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2021-06-22 10:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!!

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So ... i just got a note that Tremblant is cancelled - finding out it's both the 70.3 and full distances. Sucks! A ton of deferral options for US races and full refund. 

I think i'll take the refund and assess what 2022 looks like. Super bummed. 

Oh no! That's awful!  I mean, they punted it to the fall and now this!  Ugh.

 

Now I'm reading that the IM contract for Mont Tremblant is in question (expires this year, has not yet been renewed).  That Tremblant may want to do Super League instead?

[/Oh wow, sorry this happened, but I guess I'm not surprised considering the border is still closed. Still it's a bummer for everyone who's been training. Interesting that the contract may not be renewed.   Assuming what you're hearing is true, I wonder why no to IM but yes to Super League? Fewer people, so less impact on residents? 

ETA: I really didn't know anything about Super League - and still don't, but it seems like limited sprint distances races around the globe. 

 

For sure. I definitely think 'buyer beware' as Penticton, BC found out when they had Challenge take over IM and the numbers tanked. Maybe just a negotiating technique but at the same time Ironman is a very consistent draw with people spending big bucks. I would be sad to see it go as i do really feel it is one of the best destinations races. It's perfectly set up for the volume of people - so many good accommodation options. Really beautiful. Anyway. 

It could be something as simple as Ironman wanting to keep the covid fallout to 2020 and 2021 on their books and a desire to start 2022 with a clean slate, not races filled with deferrals.

ST has  a discussion going about the future of the race. One side says the locals love it, it brings in tons of money and the other says anyone outside of hospitality business are sick of the events and the partial closure of the one fast road going from Quebec to the area. The latter apparently coming from people living in the area. So, it will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

So maybe it comes down to local approval both this year and moving forward? I mean, they let people attend in-person hockey games in Montreal (inside) but not outside endurance events?  Anyway, it super sucks for those who were signed up.

Definitely stinks for them.



2021-06-22 11:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!!

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by juniperjen

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by juniperjen

So ... i just got a note that Tremblant is cancelled - finding out it's both the 70.3 and full distances. Sucks! A ton of deferral options for US races and full refund. 

I think i'll take the refund and assess what 2022 looks like. Super bummed. 

Oh no! That's awful!  I mean, they punted it to the fall and now this!  Ugh.

 

Now I'm reading that the IM contract for Mont Tremblant is in question (expires this year, has not yet been renewed).  That Tremblant may want to do Super League instead?

[/Oh wow, sorry this happened, but I guess I'm not surprised considering the border is still closed. Still it's a bummer for everyone who's been training. Interesting that the contract may not be renewed.   Assuming what you're hearing is true, I wonder why no to IM but yes to Super League? Fewer people, so less impact on residents? 

ETA: I really didn't know anything about Super League - and still don't, but it seems like limited sprint distances races around the globe. 

 

For sure. I definitely think 'buyer beware' as Penticton, BC found out when they had Challenge take over IM and the numbers tanked. Maybe just a negotiating technique but at the same time Ironman is a very consistent draw with people spending big bucks. I would be sad to see it go as i do really feel it is one of the best destinations races. It's perfectly set up for the volume of people - so many good accommodation options. Really beautiful. Anyway. 

It could be something as simple as Ironman wanting to keep the covid fallout to 2020 and 2021 on their books and a desire to start 2022 with a clean slate, not races filled with deferrals.

ST has  a discussion going about the future of the race. One side says the locals love it, it brings in tons of money and the other says anyone outside of hospitality business are sick of the events and the partial closure of the one fast road going from Quebec to the area. The latter apparently coming from people living in the area. So, it will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

So maybe it comes down to local approval both this year and moving forward? I mean, they let people attend in-person hockey games in Montreal (inside) but not outside endurance events?  Anyway, it super sucks for those who were signed up.

Definitely stinks for them.

