through the run.  And that will be MUCH easier for me to do with the camelback than with 2 20oz bottles because I can take a sip every few minutes. 

Thanks!

2006-05-20 1:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelback during a race (bike leg)
You are right about it being difficult to gauge though - I may put a full bottle on the bike as well and shoot to go over rather than under.  The great thing about single-digit humidity is that isn't really hard....
2006-05-20 1:37 PM
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used my 2l camelbak today on my training ride - got through that, about another 500ml electrolyte drink and about 300/400ml water. also took a go bar with me for energy.

 

seemed fine.

 

btw i did 30 miles in 3 hours so it was a toughy and it pissed it down!

2006-05-20 2:38 PM
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I used my camelbak during an Olympic and two sprints last year.  I filled it with Gatoraid and filled my water bottle with water.  I find it much easieir to drink from it rather than reaching down for my water bottle. (Over the years, I've fallen off my bike too many times while growing up that I'm not comfortable reaching down for a water bottle while going 18 mph.)   Honestly, I don't think it slowed me down any during the race.  On the bike, I finished the gatoraid and my hydration was near where it should have been. 

 

Good luck with your race tomorrow!



2006-05-20 2:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelback during a race (bike leg)
I have done my three races with a camelback. I agree it can add heat. But I mountain bike too and it is just something you deal with. Each generation gets better at venting. I usually fill mine with water and use the bottle for gatorade etc. One thing I do to ensure I drink is set the timer on the watch to beep every so many minutes and drink a little bit. I end up drinking more that way then if I had to reach down for a water bottle.

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2006-05-20 6:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelback during a race (bike leg)
I had a brutal crash in a mt bike race while trying to drink from a water bottle... Since then I have used a camel back everytime I ride/race.
2006-05-20 7:51 PM
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I used one during a 1/2 IM I recently did.

The negs I can think of are:

1.  If you forgot it, you're sol until a water station.  Water bottles are already attached so now you have one more thing to remember after the swim.  During t1, there's so much going on, you may forget it. 

2.  To me, it's not the most comfortable thing, carrying a pack on your back.  Since you may be wearing a tri top, parts of the pack straps can be cafing you. 

3.  When you're done, you can't unload it like an empty water bottle at a water station.  You got to carry it the whole way. 

4.  If you get very aero, the thing will start to slid forward toward your head.  

5.  Like others said, you can't gauge how much you have drank or how much you have left.

That's all I can think of that I had thought of or ran into during my race. 

 

2006-05-21 2:43 AM
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After reading this thread, I think all of the arguments against a Camelback are really weak. Go ahead and race with the thing. You'll be fine. Dealing with it in transition won't ruin your race time, and you'll drink more because it will be more convenient than grabbing a bottle. Worst case scenario: you forget to put the thing on. Big deal. For an Olympic distance race, you can get by just fine with aid stations alone.

If you consider the aerodynamics of both carrying fluid and taking a drink, Camelbacks are the best (versus bottles on the seat tube and behind the saddle...I don't know how they compare to the aerodrink). Considering all the ridiculous little excuses triathletes already have for the things they do (*cough* shaved legs *cough*), I'm surprised that fact alone doesn't make everyone use Camelbacks in races.

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2006-05-21 7:43 AM
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I have a belt style camelback that I attach to my handlebars for long rides. I can reach down to grab the pipeline easily, and if it's attached ahead of time, there's nothing to forget.


2006-05-21 12:30 PM
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Seems like a total "do your own thing" deal to me. If you like using your camelbak, go for it. Personally, I've never used one, nor had a desire to -- but that's just me.

What I do find amusing is watching people lug camelbaks through a marathon, when there's a h2o stop virtually every mile. Seems like wasted effort to me.

2006-05-21 12:55 PM
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kenail - 2006-05-21 12:30 PM Seems like a total "do your own thing" deal to me. If you like using your camelbak, go for it. Personally, I've never used one, nor had a desire to -- but that's just me. What I do find amusing is watching people lug camelbaks through a marathon, when there's a h2o stop virtually every mile. Seems like wasted effort to me.

Got to agree there, almost as funny as seeing someone run a 5K with a 6-bottle Fuelbelt.

2006-05-21 1:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Camelback during a race (bike leg)
I use a camelback - I am too un coordinated to reach down and get a bottle.  last race I sucked the mouthpeice right off of the tube, giving me a refreshing sprinkler attached to my back for the rest of the race....   good thing I was down off that hill and heading into T2 when it happened!
2006-05-21 1:07 PM
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the bear - 2006-05-21 1:55 PM

Got to agree there, almost as funny as seeing someone run a 5K with a 6-bottle Fuelbelt.


Nah, you win -- that is funnier...

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2006-05-21 6:34 PM
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I use a camelback on my olies 50 oz er and I usually have one bottle with gatorade. I freeze the camelback about half full then fill it the rest of the way up when I get to the race. It's easy on, easy off, makes drinking a bit easier and you will have colder water longer, especially if you are a desert dweller.

