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Glad you're getting some help with your dad. Keeping you guys in our thoughts.

Excellent news on your coach...hope the smooth sailing with him continues. If he's getting you physically ready, who's helping with the mental part....US????

Yesterday was a rough one.  I fell on my bike...on my trainer.  Was reaching for the remote control and went too far.  The whole thing slid out from under me and I hit on my shoulder and hip.  Wow,  I haven't done that in a while.  No harm but felt pretty silly.

Then my son comes in "Daddy, there's water dripping through the ceiling in my room".  Ugh, it has been raining heavily and the roof sprung a leak.  So I get up on the roof  which is three stories high wrestling a sheet of plywood in the dark with sheets of rain and strong gusting winds.  It was a nightmare.  Got it tacked down and the leak stopped.

I trust today will be better.

Anyone have suggestions for the grippiest deepest tread trail shoes possible?

Yesterday was a rough one.  I fell on my bike...on my trainer.  Was reaching for the remote control and went too far.  The whole thing slid out from under me and I hit on my shoulder and hip.  Wow,  I haven't done that in a while.  No harm but felt pretty silly.

Then my son comes in "Daddy, there's water dripping through the ceiling in my room".  Ugh, it has been raining heavily and the roof sprung a leak.  So I get up on the roof  which is three stories high wrestling a sheet of plywood in the dark with sheets of rain and strong gusting winds.  It was a nightmare.  Got it tacked down and the leak stopped.

I trust today will be better.

Yesterday was a rough one.  I fell on my bike...on my trainer.  Was reaching for the remote control and went too far.  The whole thing slid out from under me and I hit on my shoulder and hip.  Wow,  I haven't done that in a while.  No harm but felt pretty silly.

Then my son comes in "Daddy, there's water dripping through the ceiling in my room".  Ugh, it has been raining heavily and the roof sprung a leak.  So I get up on the roof  which is three stories high wrestling a sheet of plywood in the dark with sheets of rain and strong gusting winds.  It was a nightmare.  Got it tacked down and the leak stopped.

I trust today will be better.

I've been happy with the grip of the Altra Superior. Have a pair of the 2.0 on the way and looks to have more tread than before. Salomon seems to have aggressive looking treads on them, but not much experience. Looking into Lone Peaks as well, but getting the Superior first. Those are the lighter ones anyway. Had a pair of Fellcross a few years ago, but mostly used for a few snow runs. Seemed ok, but a bit long for me. The toe might catch a little easy.

Are you looking because of the ice?

Mostly yeah, ice. But really I just need at least one pair of shoes that has good traction in general. 

In addition to my icy crawling adventure, I also slipped and fell into a river over the summer (that could have been 1000000 times worse than it was...) So I just need to not be wearing road shoes out in the wilderness. 

I'm just so used to running in very lightweight shoes. I really don't like the idea of trail shoes but I really think I need them. 

Anyone have suggestions for the grippiest deepest tread trail shoes possible?

Yeah, and I knew I was doing it, too.    Someday I'll learn...

The conversation does cause me to think on this a bit.  It's interesting that many people, myself included, believe that more economic running will come simply with more running (the body will find the most efficient way to run on its own, given the chance).  However, many people, myself included, then also try to .  Increased cadence, mid-foot strike, forefoot strike, lower arm carriage, higher arm carriage, more glutes, etc., etc.  

I've mostly stuck with just running more, although I have picked up my average cadence (and no longer need a cadence sensor to be within about a step per minute) and occasionally pay more attention to making sure my glutes are firing off (although even here, I try to do that by running in ways that engage them - speed work, "running pretty" and such).  So, guilty of doing both - which somehow makes sense as a way to approach it.  Just enough of each...  Kind of mirrors your approach of finding the right situations (which does, indeed, make sense).

Funny, too, how different swimming is from running!  Tons of form and skill work.  Endless tweaks and drills.  Lots of speed work as a way to get said form.  I've always been struck at how very different the approaches to these two sports are (for most - I admit to doing a lot more long intervals than "real swimmers" do).  I've often wondered if the received wisdom in each discipline is optimal (especially given how the "right" way to do things changes every few years - I'm watching my kids deal with that in their stroke work even now, as the perfect high elbow recovery is now seen as too much work and the new coaches are starting to say just do whatever gets your arms around fastest - kind of like running more!).  

And THAT is why this stuff stays interesting to me.  

