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 2013-11-25 2:38 PM in reply to: marcag |
Expert  1260    Norton Shores, MI |  Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPENOriginally posted by marcag Originally posted by brigby1 Yes, I will probably go. But I want to qualify for the 200. By the way, you do not need to qualify. Anyone can come. But if you don't meet the standard at the meet, you are DNF'd. I did post something on ST and I have a couple of discussions with a couple of people and I am zeroing in on what I need to improve The obvious is I am a faster short distance than long distance. My first reaction was this is the wrong way to be. Now I am thinking it's not so bad to be good at 200m It hit me when Rappstar posted that to be a top pro you needed to be 2:10 for 200lcm. I asked "why 200m as a reference". The answer was that to follow the top guys, you needed to surge and to surge you needed 200m speed. That's point A Then triathlete.com posted an article (today) that drafting saves 5-10s/100m. Cool. But the problem I always had was finding some to draft. At the beginning of the race it's a mess, no way you can find the right guy. A few minutes into the race you should be able to find the guys around your speed. If you draft them, sure you get some energy savings. But you are not going faster. So going back to point A, if you start the race, consider it a surge, ignore everyone, go hard, then after a few minutes, the fast guys are around. Latch on to their feet, but even if they are 3-4 secs faster at their HIM or IM pace, who cares, you are benefiting from their draft and you are at your normal effort, but 4 secs faster. So short distance (200-300m) speed is important. If you have the choice to improve 200m speed or 1500m I wonder which is more valuable Is the theory nuts ? PS : It sucks to be Arend :-) You will always be a draftee and not a drafter :-) Like seriously, how many people actually go faster ? The only advantage is the fast guys are probably easier to spot when everyone else is behind. Curious too. Are you looking to go? I'm about the same time off for each of the 100 & 200, so have the reverse profile you do. Can't really sprint, but can hold it for awhile. Drives up the curiosity for the 400 & 800. Though not sure of a meet in the area with an 800. One takes an 800 split out of the 1500, but that seems hard to do. Not sure I could afford to go if I even make qualification times, but have to do that first. Interesting. Another thing worth noting is that drafting seems to come more into play the closer you are to 30 minutes for a HIM swim as people are good swimmers and can actually swim a straight line. I feel like drafting at or above a 34-35 minute level is very rarely a good idea...possibly can cost you more time (i.e. going off course, zig zagging, etc..). I really want to get in to the low 30s for HIM swim, draft more and get on the bike with better bikers! |
| 2013-11-25 2:43 PM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by brigby1 Yes, I will probably go. But I want to qualify for the 200. By the way, you do not need to qualify. Anyone can come. But if you don't meet the standard at the meet, you are DNF'd. I did post something on ST and I have a couple of discussions with a couple of people and I am zeroing in on what I need to improve The obvious is I am a faster short distance than long distance. My first reaction was this is the wrong way to be. Now I am thinking it's not so bad to be good at 200m It hit me when Rappstar posted that to be a top pro you needed to be 2:10 for 200lcm. I asked "why 200m as a reference". The answer was that to follow the top guys, you needed to surge and to surge you needed 200m speed. That's point A Then triathlete.com posted an article (today) that drafting saves 5-10s/100m. Cool. But the problem I always had was finding some to draft. At the beginning of the race it's a mess, no way you can find the right guy. A few minutes into the race you should be able to find the guys around your speed. If you draft them, sure you get some energy savings. But you are not going faster. So going back to point A, if you start the race, consider it a surge, ignore everyone, go hard, then after a few minutes, the fast guys are around. Latch on to their feet, but even if they are 3-4 secs faster at their HIM or IM pace, who cares, you are benefiting from their draft and you are at your normal effort, but 4 secs faster. Jordan is chasing the first or second group, hence his need to surge. I am chasing the guy 5sec/100m faster than me. So short distance (200-300m) speed is important. If you have the choice to improve 200m speed or 1500m I wonder which is more valuable Is the theory nuts ? PS : It sucks to be Arend :-) You will always be a draftee and not a drafter :-) Like seriously, how many people actually go faster ? The only advantage is the fast guys are probably easier to spot when everyone else is behind. Curious too. Are you looking to go? I'm