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2009-05-05 4:27 PM
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I agree with almost everything said, I would also like to suggest that you consider finding a League of American Bicyclists Road Safety instructor and take the Road 101 class. I felt so much more in control of my bike that my downhill fears while still there don't rule me!


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I don't think some of you understand JUST how inconsistent I am with speed. The slightest incline kills me, like slows me down up to a 10mph-drop. I could never keep with with a bunch of roadies. And as far as I know there are no roadie groups around here that cater to newbies - even if they SAY they do, I've spoken to a few people who've rode with these groups who say it isn't true and that "no-drop" doesn't really mean "no-drop".

So? Go anyway. It sounds like it's exactly what you need, even if you are already talking your self out of it. That's how I started, I was flung off the back in 4 miles.. and that was on a easy day! It's tough love. It just made me want to go again next week even more. And you go back the next week, hang on for 10 miles. Go the next and hang on for 15 miles. People will notice your effort and start to give you tips for riding smarter in a group. What to look for, how to relax, when to relax.. etc.. Then before you know it you're riding 40-60 miles with them and loving it.


x 1,000,000.  exactly how I started with my current group

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2009-05-05 4:29 PM
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I'm going to second the mountain biking suggestion. As long as you don't try anything too technical, the overall speeds will be slower, you'll get stronger, and you'll get better at bike handling (once you've mastered power sliding through a sandy corner, road biking is a piece of cake). And when you crash, you have much softer stuff to land on.

 

And if none of that works, move to Florida. We don't have to worry about hills here.

2009-05-05 4:32 PM
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All I can say is that I am in the same boat... I love running and I love swimming but I don't love biking (and I feel guilty for not loving it... or, um, liking it Embarassed)
2009-05-05 4:32 PM
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wurkit_gurl - 2009-05-05 5:16 PM

smilford - 2009-05-05 5:08 PM Haven't read all the responses.. so someone may of already brought it up Tried riding with a competitive roadie weekend club ride? Way more fun than just going riding! Plus your bike handling skills will improve and you will be more comfortable handling your bike is all situations.

I don't think some of you understand JUST how inconsistent I am with speed. The slightest incline kills me, like slows me down up to a 10mph-drop. I could never keep with with a bunch of roadies. And as far as I know there are no roadie groups around here that cater to newbies - even if they SAY they do, I've spoken to a few people who've rode with these groups who say it isn't true and that "no-drop" doesn't really mean "no-drop".



I still go slower up hills than most folks but for women my age I'm pretty fast.

You need to talk to the group to see what no drop means. Often they do expect you to ride a certain pace and if that is outside what your nomral pace is not a good idea to go. My women's race team has a women only group ride that breaks down into paces with one being 12-15 mph. They absolutely won't drop anyone as they have a person leading the group and someone sweeping and often another person helping for the beginner group. I think a group like that would be perfect for you. Have you asked around in the Virgina forum for group ride ideas?

I was dropped from a group ride on Thanksgiving, and the group was horrified about it. They didn't have a sweep nor a plan of what to do when they lost someone. I didn't know where I was so I doubled back to where we started and went home. Going forward they have a plan to make sure folks don't get dropped. It does help to know the route and have a phone number of someone on the ride ideally the leader. Riding with men is tough as in general they are stronger than women. I find I can ride with men about 20 years older than I am and we are pretty well paced.

If you have friends that offer to ride with you take them up on it. If they know where you are skill, pace, and mentally and still want to help why say no. I've ridden plenty of times with folks slower than I am and you know in time they are stronger and can keep up with me better. We have a great time riding together. I do zone 1 and zone 2 rides that are perfect for someone else harder rides.



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2009-05-05 4:47 PM
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Can you get together with someone nice that is willing to bike alongside you and coach you for a ride?  I have a friend who is not very good with bikes and it's gotten to the point where she won't hardly do anything.  Won't go over railroad tracks, won't shift from her middle chain ring, etc.  Her instinct isn't good and after a few falls and dropped chains has gotten so frustrated and confused she cannot even remember how or when  to shift to the big ring.  We rode together this weekend and I talked her through the one task for shifting to her big ring. She needed the one-on-one attention to break it down.  If you know what you should do, but cannot execute it, you may need individual attention.

