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2010-03-27 3:28 PM
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GREAT JOB KIM!!!!


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Congratulation, Kim!!! You are amazing!!!!
2010-03-27 3:37 PM
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Awesome job Kim!! Teach me to run like that please..........
2010-03-27 3:47 PM
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Kim is incredible. She is brave, strong, and tough as nails. What a class act. Fabulous race, Kim. Can't wait to hear all of the details. I'm so impressed by everything about you today!!!
2010-03-27 4:04 PM
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Awesome job Kim.


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Totally awesome Kim. Under 6 hours. Fantastic.

congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!



2010-03-27 4:22 PM
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A huge PR for our girl!!!  Rest up Kim...we're ready and waiting when you have the time to check in....
2010-03-27 4:25 PM
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Awesome job Kim!  Impressive on many fronts.Cool
2010-03-27 4:28 PM
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Hey Swimming People....I need some help with terminology.

Neg Split.....do I look at my watch to do this? and try to make the second half faster than the first was?
Descend within.....is that for each 25 or each 100?
Threshold pace....do most of you have an exact number?

Can you tell SJ is trying to help me with my speed and propulsion? seriously.

Main Set
400 swim (negative split, 2nd 1/2 is at threshold pace), RI=45sec
4 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
300 neg. split RI=45sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
3 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
200 neg. split RI=20sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2 x 100's descend within RI=10sec
2 x 100 neg. split RI=10sec
100 max effot RI=10sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2010-03-27 4:45 PM
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SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 4:28 PM Hey Swimming People....I need some help with terminology.

Neg Split.....do I look at my watch to do this? and try to make the second half faster than the first was?
Descend within.....is that for each 25 or each 100?
Threshold pace....do most of you have an exact number?

Can you tell SJ is trying to help me with my speed and propulsion? seriously.

Main Set
400 swim (negative split, 2nd 1/2 is at threshold pace), RI=45sec
4 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
300 neg. split RI=45sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
3 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
200 neg. split RI=20sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2 x 100's descend within RI=10sec
2 x 100 neg. split RI=10sec
100 max effot RI=10sec w/ pull buoy & paddles


Does your pool have a pace clock? And if so, do you know how to use it? I eyeball my times on the pace clock and then make the 2nd half faster than the first. I have NEVER used "threshold" pace in a pool. It's always been RPE, really. In college we did lactate testing (via blood via ear lobe), and we ended up having paces that were % efforts (so I knew that a 1:15 100-yard was 80% or whatever...). But you aren't gonna do that, so I would just go RPE. Threshold would be HARD, if I had to guess.

To ME, "descend within" means "build." But you might ask him to clarify. Building is starting off easier or moderate and build into a hard pace so that you're finishing hard. These are debatable as to where you are going your hardest -- use your best judgement. Swimming is so much less of a science than running/biking on this front. Now, if they were "descend 1-4," that would mean the 1st 100 is easy/moderate, 2nd one harder, 3rd one harder still, 4th one is hard. I'd ask SJ to clarify descend within vs. descend or build.

Does that help??

Looks like a great workout!! Enjoy it!!! 
2010-03-27 4:51 PM
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SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 5:28 PM Hey Swimming People....I need some help with terminology.

Neg Split.....do I look at my watch to do this? and try to make the second half faster than the first was?
Descend within.....is that for each 25 or each 100?
Threshold pace....do most of you have an exact number?

Can you tell SJ is trying to help me with my speed and propulsion? seriously.

Main Set
400 swim (negative split, 2nd 1/2 is at threshold pace), RI=45sec
4 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
300 neg. split RI=45sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
3 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
200 neg. split RI=20sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2 x 100's descend within RI=10sec
2 x 100 neg. split RI=10sec
100 max effot RI=10sec w/ pull buoy & paddles


I am not really qualified to answer but for me, if I try and negative split, I usually have a goal time in mind, swim the first half easy to moderate and kick it up the second half.  If I really want to know the numbers, I hit the lap button but don't really take the time to look at my watch.  For descend within, I would go by 25s.
Threshold pace...no idea on a number.

That 100 max effort should be fun after that set!!  Enjoy!


2010-03-27 4:59 PM
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awesome job kim!!!!!!!  super proud of you! 
2010-03-27 5:00 PM
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I would say you are definitely qualified given your swim times...I am a total nimrod with the paddles so it should be an interesting Monday.  Thanks for the help.

PS SJ's definition of LT swim pace is my hands/legs tingle and I feel like I am going to puke...yeah, right.

gdale - 2010-03-27 4:51 PM
SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 5:28 PM Hey Swimming People....I need some help with terminology.

Neg Split.....do I look at my watch to do this? and try to make the second half faster than the first was?
Descend within.....is that for each 25 or each 100?
Threshold pace....do most of you have an exact number?

Can you tell SJ is trying to help me with my speed and propulsion? seriously.