about the same time off for each of the 100 & 200, so have the reverse profile you do. Can't really sprint, but can hold it for awhile. Drives up the curiosity for the 400 & 800. Though not sure of a meet in the area with an 800. One takes an 800 split out of the 1500, but that seems hard to do. Not sure I could afford to go if I even make qualification times, but have to do that first. Makes sense to me. 100 yds out, everyone is surging with race adrenaline and thinking they can go faster than they can. by 200 yds/meters, that crowd has thinned for the most part to those that maynot be able to hold 200 yd speed, but can hold a decent 1500 meter pace, and those are the guys to draft off of. The really fast guys, the 25 HIMs and 50 IMs, are long gone by 100 anyway In all my races I've probably had 4 or 5 where I did a really good job drafitng, meaning I was able to find someone going X + 5 sec /100, where i am X. BTW, just my experience but it the draftee is a good navigator not only do you save time drafting, you save time navigating in a wave start situation as they will generally split the crowd ahead of you, allowing you to follow right through before the wave closes in again.... |
| 2013-11-25 2:53 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Extreme Veteran 5722  | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN It was cool hanging around with swimmers at the meet. Swim meets are very social because you sit around for hours waiting for your 3min of effort. Lots of time to chat The "bike with bikers, swim with swimmers" thing" : very very very true. Stay away from people with 910xts on their wrist :-) |
| 2013-11-25 3:11 PM in reply to: marcag |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN I've seen the same the same info. One reason I'm looking to swim a 200 and a longer event (400, 500, 1500, etc) at future meets. Wasn't sure how I'd respond in the last one as the 400 was the first event. Think I should be ok. And since we're age groupers, I'd be more inclined to weigh the 1500 ability a little more than the 200 as we'll have more people around. Not that it's ALL 1500, but making sure to handle the distance. A pro would need to weigh the 200 more than we would as they HAVE to make the pack or they're on their own. We're just looking for a little better spot in the line. I also need the fitness to get through a half hour or so swim without ill effects as that's been a big issue in the past for long course. Didn't matter how easy I went, it just drained me. Something interesting for me is that hard start, as I always do better by working my way into something (regardless of sport), as opposed to bolting out and settling in. Though I don't really work with draft packs. I think Simpson and TJ Fry might be in Arend's age group, if he wants to try for that? |
| 2013-11-25 3:40 PM in reply to: marcag |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by brigby1 Yes, I will probably go. But I want to qualify for the 200. By the way, you do not need to qualify. Anyone can come. But if you don't meet the standard at the meet, you are DNF'd. I did post something on ST and I have a couple of discussions with a couple of people and I am zeroing in on what I need to improve The obvious is I am a faster short distance than long distance. My first reaction was this is the wrong way to be. Now I am thinking it's not so bad to be good at 200m It hit me when Rappstar posted that to be a top pro you needed to be 2:10 for 200lcm. I asked "why 200m as a reference". The answer was that to follow the top guys, you needed to surge and to surge you needed 200m speed. That's point A Then triathlete.com posted an article (today) that drafting saves 5-10s/100m. Cool. But the problem I always had was finding some to draft. At the beginning of the race it's a mess, no way you can find the right guy. A few minutes into the race you should be able to find the guys around your speed. If you draft them, sure you get some energy savings. But you are not going faster. So going back to point A, if you start the race, consider it a surge, ignore everyone, go hard, then after a few minutes, the fast guys are around. Latch on to their feet, but even if they are 3-4 secs faster at their HIM or IM pace, who cares, you are benefiting from their draft and you are at your normal effort, but 4 secs faster. Jordan is chasing the first or second group, hence his need to surge. I am chasing the guy 5sec/100m faster than me. So short distance (200-300m) speed is important. If you have the choice to improve 200m speed or 1500m I wonder which is more valuable Is the theory nuts ? PS : It sucks to be Arend :-) You will always be a draftee and not a drafter :-) Like seriously, how many people actually go faster ? The only advantage is the fast guys are probably easier to spot when everyone else is behind. Curious too. Are you looking to go? I'm about the same time off for each of the 100 & 200, so have the reverse profile you do. Can't really