This is JUST how I felt about swimming.  It was so entirely frustrating for a very, very, long time.  Now I kind of like it, but I have had to work on individual mechanics swim after swim to get there.

Oh, and attack those hills!  Only way to get faster is to build the muscles that turn the crank.



2009-05-05 4:49 PM
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ThatGirl - 2009-05-05 4:18 PM
I feel like I wrote this post myself...

I got my Specialized Dolce (I think you have the same bike!) back in January.
I live in the same metro area as you
I am also FREAKED OUT by downhills.
I'm also really slowly getting used to the other bike skills  

 


Looks like you found yourself a riding partner!
2009-05-05 4:50 PM
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I do this too and I think that's the best way for folks to get better.  Feeling like you need to chase me up a hill will likely cause you to work harder.  Chasing my husband who has very long, strong, biking legs has made me a much better biker.   Just like running - one way to improve speed is to go with people who are faster.

KathyG - 2009-05-05 4:32 PM
wurkit_gurl - 2009-05-05 5:16 PM

If you have friends that offer to ride with you take them up on it. If they know where you are skill, pace, and mentally and still want to help why say no. I've ridden plenty of times with folks slower than I am and you know in time they are stronger and can keep up with me better. We have a great time riding together. I do zone 1 and zone 2 rides that are perfect for someone else harder rides.

2009-05-05 4:57 PM
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smilford - 2009-05-05 5:24 PM
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I don't think some of you understand JUST how inconsistent I am with speed. The slightest incline kills me, like slows me down up to a 10mph-drop. I could never keep with with a bunch of roadies. And as far as I know there are no roadie groups around here that cater to newbies - even if they SAY they do, I've spoken to a few people who've rode with these groups who say it isn't true and that "no-drop" doesn't really mean "no-drop".

So? Go anyway. It sounds like it's exactly what you need, even if you are already talking your self out of it. That's how I started, I was flung off the back in 4 miles.. and that was on a easy day! It's tough love. It just made me want to go again next week even more. And you go back the next week, hang on for 10 miles. Go the next and hang on for 15 miles. People will notice your effort and start to give you tips for riding smarter in a group. What to look for, how to relax, when to relax.. etc.. Then before you know it you're riding 40-60 miles with them and loving it.


Here's the other side of this.  I am in this exact situation and have been trying to ride with a group and I HATE IT.  Absolutely stressful.  I think I am in Z3 before we even leave the parking lot b/c i'm so stressed out about it.  I have been told by many that it is good for me....for bike handling skills, for speed to try to hang, etc.  But I'll be honest, going out for a few hour sufferfest to bike with people who are faster, and then trying to bike close to them learning to draft when you're already nervous on the bike, it is extremely discouraging.  Will it make me a better/faster rider? Probably.  Is it making me want to avoid the bike?  Yup.  Do I like biking even one bit when I'm out there?  No.  With that said, it has made biking by myself much better!   So, at least it's working for something! 
2009-05-05 5:01 PM
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Are you my twin? I could've written this post verbatim.

Know that you're not alone, my dear.
2009-05-05 5:01 PM
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I'm also trying to make cycling more fun, it's a chore to train for cycling but for running and swimming, it's fun.

Group rides in weekends are pretty fun. If there isn't a ride for beginners, why don't you advertise around your local area, bike stores etc and organise your own "beginner" weekend ride? You can teach other people what you know and maybe you could all pay a few $$ and get a person from one of the bike stores to go with you all and give you basic skills advice over an hour or so for a few weeks. If you find a teenager, young guy/girl I'm sure he/she would love helping out and earning a bit of extra pocket money.

Make your own group ride!


2009-05-05 5:07 PM
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lisac957 - 2009-05-05 5:49 PM
ThatGirl - 2009-05-05 4:18 PM
I feel like I wrote this post myself...

I got my Specialized Dolce (I think you have the same bike!) back in January.
I live in the same metro area as you
I am also FREAKED OUT by downhills.
I'm also really slowly getting used to the other bike skills  

 


Looks like you found yourself a riding partner!