Main Set
400 swim (negative split, 2nd 1/2 is at threshold pace), RI=45sec
4 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
300 neg. split RI=45sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
3 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
200 neg. split RI=20sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2 x 100's descend within RI=10sec
2 x 100 neg. split RI=10sec
100 max effot RI=10sec w/ pull buoy & paddles


I am not really qualified to answer but for me, if I try and negative split, I usually have a goal time in mind, swim the first half easy to moderate and kick it up the second half.  If I really want to know the numbers, I hit the lap button but don't really take the time to look at my watch.  For descend within, I would go by 25s.
Threshold pace...no idea on a number.

That 100 max effort should be fun after that set!!  Enjoy!
2010-03-27 5:06 PM
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SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 5:00 PM I would say you are definitely qualified given your swim times...I am a total nimrod with the paddles so it should be an interesting Monday.  Thanks for the help.

PS SJ's definition of LT swim pace is my hands/legs tingle and I feel like I am going to puke...yeah, right.

gdale - 2010-03-27 4:51 PM
SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 5:28 PM Hey Swimming People....I need some help with terminology.

Neg Split.....do I look at my watch to do this? and try to make the second half faster than the first was?
Descend within.....is that for each 25 or each 100?
Threshold pace....do most of you have an exact number?

Can you tell SJ is trying to help me with my speed and propulsion? seriously.

Main Set
400 swim (negative split, 2nd 1/2 is at threshold pace), RI=45sec
4 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
300 neg. split RI=45sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
3 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
200 neg. split RI=20sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2 x 100's descend within RI=10sec
2 x 100 neg. split RI=10sec
100 max effot RI=10sec w/ pull buoy & paddles


I am not really qualified to answer but for me, if I try and negative split, I usually have a goal time in mind, swim the first half easy to moderate and kick it up the second half.  If I really want to know the numbers, I hit the lap button but don't really take the time to look at my watch.  For descend within, I would go by 25s.
Threshold pace...no idea on a number.

That 100 max effort should be fun after that set!!  Enjoy!


When I pushed a 500 really hard this week, I got what I call "hot stomach." It took me way back -- and reminded me it was a very familiar feeling. THAT is the feeling of me going all-out in the pool. Sometimes "hot stomach" comes up in the mouth a wee bit -- ick. But easier to spit/slosh out in the pool than on the land, right?! 
2010-03-27 5:27 PM
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Great Job Kim, congrats!

2010-03-27 5:30 PM
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Way to go Kim! FANTASTIC JOB!


2010-03-27 5:43 PM
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Well, you guys sure do make me feel like a rockstar! Wow. 
Linda, I sure do wish it had been 38:xx!!!  I'm not sure what happened there other than I am still just a nervous swimmer...that was slightly discouraging to come up with a 52 minute swim, but I was happy to get it done without resorting to the backstroke or breaststroke...once again the wave behind caught up and made me freak out.  Water was 59F, so not too bad, probably should practice OWS before my first race of the season! 
The bike however was just amazing...I was literally flying along (keeping HR in zone 3 so as not to blow up on the run)--that's for you, birdy!--yeah, I was following that little discussion but didn't want to get involved   The monster hills were as advertised, but I was able to stay in the saddle and keep a straight line...lucky to live in SF where the hills are probably worse...funny no one passed me on any of those hills!  They sure did pass me on the flats, though, whirrrr, whirrr, whirrr was all I heard when those men went by me
My run was actually not bad even though it was alot slower than my standalone, but I was able to keep the effort really strong even when I started getting emotional at the turnaround point (2 lap course).  I saw Kathy hollering and she started filming me...I started to think how lucky I am that we are both healthy and I was thinking of Cora...and how much fun she had when she would do races...she was a solid BOP'er who always matched her outfits...it made me determined to keep the effort strong...and I thought of John at mile 11 as usual...I thought of all of you guys probably tracking me and figured I scared the bejesus out of you with a 52 min swim and a 6 min transition...what's up with that!!!  I was emotional in transition and couldn't freaking think straight...well, T2 was slow because I had an Austin Powers just unfrozen sort of potty visit...NO, I could not pee on the bike as usual...I guess I'll have to get some pointers from Tracy and Kyla

I'm exhausted, mentally and physically and got 3 hours of sleep last night and the same the night before that...so it's off for some delicious and hopefully bad for me food and drink and I pray that I can sleep a straight 8 hours!
Thanks to ALL of you for your inspires and support, my goodness, I am just so floored...I definitely felt the love

