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So you can do this after you are vaccinated and the world has returned to normal

https://oregontrailgravelgrinder.com/

It is on my wish list

So...I am not liking my 8-week TriDot training. 

The first week did no base training at all but rather jumped right into long high-intensity intervals.  The first long ride I did on the bike had something like 20-minute super-threshold intervals. When I got off the bike one of my legs locked up.  I couldn't bend the knee or do anything on it for a few hours.  I have had stuff like that happen from 5-6 hours all-out races, but never in a workout much less a relatively short 90 minutes ride.  Well, it was about a week after that before I was able to work out the pain and nail a workout again. 

Three weeks in I had a rest week which was awesome.  On Sunday night following the rest week I looked at Monday morning's schedule hoping for a 70-minute easy run to build on the 50 minute easy runs that I did for the recovery week and saw that it had a 60-minute swim planned at 5-6 AM and then a 10K Time Trial from 6-7 AM.  Ya...that is what happens when you have a computer algorithm as your coach. It was NOT possible to do that at all so I skipped the 60-min swim and did the Time Trial.  I had a great Time Trial.  Not a PR but I went my hardest and didn't fade out before finishing. 

After the 10K TT I was expecting a recovery day but Tuesday morning it had another Time Trial.  That time a 20-min PFT bike test.  I said okay...this is what I signed up for.  Let's get it done, but I felt dead legged when I started the test and then ran into data recording errors so I just it short and was going to retest on Wednesday.  Well,

Wednesday I was feeling dead legged so I follow the recovery day plan.  I did the same for Thursday.  Friday was another test.  That time a CSS swim test.  It went ok but three tests in a week were wearing me thin. 

Saturday I was going to replace the 90-minute bike workout with a redo of the 20-min bike FPT. But I was worn out and tired.  I dot a shortened run I on Monday but have felt tired and unmotivated all week and have been skipping sessions.  I think the intensity of the workouts has been too much too soon and it is killing my base.   So I think I am going to scale everything way back for the final 3 weeks of the TriDot training and then go into some lower intensity base training to get me back to feeling motivated again.  

So...I am not liking my 8-week TriDot training. 

The first week did no base training at all but rather jumped right into long high-intensity intervals.  The first long ride I did on the bike had something like 20-minute super-threshold intervals. When I got off the bike one of my legs locked up.  I couldn't bend the knee or do anything on it for a few hours.  I have had stuff like that happen from 5-6 hours all-out races, but never in a workout much less a relatively short 90 minutes ride.  Well, it was about a week after that before I was able to work out the pain and nail a workout again. 

Three weeks in I had a rest week which was awesome.  On Sunday night following the rest week I looked at Monday morning's schedule hoping for a 70-minute easy run to build on the 50 minute easy runs that I did for the recovery week and saw that it had a 60-minute swim planned at 5-6 AM and then a 10K Time Trial from 6-7 AM.  Ya...that is what happens when you have a computer algorithm as your coach. It was NOT possible to do that at all so I skipped the 60-min swim and did the Time Trial.  I had a great Time Trial.  Not a PR but I went my hardest and didn't fade out before finishing. 

After the 10K TT I was expecting a recovery day but Tuesday morning it had another Time Trial.  That time a 20-min PFT bike test.  I said okay...this is what I signed up for.  Let's get it done, but I felt dead legged when I started the test and then ran into data recording errors so I just it short and was going to retest on Wednesday.  Well,

Wednesday I was feeling dead legged so I follow the recovery day plan.  I did the same for Thursday.  Friday was another test.  That time a CSS swim test.  It went ok but three tests in a week were wearing me thin. 

Saturday I was going to replace the 90-minute bike workout with a redo of the 20-min bike FPT. But I was worn out and tired.  I dot a shortened run I on Monday but have felt tired and unmotivated all week and have been skipping sessions.  I think the intensity of the workouts has been too much too soon and it is killing my base.   So I think I am going to scale everything way back for the final 3 weeks of the TriDot training and then go into some lower intensity base training to get me back to feeling motivated again.  

Wow, sorry you are having this experience with TriDot! I was on it last year at this time and had the complete opposite experience! I found the workouts to be pretty similar to an 80-20 plan and, in fact, was pretty frustrated at how slowly I was supposed to run most of my runs.  I do believe test weeks included all 3 disciplines, but I generally ignore swim tests I can't be sure.  You probably know this, but you can make changes to your plan re how many runs, bikes, swims per week and which days for the long workouts.

Anyway, sorry this isn't working out for you! If you want something more personalized check out coach parry while there are canned plans it is based upon your abilities and the coaches are always available to ask questions and rework plans etc.  I know Janyne uses Endurance Nation and seems to really like it.

Good luck and don't kill yourself!

I did the TriDot plan in 2016....

Speed Rules To avoid the acidic buildup that disrupts your aerobic development and leads to burnout:

1) Delay frequent (1-2 times per week) speed training until 4-8 weeks before your peak race.

2) Limit any speed workouts during base to once every 3-6 weeks.