Haha I know right? Looking, at logs we seem to be at pretty much the same paces for everything, too. Unfortunately, I'm graduating law school and moving back to New Jersey next week (!)  
2009-05-05 5:08 PM
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wwlani - 2009-05-05 5:27 PM

I agree with almost everything said, I would also like to suggest that you consider finding a League of American Bicyclists Road Safety instructor and take the Road 101 class. I felt so much more in control of my bike that my downhill fears while still there don't rule me!


WABA has several different types of classes that may help you in this regard.
http://www.waba.org/events/education.php
2009-05-05 5:25 PM
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KathyG - 2009-05-05 5:32 PM  I think a group like that would be perfect for you. Have you asked around in the Virgina forum for group ride ideas?

There aren't any groups around here that are appropriate for me - like I said, even the ones that are supposedly "no-drop" are not really "no-drop" because everyone is pretty fast, and even if they say they're not, it's not true - it's all the VAMDBTTC people and they're all way too fast for me. If I was consistently 15mph for my entire ride, it'd be one thing, but I'm not - in my last tri, I spent a lot of time up around 18-20+, but then on every single uphill, I slowed WAY down, and I got off and walked down two hills, so that killed time as well. So my overall average was like 14 or something embarassing. So I wouldn't be right in the "slow" group because on easier stretches, I'd be ahead, but couldn't hang with the faster group cuz I'd get dropped in a minute.

I am on a triathlon team, but I haven't been able ot make any of the group rides yet - I joined in December and it was freezing cold for months and now it's rained almost every single weekend, every single weekday ride since we started doing those again, or the 2 weekends where it's been nice, I've had to do something else that day.

2009-05-05 5:31 PM
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ThatGirl - 2009-05-05 5:23 PM Oh, thought I'd add. There is a little neighborhood around here with a uphill/downhill loop.  Sometimes, I'll just take my bike over there and do the loop over and over to try and get comfortable with the downhills. I'll challenge myself to make it 'just to the next mailbox' without touching the brakes. It's really really hard for me. I'm still not comfortable with it yet. But I don't know how else to do it. 


This sounds like a really good idea - just do the same loop repeatedly to wear down the anxiety.  You will get to know the route very well, which should help reduce the panic factor.  Just keep exposing yourself to the fear and don't give in to it, and it will diminish as you improve your handling skills. 

I would completely NOT do the mountain bike idea.  Unless the trails your way are very different from the trails near me, I would not get more comfortable but less.  I love my road bike.  LOVE LOVE LOVE going fast on a downhill, even with a curve or two.  Nearly wiped out a couple of times but still LOVE LOVE LOVE going fast on the road.
BUT.....
On my mountain bike, I get spooked very easily.  There is a very hilly and narrow single track near me.  The total loop is around 30 some miles.  There is a point that you can do an 8 mile loop, half of which is hilly and half flat.  On the hills I am often walking up due to general weakness, and on the downs I often walk too, due to the steepness, the ruts, the narrowness, the rocks and roots, and the general fear of injury and death.  There was a time I was more bold, but my bike handling skills are not up to the task lately.  If I were to use this to build confidence, I might never get on the road bike again, and call myself a lost cause.
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dang double posting!!



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2009-05-05 5:34 PM
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Go with the slow group and do long pulls.

Or go with the fast group and HTFU.

If the group is No-Drop or not shouldn't be a factor in my opinion. At least go out and TRY it. I mean if you get dropped, or drop the easy group in 5min.. Well then you do another solo ride, no big deal. Though I'm starting to think it may be a mental thing. You say it's not for you, but you also dislike cycling, so you obviously don't know what's for you in the aspect. Try something different, ride with some people you wouldn't normally ride with and find out if it's for you. It may just be the thing you need. It also may not, but we probably won't know.
2009-05-05 5:36 PM
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wurkit_gurl - 2009-05-05 6:25 PM
it's all the VAMDBTTC people and they're all way too fast for me.


I bet you would pass me when I "train" on my big old steel bike with a 30 pound toddler on the back. If you want I can meet you on the W&OD some weekend.
You can also try this route.
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=2795361
Its only 2.7 miles and has some good up and downs. Its residential and very little traffic on the weekends.

edit: Just don't go onto 123/Chainbridge or Oakton Road at either end. They are busy and scary.