sprint, but can hold it for awhile. Drives up the curiosity for the 400 & 800. Though not sure of a meet in the area with an 800. One takes an 800 split out of the 1500, but that seems hard to do. Not sure I could afford to go if I even make qualification times, but have to do that first. This is absolutely right Marc. Get out fast and when the pace settles down you find someone going just a bit faster. That's what got me 54 mins at IMMT. I went hard for the first 300m or so and then things settled down and groups started forming. I was following one guy and then I saw a line of guys creeping by on my right. I went over to them and the guy I was following fell back. I stuck with that group the whole way. It easily saved me a couple of minutes. In a big race like that I can almost always find someone to follow. In small local races, not so much - I'm usually on my own and my reasoning for going out hard is to not let anyone tag along. and Ben, you are right. Both TJ and Bo are in my AG. Screwed! |
| 2013-11-25 3:54 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa Both TJ and Bo are in my AG. Screwed! Canadian rankings 1500 M FREE 2013 25m MEN 35-39 1 GILBERT DUPLESSIS'76 LAV QC 17:29.26 MTL APR 13 97 532 2 BO SIMPSON'77 UNAT AB 17:31.19 CGY APR 13 97 529 3 THIERRY MARIN'75 CASE QC 17:55.98 CSL MAR 13 94 493 4 BAERACH ANDERSON'75 EMSC AB 17:58.50 NEP MAY 13 94 490 5 CHRYSTIAN GAUVIN'74 CASE QC 18:00.90 CSL MAR 13 94 486 6 MICHAEL KEHLE'77 PC QC 19:01.03 MTL APR 13 89 413 7 DALE ROBINSON'74 UBC BC 19:08.08 NEP MAY 13 88 406 8 PETER GJALTEMA'75 CLAR ON 19:24.03 NEP MAY 13 87 389 9 ALEXANDRE HARVEY'77 PC QC 19:32.82 MTL APR 13 86 381 10 MARTIN MCEWEN'74 LASL QC 19:53.45 CSL MAR 13 85 361 11 GUILLAUME CHARRON'78 CAMO QC 19:57.40 CSL MAR 13 85 358 12 AREND TERAA'75 CHAR PE 20:00.73 DAR APR 13 84 355 13 OLIVER CORDOBA'74 YMCA QC 20:03.84 NEP MAY 13 84 352 14 STEVEN CANN'75 TECH ON 20:17.55 NEP MAY 13 83 340 15 JOSEPH KIMANI'78 YMCA QC 20:40.08 MTL APR 13 82 322 16 MATT STEWART'74 LSD ON 21:10.02 LON MAR 13 80 300 17 CARLOS AVILES'75 BRO QC 21:23.80 MTL APR 13 79 290 18 BEN WILSON'76 BURL ON 21:31.68 LON MAR 13 78 285 19 TONY STACKHOUSE'74 LSD ON 21:32.69 LON MAR 13 78 284 20 REID VAN MELLE'75 TECH ON 21:54.96 NEP MAY 13 77 270 |
| 2013-11-25 4:03 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa This is absolutely right Marc. Get out fast and when the pace settles down you find someone going just a bit faster. That's what got me 54 mins at IMMT. I went hard for the first 300m or so and then things settled down and groups started forming. I was following one guy and then I saw a line of guys creeping by on my right. I went over to them and the guy I was following fell back. I stuck with that group the whole way. It easily saved me a couple of minutes. But to do thi,s you need that 200m/400m speed. If I use a bike analogy, the TT rider, the sprinter and the crit rider all have differen shape CP curves. For the swim, it's almost like you need a CP curve with really good 5min power and really good 1hr power. But I am starting to believe the 5min power is much more important than I thought previously. Edited by marcag 2013-11-25 4:06 PM |
| 2013-11-25 4:08 PM in reply to: rymac |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by rymac I have another 1650 test in the pool Wednesday I would not want to interfere with your enjoyment but have you considered doing 200 and 400m tests and using a CSS formula ? |
| 2013-11-25 6:30 PM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa But to do thi,s you need that 200m/400m speed. If I use a bike analogy, the TT rider, the sprinter and the crit rider all have differen shape CP curves. For the swim, it's almost like you need a CP curve with really good 5min power and really good 1hr power. But I am starting to believe the 5min power is much more important than I thought previously. This is absolutely right Marc. Get out fast and when the pace settles down you find someone going just a bit faster. That's what got me 54 mins at IMMT. I went hard for the first 300m or so and then things settled down and groups started forming. I was following one guy and then I saw a line of guys creeping by on my right. I went over to them and the guy I was following fell back. I stuck with that group the whole way. It easily saved me a couple of minutes. Swimming power curves? What has this group come to...LOL. I fully agree though. My swim at Kona was very much draft aided. I think I was lucky in that there were a lot of 1:05-1:15 swimmers that were just there to enjoy the race. So these guys weren't interested in sprinting off the gun or getting physical. I just jumped in that pack and drafted the whole way. I heard stories from the sub 1 hour guys that it was chaos the first 5 minutes. Those were the guys trying to break away and if you didn't have what it took to latch on...you were likely leading the pack of masses. |