I find the locals business interesting because many towns and cities have the same issue. Apparently many locals in Kona hate the IMWC and we heard that in Penticton when we went for IMC in 2007 but when it was actually gone it did make a difference to the town. My sister used to live in cottage country here and she got used to just not bothering to grocery shopping on the weekends, because there's no point in getting upset about it in the summer time. Some people are grumpy no matter what. I also live in a big city where there are usually big festivals and events all summer long and someone has to complain and having grown up in a small town i say 'go live in one of the town where nothing ever happpens' 

Tremblant is a tourist destination - there's not much there not for the ski hill and environs.  There are events there every weekend in the summer plus it's a busy ski hill in the winter. There's a big yoga fest, 24-hour mountain bike event, a jazz fest. The only different for IM is the partial highway closure. And it's not even that long. It's a two loop course that uses one side of a divided highway for only part of it. I know when i did the full we went up for a training weekend and Tremblant has been working to make itself a training destination for triathletes. 

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Subject: RE: Manatees Dooo Eeeet!!!
Originally posted by juniperjen

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Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by juniperjen

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by juniperjen

So ... i just got a note that Tremblant is cancelled - finding out it's both the 70.3 and full distances. Sucks! A ton of deferral options for US races and full refund. 

I think i'll take the refund and assess what 2022 looks like. Super bummed. 

Oh no! That's awful!  I mean, they punted it to the fall and now this!  Ugh.

 

Now I'm reading that the IM contract for Mont Tremblant is in question (expires this year, has not yet been renewed).  That Tremblant may want to do Super League instead?

[/Oh wow, sorry this happened, but I guess I'm not surprised considering the border is still closed. Still it's a bummer for everyone who's been training. Interesting that the contract may not be renewed.   Assuming what you're hearing is true, I wonder why no to IM but yes to Super League? Fewer people, so less impact on residents? 

ETA: I really didn't know anything about Super League - and still don't, but it seems like limited sprint distances races around the globe. 

 

For sure. I definitely think 'buyer beware' as Penticton, BC found out when they had Challenge take over IM and the numbers tanked. Maybe just a negotiating technique but at the same time Ironman is a very consistent draw with people spending big bucks. I would be sad to see it go as i do really feel it is one of the best destinations races. It's perfectly set up for the volume of people - so many good accommodation options. Really beautiful. Anyway. 

It could be something as simple as Ironman wanting to keep the covid fallout to 2020 and 2021 on their books and a desire to start 2022 with a clean slate, not races filled with deferrals.

ST has  a discussion going about the future of the race. One side says the locals love it, it brings in tons of money and the other says anyone outside of hospitality business are sick of the events and the partial closure of the one fast road going from Quebec to the area. The latter apparently coming from people living in the area. So, it will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

So maybe it comes down to local approval both this year and moving forward? I mean, they let people attend in-person hockey games in Montreal (inside) but not outside endurance events?  Anyway, it super sucks for those who were signed up.

Definitely stinks for them.

I find the locals business interesting because many towns and cities have the same issue. Apparently many locals in Kona hate the IMWC and we heard that in Penticton when we went for IMC in 2007 but when it was actually gone it did make a difference to the town. My sister used to live in cottage country here and she got used to just not bothering to grocery shopping on the weekends, because there's no point in getting upset about it in the summer time. Some people are grumpy no matter what. I also live in a big city where there are usually big festivals and events all summer long and someone has to complain and having grown up in a small town i say 'go live in one of the town where nothing ever happpens' 

Tremblant is a tourist destination - there's not much there not for the ski hill and environs.  There are events there every weekend in the summer plus it's a busy ski hill in the winter. There's a big yoga fest, 24-hour mountain bike event, a jazz fest. The only different for IM is the partial highway closure. And it's not even that long. It's a two loop course that uses one side of a divided highway for only part of it. I know when i did the full we went up for a training weekend and Tremblant has been working to make itself a training destination for triathletes. 





We live in a similar town. Pretty small town, but right on a world class fishing destination river. So we get a pretty big influx of people in the summer, especially in July. The locals tend to dislike all of the people coming in, the crowds, the trash left behind, etc. They tend to especially dislike all of the folks that come down from the big city (Anchorage). But I think it's pretty good for businesses - we have a ton of tourist led businesses here - and we have local sales tax so it provides a revenue stream for the communities here. I used to live up in the big city and came down here every summer for exactly the same reasons, so I have a pretty high tolerance level for "those people" given that I used to be one of them. If you can embrace the positives of what these types of events bring to your community, things are good. If you are someone who only sees the negative and wants to keep your community quiet and to yourself, it generally leads to pretty poor attitude towards it all.



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