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2009-05-05 5:49 PM
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I know you said you don't like fast cars. Have you ever been on a motorcycle? Kinda have way between the bike and car. But you would have to trust the driver. Someone that understands not to freak you out on purpose.

What about riding a tandom bike? Again it would have to be with a rider that is really good and that you trust. I probably wouldn't force yourself down big scary hills. That will only re-enforce your fears. I like the idea of finding a route with a sort of scary hill and keep repaeting that loop. Then slowly progress to different routes as you build confidence.

2009-05-05 7:46 PM
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Wurkit - While I do enjoy riding, I share a lot of your concerns regarding fast descents and consistent pace.  I'm a poor climber and even though the largest group I've ridden in was a group of four it made me very uncomfortable as I felt like the weakest/least consistent in the group.  Maybe, like others have said, it's just a matter of HTFU and riding in groups to gain strength and learn pacing, but I think I would be better off riding with one other person in a low-pressure environment. 

I used to ride sometimes with my sister who was slightly faster than me, and I always felt like these rides helped me improve a bit because I could work on keeping a consistent pace, I could draft a bit when necessary to compensate for being slower, and I didn't feel like I had to justify myself when I fell behind on a climb.  I would go a little harder and she would take it easy long enough for us to match our pace again.  If there's anyone who fits a similar description for you, maybe that sort of low-stress ride would be helpful?

I'm also from NoVA and will be back for good in a couple of weeks.  I'm not in great shape right now so you could probably drop me in a heartbeat but I'm getting back into it so if you're interested in hooking up for a ride or two let me know.  Even if it's just a relaxed, enjoy the scenery and cycling ride.

Sorry for the long response...
2009-05-05 8:50 PM
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How about finding a tri club that specializes in newbies. While I am probably the slowest of the experienced riders I ride with them because they make me work, but I LOVE to ride with the newbies and help them get more comfortable on the road/with their bikes. last year one woman hadn't been on a bike in 15 years and bought a road bike. I had to hold her bike while she got on and run behind her till she was "ready" for me to let go (like teaching a kid to ride).


2009-05-06 8:06 AM
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why do you have to ride with people? honestly Chrissy, the best rides I have are by myself. I go out of my way, driving an hour to get to a place thats safe where I dont' have to worry about cars, and just ride. I dont' care about the speed, I just enjoy myself. I stop to pet horses, I stop to take phone calls, whatever I feel like!  Last year I had the best time just getting out and doing 2-5 hour rides, just going along at 15 mph, since its just doing what makes  you happy.

Nothing is more stressful than riding with people that are faster than you, its hard to keep up, and its frustrating for you and them, so a lot of times, I don't do it!

Drive to Leesburg.  I'm in the same boat as you in terms of traffic, and I've found that it is a lovely area to ride.  I'll get you the route Ernie and I do...also Poolesville on the other side of the Potomac is great, and if you come down, I'll show you my bike route in Rock Creek that is closed to traffic on the weekends.

I'm still willing to help.   I was a true bookender at the beginning.  Hell, my only bike training at first was biking to and from the barn to get in some miles. I loved swimming and running! but now, I love just touring on my bike.

Oh, one more thing, organized charity rides are seriously the BEST. I LOVE them.  Esp. the popular ones, like Civil War Century. They have all sorts of distances, the food is ridiculous, and the support is phenomenal.  You're always around people, but can go your pace.

When I'm back and biking, I'll be starting from the beginning, and we'll do Rock Creek. No worries.

2009-05-06 8:13 AM
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ChrisM - 2009-05-05 4:27 PM
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I don't think some of you understand JUST how inconsistent I am with speed. The slightest incline kills me, like slows me down up to a 10mph-drop. I could never keep with with a bunch of roadies. And as far as I know there are no roadie groups around here that cater to newbies - even if they SAY they do, I've spoken to a few people who've rode with these groups who say it isn't true and that "no-drop" doesn't really mean "no-drop".