| 2013-11-26 6:01 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by Jason N Swimming power curves? What has this group come to...LOL. I know....we need to recruit this guy : Ginn, E. (1993), "The application of the critical power test to swimming and swim training programs", National Sports Research Centre |
| 2013-11-26 6:15 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by Jason N Does anyone besides Fred use the premium version of Strava? I currently use WKO+ to manage my power data, but it's a bit limited since all the data is only available on my home PC. Wondering how any of you like it and would you consider it viable as a power management software. Pros and cons vs WKO+ or Golden Cheetah? I did not fully explore it. I looked at Strava quickly but I really doubt they have all the TP/WKO functionality from an analysis point of view Nothing is as powerful as WKO and they will soon be releasing a new version with more capabilities. It is a PITA that it runs only on a PC and not web. But if paired with TP it works quite well. It automatically syncronizes from TP to WKO. So you look everything in TP, you can track mot of the stuff in TP then you pull up WKO for more detailed analysis GC can do a lot of the WKO stuff (with a few shortcomings) and it's cool for some of the stuff only GC does. Like Aerolab and the training tab. The training tab should be disabled for people that require coolant in their air-conditioner during winter. The chart I like in WKO is plotting say my top 10 2h30 efforts over the weeks, against my PMC chart and TSS. I can do it with NP or AP. I can see how well I am performing in workouts under various training loads I can do the same for running. When I looked at Chris' IM file I did the "match burning" report. All cool things with WKO Does avaerage Joe need WKO. I doubt it. GC does a lot the basic stuff for free. But you have it. So if I had to chose TP over Strava for web access reasons, I would go TP In your case this is compounded by the fact TP and WKO work so well together and you already have WKO. I spend most of my logging time in TP I spend most of my training time (on the trainer) in GC I use Aerolab now and then I do analysis in WKO every so often. I typically sync WKO with TP every 2 weeks PS : there is a new version of TP and WKO coming very very soon and a MAC version of WKO I wonder if they will have swim power curves :-) |
| 2013-11-26 7:33 AM in reply to: marcag |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN RaceDay Apollo attempts to do swim curves. |
| 2013-11-26 7:36 AM in reply to: marcag |
Expert 1260 Norton Shores, MI | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by rymac I have another 1650 test in the pool Wednesday I would not want to interfere with your enjoyment but have you considered doing 200 and 400m tests and using a CSS formula ? Yeah not the funnest test. I am not really using it to spit out my threshold pace like the CSS would do. Since my objective is to get in the low 30s for HIM swim it is a good measuring stick distance. Ideally I would like to get that test set time around or below 24:00. |
| 2013-11-26 7:40 AM in reply to: marcag |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa Both TJ and Bo are in my AG. Screwed! Canadian rankings 1500 M FREE 2013 25m MEN 35-39 1 GILBERT DUPLESSIS'76 LAV QC 17:29.26 MTL APR 13 97 532 2 BO SIMPSON'77 UNAT AB 17:31.19 CGY APR 13 97 529 3 THIERRY MARIN'75 CASE QC 17:55.98 CSL MAR 13 94 493 4 BAERACH ANDERSON'75 EMSC AB 17:58.50 NEP MAY 13 94 490 5 CHRYSTIAN GAUVIN'74 CASE QC 18:00.90 CSL MAR 13 94 486 6 MICHAEL KEHLE'77 PC QC 19:01.03 MTL APR 13 89 413 7 DALE ROBINSON'74 UBC BC 19:08.08 NEP MAY 13 88 406 8 PETER GJALTEMA'75 CLAR ON 19:24.03 NEP MAY 13 87 389 9 ALEXANDRE HARVEY'77 PC QC 19:32.82 MTL APR 13 86 381 10 MARTIN MCEWEN'74 LASL QC 19:53.45 CSL MAR 13 85 361 11 GUILLAUME CHARRON'78 CAMO QC 19:57.40 CSL MAR 13 85 358 12 AREND TERAA'75 CHAR PE 20:00.73 DAR APR 13 84 355 13 OLIVER CORDOBA'74 YMCA QC 20:03.84 NEP MAY 13 84 352 14 STEVEN CANN'75 TECH ON 20:17.55 NEP MAY 13 83 340 15 JOSEPH KIMANI'78 YMCA QC 20:40.08 MTL APR 13 82 322 16 MATT STEWART'74 LSD ON 21:10.02 LON MAR 13 80 300 17 CARLOS AVILES'75 BRO QC 21:23.80 MTL APR 13 79 290 18 BEN WILSON'76 BURL ON 21:31.68 LON MAR 13 78 285 19 TONY STACKHOUSE'74 LSD ON 21:32.69 LON MAR 13 78 284 20 REID VAN MELLE'75 TECH ON 21:54.96 NEP MAY 13 77 270 Those 17 min guys are in a whole other league. If I worked at it for a while I might be able to get down to 19ish. I can't imagine what 17 would take. |
| 2013-11-26 7:46 AM in reply to: rymac |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by rymac Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by rymac I have another 1650 test in the pool Wednesday I would not want to interfere with your enjoyment but have you considered doing 200 and 400m tests and using a CSS formula ? Yeah not the funnest test. I am not really using it to spit out my threshold pace like the CSS would do. Since my objective is to get in the low 30s for HIM swim it is a good measuring stick distance. Ideally I would like to get that test set time around or below 24:00. What is the CSS formula? Did a wetsuit legal swim a the pool this morning...75..brrr. Sign says they hope to fix it by the weekend, but that means a couple of more swims at that temp at 5am. |