I keep my spare tube and tire change stuff in it as well.



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2006-05-23 2:15 AM
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I use a 1.5L camelback too. Filled it up with gatorade. Make it a bit concentrated and before the race add ice cubes. During the bike leg, cool gatorade at my disposal . Useful for me since I'm in the equator..hot! hot! Experiment with it during training to get the taste right after the cubes have melted.

Do what works for you!!
2006-05-23 6:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Camelback during a race (bike leg)

Two Negatives not already mentioned:

  1. Having all of that weight up on your back alters your sense of gravity, affecting how your bike handles. If you're not prepared for it, it can be a bit surprising.
  2. Having all of that weight on your back can cause back pain.

I raced MTBs for several seasons and really had to get used to riding with a CamelBack for those reasons.

2006-05-23 6:58 AM
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I'd say go for it. I've been using mine for various and sundry activities for years. Best damn invention ever.

As for cleaning it when you're done.....

Use denture tabs. Those tabs that you drop in a glass of water with dentures is pretty much the exact same thing as the cleaning tabs that Camelback sells for about 5x more. They work pretty good, too, although I've only ever filled mine with water.
2006-05-23 7:05 AM
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the bear - 2006-05-21 12:55 PM

kenail - 2006-05-21 12:30 PM Seems like a total "do your own thing" deal to me. If you like using your camelbak, go for it. Personally, I've never used one, nor had a desire to -- but that's just me. What I do find amusing is watching people lug camelbaks through a marathon, when there's a h2o stop virtually every mile. Seems like wasted effort to me.

Got to agree there, almost as funny as seeing someone run a 5K with a 6-bottle Fuelbelt.

Not as bad as a 6-bottle belt, but at my last 5k it was mid 40's, windy and rainy and a guy had a 20 oz. bottle full of Gatorade in a belt pack.  I didn't get a chance to chuckle about it because I never caught up to him.  I think he took third in about 20 minutes.

 

2006-05-23 9:05 AM
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run4yrlif - 2006-05-23 4:18 AM

Two Negatives not already mentioned:

  1. Having all of that weight up on your back alters your sense of gravity, affecting how your bike handles. If you're not prepared for it, it can be a bit surprising.
  2. Having all of that weight on your back can cause back pain.

I raced MTBs for several seasons and really had to get used to riding with a CamelBack for those reasons.

Jim makes some good points. Make sure you have used it in your training. On long rides here in Nevada I often use a hydration system with two blatters 100oz each and another frozen 20oz bike bottle plus sandals, bike cable lock and some munchies. When I put the 70oz CB on it's not that noticeable but it I still know it's there.



2006-05-23 9:41 AM
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I'm planning on using mine during the HIM; I'd rather not, but I have had no luck in tolerating the planned course drink. I will also likely be the last biker, and I am paranoid about them running out of stuff. Also, I have to coast while I pull out and drink; I guess I'm just not very talented. I'm planning on filling it with 500 calories of Powerade; I'll use the aid stations for water, so I can stay on top of it. I signed my sister up for one of the bike aid stations, and I may just hand it off to her. I use is for mountain biking all the time; my back does get sweaty, but there is an absorbent pad to soak it up (hmmmm, maybe I should wash it?)
2006-05-23 11:36 AM
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the bear - 2006-05-21 10:55 AM

kenail - 2006-05-21 12:30 PM Seems like a total "do your own thing" deal to me. If you like using your camelbak, go for it. Personally, I've never used one, nor had a desire to -- but that's just me. What I do find amusing is watching people lug camelbaks through a marathon, when there's a h2o stop virtually every mile. Seems like wasted effort to me.

Got to agree there, almost as funny as seeing someone run a 5K with a 6-bottle Fuelbelt.



That and a MP3 player...FLAME ON!

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2006-05-23 11:40 AM
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hangloose - 2006-05-23 7:05 AM

Not as bad as a 6-bottle belt, but at my last 5k it was mid 40's, windy and rainy and a guy had a 20 oz. bottle full of Gatorade in a belt pack.  I didn't get a chance to chuckle about it because I never caught up to him.  I think he took third in about 20 minutes.

WHEN would he possibly have time to drink? Probably could have left it in his car and drank when he got back.



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2006-05-23 11:47 AM
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I will be the devils advocate here and say that I think that a camelback is overkill (way much overkill) for any triathlon.

The only reason to carry 3-4 pounds of liquid is where you are in a situation where you are not going to be able to get to water (ie epic MTB rides, unsupported 3+ hour training rides in the desert and like that). Tris are well supported. The long ones have bottle hand-ups and the shorter ones have water stops on the run. Why waste time in transition fooling around with a backpack full of water.

For an oly, a single bottle (two if it's real hot or you are slow) should suffice. Just take water at the stops on the run to top off.

If you can't drink from a bottle while riding a straight line, that is just a skill you need to master. Practice it.

 

With that said, I do know that some of the top tour riders wear camelbacks UNDER their skinsuits on the TT to enhance their aerodynamic profile.

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