3) Keep all of your training during the first 60 to 70 percent of the season either slower than lactate threshold or short enough to avoid breathing hard.

4) Do only 4-6 workouts that contain repeats between 30 seconds and 6 minutes at VO2 max pace or faster during the final few weeks of training.

5) Be careful, as your fitness improves, to control your effort and paces in the last few workouts before your peak race so you don't “leave the race in training.”  

I looked back at my training log, and in 2016 my last race was the end of September, followed by taking the month of October off, then doing an 8-week base build in November-December, and starting the Tri-Dot pre-season plan in January.

So going into the TriDot in 2016 I had been building a base for 2 months and was able to move into the two months of speed work that they do for the pre-season Tridot Program. 

Last year my last race was in November, I took the month of December off, then started the TriDot pre-season program.  

So going into the TriDot this year I had no base to work off of and started in on high-intensity speed work on day one with no preparation.  The pre-season TriDot plan appears assumes that people will enter the program with a big base.  This morning's prescribed workout was 30 minutes running in Z4 and 30 minutes running in Z2.  Well....I choose to do 60 minutes in Z2.  It felt great and instead of feeling unmotivated and run down, I felt motivated and strong. 

Oh, I read an article yesterday called "Speed Kills" from the August 2014 edition of Runner's World.  Its rules to speed work were the following:  

Those rules are more in line with what has worked for me in the past and what I will move more towards until I start getting ready for races again. 

Welcome, Jo!  We like social Manatees! I hope to see you chime in often!

Like you, some of my early events were rescheduled.  My April event was moved to September and my May event was moved to August.  Right now, I'm just trying to roll with the punches!

I just listened to an interesting webinar on HIM/IM training.  Specifically, it was about the 2021 Endurance Nation plans but I found on nutrition tidbit to be very interesting. This year, the guidance is to NOT have a big breakfast before your long ride.  Why not?  Because in the event, you'll et at like 4-5am, set up transition, mosey on over to the swim start, wait, find the port-o-pots, wait, slowly make your way to the swim entrance, swim, go to transition, ride your bike, and THEN start your bike nutrition.  In other words, there is a looonnnggg time between race day breakfast and bike nutrition.  The idea is that if you have a smaller meal before you ride, you will actually be hungry and consume your nutrition and therefore actually practice it.  Anyway, I thought that was interesting.

Guess I've been ahead of my time all these years as I never eat much before a ride!

I just listened to an interesting webinar on HIM/IM training.  Specifically, it was about the 2021 Endurance Nation plans but I found on nutrition tidbit to be very interesting. This year, the guidance is to NOT have a big breakfast before your long ride.  Why not?  Because in the event, you'll et at like 4-5am, set up transition, mosey on over to the swim start, wait, find the port-o-pots, wait, slowly make your way to the swim entrance, swim, go to transition, ride your bike, and THEN start your bike nutrition.  In other words, there is a looonnnggg time between race day breakfast and bike nutrition.  The idea is that if you have a smaller meal before you ride, you will actually be hungry and consume your nutrition and therefore actually practice it.  Anyway, I thought that was interesting.

Do you have time to insert some sort of base phase, even an abbreviated one?

I agree, for me run frequency seems to be the most important variable.

Originally posted by Micawber Years ago there was an article about doing some long runs fasted to train a body to more readily use fat stores and I would do that sometimes. It may have helped but there was no control for that experiment so who knows. For races, I'd have a small early breakfast and then a gel just before the swim. It seems like they're having trouble getting vaccine supplies here. Word was the general local population would be done by fall but that was before supply troubles came up.

I can't run with anything in my stomach.  Either need to eat waaayyyy before I run or run fasted.

Re: vaccine supplies, here's an interesting calculator about herd immunity.

It starts here -- at 1.5 million shots per day, 2 shots per person, include people who have already tested positive, assume 80% coverage needed - December 24.

If we can do 3 million shots per day (keep everything else the same) - July 14

If we can do 3 million shots per day AND we drop the people who have already tested positive - June 27

Anyway, there are sliders to play with. Interesting.

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Micawber Years ago there was an article about doing some long runs fasted to train a body to more readily use fat stores and I would do that sometimes. It may have helped but there was no control for that experiment so who knows. For races, I'd have a small early breakfast and then a gel just before the swim. It seems like they're having trouble getting vaccine supplies here. Word was the general local population would be done by fall but that was before supply troubles came up.

I can't run with anything in my stomach.  Either need to eat waaayyyy before I run or run fasted.

Re: vaccine supplies, here's an interesting calculator about herd immunity.

It starts here -- at 1.5 million shots per day, 2 shots per person, include people who have already tested positive, assume 80% coverage needed - December 24.

If we can do 3 million shots per day (keep everything else the same) - July 14

If we can do 3 million shots per day AND we drop the people who have already tested positive - June 27

Anyway, there are sliders to play with. Interesting.

I'm doing my part, shot #2 is in the arm and the books as of this morning.