| 2013-11-26 7:48 AM in reply to: GoFaster |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by rymac Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by rymac I have another 1650 test in the pool Wednesday I would not want to interfere with your enjoyment but have you considered doing 200 and 400m tests and using a CSS formula ? Yeah not the funnest test. I am not really using it to spit out my threshold pace like the CSS would do. Since my objective is to get in the low 30s for HIM swim it is a good measuring stick distance. Ideally I would like to get that test set time around or below 24:00. What is the CSS formula? Did a wetsuit legal swim a the pool this morning...75..brrr. Sign says they hope to fix it by the weekend, but that means a couple of more swims at that temp at 5am. I'm pretty sure I would come up with lots of excuses to not go. |
| 2013-11-26 8:00 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa Those 17 min guys are in a whole other league. If I worked at it for a while I might be able to get down to 19ish. I can't imagine what 17 would take. The guy you are ahead of by 3 seconds is on my team. Two spots down is the coach. Since being a coach he trains rarely so I suspect he would be a bit faster is he trained. |
| 2013-11-26 8:02 AM in reply to: GoFaster |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN |
| 2013-11-26 8:15 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by GoFaster Originally posted by rymac Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by rymac I have another 1650 test in the pool Wednesday I would not want to interfere with your enjoyment but have you considered doing 200 and 400m tests and using a CSS formula ? Yeah not the funnest test. I am not really using it to spit out my threshold pace like the CSS would do. Since my objective is to get in the low 30s for HIM swim it is a good measuring stick distance. Ideally I would like to get that test set time around or below 24:00. What is the CSS formula? Did a wetsuit legal swim a the pool this morning...75..brrr. Sign says they hope to fix it by the weekend, but that means a couple of more swims at that temp at 5am. I'm pretty sure I would come up with lots of excuses to not go. Hah, says the guy who runs in snowy/icy conditions! I'd be much more likely to swim in 75F water....I won't even run outdoors tonight when it's raining and 40F  |
| 2013-11-26 10:07 AM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Jason N I did not fully explore it. I looked at Strava quickly but I really doubt they have all the TP/WKO functionality from an analysis point of view Nothing is as powerful as WKO and they will soon be releasing a new version with more capabilities. It is a PITA that it runs only on a PC and not web. But if paired with TP it works quite well. It automatically syncronizes from TP to WKO. So you look everything in TP, you can track mot of the stuff in TP then you pull up WKO for more detailed analysis GC can do a lot of the WKO stuff (with a few shortcomings) and it's cool for some of the stuff only GC does. Like Aerolab and the training tab. The training tab should be disabled for people that require coolant in their air-conditioner during winter. The chart I like in WKO is plotting say my top 10 2h30 efforts over the weeks, against my PMC chart and TSS. I can do it with NP or AP. I can see how well I am performing in workouts under various training loads I can do the same for running. When I looked at Chris' IM file I did the "match burning" report. All cool things with WKO Does avaerage Joe need WKO. I doubt it. GC does a lot the basic stuff for free. But you have it. So if I had to chose TP over Strava for web access reasons, I would go TP In your case this is compounded by the fact TP and WKO work so well together and you already have WKO. I spend most of my logging time in TP I spend most of my training time (on the trainer) in GC I use Aerolab now and then I do analysis in WKO every so often. I typically sync WKO with TP every 2 weeks PS : there is a new version of TP and WKO coming very very soon and a MAC version of WKO I wonder if they will have swim power curves :-) Does anyone besides Fred use the premium version of Strava? I currently use WKO+ to manage my power data, but it's a bit limited since all the data is only available on my home PC. Wondering how any of you like it and would you consider it viable as a power management software. Pros and cons vs WKO+ or Golden Cheetah? Wow...something tells me I need to play around a lot more with WKO as I seem like I'm not taking full advantage of it. I've tried syncing with TP, but something is wrong as it always says I have invalid login information but that's probably user error and I just gave up. I also didn't see a mass upload option (I have 4 years of data in WKO, and no way I'm uploading 1 file at a time). I paid for one month of Strava Premium and it seems "okay." Great to have my data on the web and adjusting the charts they do have is a lot easier than WKO. I'm wondering when the new version of WKO comes out if my initial purchase gives me rights to upgrade for free, at a discount, or if it's a completely different purchase. The current version of WKO isn't that user friendly as far as changing views of charts by time frame, but I'm guessing that's the main focus of their upgrade. |