Matt

Mostly yeah, ice. But really I just need at least one pair of shoes that has good traction in general. 

In addition to my icy crawling adventure, I also slipped and fell into a river over the summer (that could have been 1000000 times worse than it was...) So I just need to not be wearing road shoes out in the wilderness. 

I'm just so used to running in very lightweight shoes. I really don't like the idea of trail shoes but I really think I need them. 

Yeah, maybe someday that will happen.

I've actually been putting more of that stuff into my running. Not really big drill sessions, but a more dynamic warm-up that includes things like skipping, heel kicks and knee drives. It really helps get the range of motion fired up before actually running so things feel great from the get go. Before a hard session there is still the need to run harder to drive that up, but the motion has felt much better.

I've also been running fast more often. Not lots, just getting something in more frequently. The fastest work might be 10-15 minutes at most and once or twice a week. Mostly broken up into 200's & 400's. Or the equivalent time when I do the steep hills. Lots of time running really easy in between, like 2-4 times the interval length. Then on a couple other days are the more moderate (but still quick) strides. So lots of frequently running faster, but not a lot of volume when added all together. This helps me find it better in the first place and to do it more often. It'll carry over into the easy running, less likely to slip back into old habits so the easy running is doing a better job of reinforcing the faster work.

Like you guys mention, I mostly just run lots and let my body gravitate towards what is most economical. There are always things you can work on and be conscious of but straight up trying to change your gait is usually not a good idea.

Okay so the consensus here is that I shouldn't have tried to do what I did.  I did that based on my coach's recommendation.  She, the head coach, and I are meeting up again on Saturday at the track to take another look.  Should I plan to say (more diplomatically), "Let's cut the monkeying around with shortening my stride, just work on increasing cadence, and call it good"?  Technically, they're the experts and I don't want to be coming across as saying that I don't think they know what they're doing. 

Now I'm also questioning if shortening my stride would actually qualify as changing my gait.  I really don't know much about the technical aspects of running, I just did it. All I knew was that I kept tripping.  In order to increase cadence and stop over-striding with my right leg, as suggested, without completely dying, I had to shorten my stride.  Plus my right hip was collapsing some on the foot strike, which we were addressing with core strength training.  Is that, in your estimation, changing my gait?

Anyone have suggestions for the grippiest deepest tread trail shoes possible?

Okay so the consensus here is that I shouldn't have tried to do what I did.  I did that based on my coach's recommendation.  She, the head coach, and I are meeting up again on Saturday at the track to take another look.  Should I plan to say (more diplomatically), "Let's cut the monkeying around with shortening my stride, just work on increasing cadence, and call it good"?  Technically, they're the experts and I don't want to be coming across as saying that I don't think they know what they're doing. 

Now I'm also questioning if shortening my stride would actually qualify as changing my gait.  I really don't know much about the technical aspects of running, I just did it. All I knew was that I kept tripping.  In order to increase cadence and stop over-striding with my right leg, as suggested, without completely dying, I had to shorten my stride.  Plus my right hip was collapsing some on the foot strike, which we were addressing with core strength training.  Is that, in your estimation, changing my gait?

Yesterday was a rough one.  I fell on my bike...on my trainer.  Was reaching for the remote control and went too far.  The whole thing slid out from under me and I hit on my shoulder and hip.  Wow,  I haven't done that in a while.  No harm but felt pretty silly.

Then my son comes in "Daddy, there's water dripping through the ceiling in my room".  Ugh, it has been raining heavily and the roof sprung a leak.  So I get up on the roof  which is three stories high wrestling a sheet of plywood in the dark with sheets of rain and strong gusting winds.  It was a nightmare.  Got it tacked down and the leak stopped.

I trust today will be better.

Oh man! I've come close to doing that but fortunately never actually fell. Glad you are ok.

Our roof started leaking last winter, right over our oldest son's electronics . DH and DS1 got if fixed with no major damage.

Glad you weathered the storm and got yours fixed as well.

Happy Monday

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I did fall.  In class.  In front of everyone.  People picked on me for like a year.

In my defense, I was new to the trainer and had only used it a handful of times.  The person in the shop (it was a training session at a bike shop) helped me set it up.  I totally blame Justin!

I fell too.  At home.  Bike popped off the trainer and I went down.  In my defense, I set it up myself and I am an idiot   And, I did it a second time too!!