So? Go anyway. It sounds like it's exactly what you need, even if you are already talking your self out of it. That's how I started, I was flung off the back in 4 miles.. and that was on a easy day! It's tough love. It just made me want to go again next week even more. And you go back the next week, hang on for 10 miles. Go the next and hang on for 15 miles. People will notice your effort and start to give you tips for riding smarter in a group. What to look for, how to relax, when to relax.. etc.. Then before you know it you're riding 40-60 miles with them and loving it.


x 1,000,000.  exactly how I started with my current group


And that's what I'm doing right now....

I've always considered myself a decent cyclist... and all of my friends are decent cyclists as well... but last year, after my last triathlon of the season (a sprint) ... I focused almost entirely on marathon training and running...straight through to March of this year... while my friends were doing an aggressive bike program for IMAZ... all the way through November.

They have been able to ride their cycling fitness (no pun intended Wink) into this season, and they have been dropping me EVERY SINGLE TIME we ride. Like dropping me hard. I lasted about 8 miles into a 65 mile ride the first time and about 20 miles the second time. Each ride it gets a little better, but I'm not kidding when I say I'm working REALLY hard to keep up. And concentrating. With laser like focus. To hang onto these people.

I can feel my bike fitness returning... like a long lost friend. I didn't do much in the way of long rides last year, so it's been gone for a while. I think you have to let go of your expectations, push yourself, and try to have fun.

Bring a map of the area, too. That way if you do get dropped, you won't feel helpless. You will be self sufficient and confident. And know how to change a tire and stuff too.

I have had this same love/hate relationship with running. I am not the greatest runner. People might even say I suck. But I simply let go of my expectations. Am running because I can. And because I'm grateful to be on this earth at all and healthy enough to move. My running is still not what anyone could consider fast, but taking the pressure off myself really made a huge difference. Especially when IM training. So I'm slow. So what. For me it's about longevity.

And I also stopped writing anything negative about my running in my logs. If I have a negative thought while running, I replace it with a positive thought. So much of this is mental. Think of your positive thoughts covered in glue and velcro so they can stick to your brain and your negative thoughts covered in slime and Teflon... so they can fall right out. Takes some time... but it works. (Got that glue and Teflon thing from a book. Yes, someone actually wrote that. And got paid for it!) But. It works.

Good Luck. It's a process.
2009-05-06 8:20 AM
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wwlani - 2009-05-05 9:50 PM How about finding a tri club that specializes in newbies. While I am probably the slowest of the experienced riders I ride with them because they make me work, but I LOVE to ride with the newbies and help them get more comfortable on the road/with their bikes. last year one woman hadn't been on a bike in 15 years and bought a road bike. I had to hold her bike while she got on and run behind her till she was "ready" for me to let go (like teaching a kid to ride).

My tri club is all levels, and they do kinda specialize in newbies, or at least they are VERY open to newbies, unlike some of the groups in the area. I really like my tri-club. It's not that I worry that I'll be dropped by them - they have a sag truck for the long rides, and there is definitely a no-drop policy on those rides. Tuesday rides are hilly and I think mostly faster folks show up to that one, so if our coach isn't there, there wouldn't be anyone to hang with anyone who was slower. Thursdays, we just do loops around a flat 3 mile course in DC, which I've ridden on my own before - I just haven't been able to get out there yet! But a lot of the long rides are in super-hilly areas.

Amy - I feel a little uneasy riding alone on roads because if something were to happen, I'd be all alone. So that's why I haven't strayed from the trail on my own - at least the trail is car-free and goes through people's backyards/heavily trafficked with pedestrians and other cyclists, etc. I do like Rock Creek Park and Beach Drive, and I've ridden that before. We can ride together when you're better I like to pet horses too (and donkeys and llamas, etc)

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Then we'll do that. My leesburg loop has lots of llamas, horses, cows, and even bison!

 

my precautions? I take the cell phone, charged of course, my credit card, my license, insurance card, and at least $10 in cash..plus I have my road ID, two CO cartridges, and 2 tubes.  Generally, the world is full of good martyrs.  On my century last week, two people stopped to give people around me rides back to civilization.  I'll never forget my two friends getting stuck on the eman course then got a lift back to their cars in the back of a hay truck.

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