| 2013-11-26 10:28 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN I have a Strava premium account. For someone like you, it will not suffice long-term I don't think (being pretty data oriented and analytical). Everything Marc said is right on. I like it because it was pretty cheap and it has some stuff that I glance at when I upload a ride. I'll check out my power curve and maybe how hard I hit a segment or two. It'll show you some basic zone breakdowns etc.. It really doesn't do anything to sophisticated though. I find myself looking at it though because I don't really overly geek out over my power files. That being said, I am interested in getting more serious and trying that new TP version. I have Golden Cheetah too but haven't uploaded to it in awhile. |
| 2013-11-26 12:05 PM in reply to: JAYCT |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN I'm eagerly watching for Black Friday deals to come up. I'm looking to get a stand alone bike computer -- anyone have one that they love / hate / specific recommendations? I just compared the Garmin 500/510/800/810 to one another and they look almost the same (with respect to the features that I actually care about). Other than aesthetics, is there a reason you'd spend more on one versus the other? |
| 2013-11-26 12:06 PM in reply to: ligersandtions |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by ligersandtions I'm eagerly watching for Black Friday deals to come up. I'm looking to get a stand alone bike computer -- anyone have one that they love / hate / specific recommendations? I just compared the Garmin 500/510/800/810 to one another and they look almost the same (with respect to the features that I actually care about). Other than aesthetics, is there a reason you'd spend more on one versus the other? Have you read the DCrainmaker reviews of them? |
| 2013-11-26 12:16 PM in reply to: JAYCT |
| Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by JAYCT I have a Strava premium account. For someone like you, it will not suffice long-term I don't think (being pretty data oriented and analytical). Everything Marc said is right on. I like it because it was pretty cheap and it has some stuff that I glance at when I upload a ride. I'll check out my power curve and maybe how hard I hit a segment or two. It'll show you some basic zone breakdowns etc.. It really doesn't do anything to sophisticated though. I find myself looking at it though because I don't really overly geek out over my power files. That being said, I am interested in getting more serious and trying that new TP version. I have Golden Cheetah too but haven't uploaded to it in awhile. Yeah, currently I don't think it can replace WKO, but the GUI interface is 10x better for the charts they do have. Being online gives it a huge advantage too. I think Strava has huge potential for expanding their power analysis. There is no reason they can't develop something just as good as WKO, except fully online. It's not like the formulas are proprietary or require a nuclear heart surgeon to develop. I suppose it may be a matter of processing power though. But the charts they do have seem to refresh very quickly.
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| 2013-11-26 12:47 PM in reply to: ligersandtions |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN Originally posted by ligersandtions I'm eagerly watching for Black Friday deals to come up. I'm looking to get a stand alone bike computer -- anyone have one that they love / hate / specific recommendations? I just compared the Garmin 500/510/800/810 to one another and they look almost the same (with respect to the features that I actually care about). Other than aesthetics, is there a reason you'd spend more on one versus the other? I have a 500 and 800. Love them both. The 800 is a bit big and slightly harder to place on aero bars with bottles..... The 500 did everything I needed it to from a metrics perspective But I am really good at getting lost and it was intended for out of town and new routes. The 800s maps was the only advantage. I got it super cheap. I think it was Chris' PSA on the $100 rebate that got me into it. The 510 features like uploading through my phone and the social aspect....was not worth it for me. So I would say if you need maps, 800/810 otherwise 500/510. |
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