Kim
2010-03-27 6:48 PM
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kt65 - 2010-03-27 3:43 PM Well, you guys sure do make me feel like a rockstar! Wow. 
Linda, I sure do wish it had been 38:xx!!!  I'm not sure what happened there other than I am still just a nervous swimmer...that was slightly discouraging to come up with a 52 minute swim, but I was happy to get it done without resorting to the backstroke or breaststroke...once again the wave behind caught up and made me freak out.  Water was 59F, so not too bad, probably should practice OWS before my first race of the season! 
The bike however was just amazing...I was literally flying along (keeping HR in zone 3 so as not to blow up on the run)--that's for you, birdy!--yeah, I was following that little discussion but didn't want to get involved   The monster hills were as advertised, but I was able to stay in the saddle and keep a straight line...lucky to live in SF where the hills are probably worse...funny no one passed me on any of those hills!  They sure did pass me on the flats, though, whirrrr, whirrr, whirrr was all I heard when those men went by me
My run was actually not bad even though it was alot slower than my standalone, but I was able to keep the effort really strong even when I started getting emotional at the turnaround point (2 lap course).  I saw Kathy hollering and she started filming me...I started to think how lucky I am that we are both healthy and I was thinking of Cora...and how much fun she had when she would do races...she was a solid BOP'er who always matched her outfits...it made me determined to keep the effort strong...and I thought of John at mile 11 as usual...I thought of all of you guys probably tracking me and figured I scared the bejesus out of you with a 52 min swim and a 6 min transition...what's up with that!!!  I was emotional in transition and couldn't freaking think straight...well, T2 was slow because I had an Austin Powers just unfrozen sort of potty visit...NO, I could not pee on the bike as usual...I guess I'll have to get some pointers from Tracy and Kyla

I'm exhausted, mentally and physically and got 3 hours of sleep last night and the same the night before that...so it's off for some delicious and hopefully bad for me food and drink and I pray that I can sleep a straight 8 hours!
Thanks to ALL of you for your inspires and support, my goodness, I am just so floored...I definitely felt the love

Kim



WAY TO GO!!!!! ENJOY YOUR EVENING, GET SOME REST! 
2010-03-27 7:49 PM
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kt65 - 2010-03-27 6:43 PM Well, you guys sure do make me feel like a rockstar! Wow. 
Linda, I sure do wish it had been 38:xx!!!  I'm not sure what happened there other than I am still just a nervous swimmer...that was slightly discouraging to come up with a 52 minute swim, but I was happy to get it done without resorting to the backstroke or breaststroke...once again the wave behind caught up and made me freak out.  Water was 59F, so not too bad, probably should practice OWS before my first race of the season! 
The bike however was just amazing...I was literally flying along (keeping HR in zone 3 so as not to blow up on the run)--that's for you, birdy!--yeah, I was following that little discussion but didn't want to get involved   The monster hills were as advertised, but I was able to stay in the saddle and keep a straight line...lucky to live in SF where the hills are probably worse...funny no one passed me on any of those hills!  They sure did pass me on the flats, though, whirrrr, whirrr, whirrr was all I heard when those men went by me
My run was actually not bad even though it was alot slower than my standalone, but I was able to keep the effort really strong even when I started getting emotional at the turnaround point (2 lap course).  I saw Kathy hollering and she started filming me...I started to think how lucky I am that we are both healthy and I was thinking of Cora...and how much fun she had when she would do races...she was a solid BOP'er who always matched her outfits...it made me determined to keep the effort strong...and I thought of John at mile 11 as usual...I thought of all of you guys probably tracking me and figured I scared the bejesus out of you with a 52 min swim and a 6 min transition...what's up with that!!!  I was emotional in transition and couldn't freaking think straight...well, T2 was slow because I had an Austin Powers just unfrozen sort of potty visit...NO, I could not pee on the bike as usual...I guess I'll have to get some pointers from Tracy and Kyla

I'm exhausted, mentally and physically and got 3 hours of sleep last night and the same the night before that...so it's off for some delicious and hopefully bad for me food and drink and I pray that I can sleep a straight 8 hours!
Thanks to ALL of you for your inspires and support, my goodness, I am just so floored...I definitely felt the love

Kim


You are a Rockstar! 
Congrats on an awesome day!
2010-03-27 7:50 PM
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Congrats on a stellar race!  I cannot imagine what it required of you especially with the entire situation being factored in.  You absolutely rocked the race.  Those run times... holy hell! Your strength is a huge inspiration to me.  Congrats again rockstar!
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kkcbelle - 2010-03-27 6:06 PM
SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 5:00 PM I would say you are definitely qualified given your swim times...I am a total nimrod with the paddles so it should be an interesting Monday.  Thanks for the help.

PS SJ's definition of LT swim pace is my hands/legs tingle and I feel like I am going to puke...yeah, right.

gdale - 2010-03-27 4:51 PM
SSMinnow - 2010-03-27 5:28 PM Hey Swimming People....I need some help with terminology.

Neg Split.....do I look at my watch to do this? and try to make the second half faster than the first was?
Descend within.....is that for each 25 or each 100?
Threshold pace....do most of you have an exact number?

Can you tell SJ is trying to help me with my speed and propulsion? seriously.

Main Set
400 swim (negative split, 2nd 1/2 is at threshold pace), RI=45sec
4 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
300 neg. split RI=45sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
3 x 100's descend within RI=45sec
200 neg. split RI=20sec w/ pull buoy & paddles
2 x 100's descend within RI=10sec
2 x 100 neg. split RI=10sec
100 max effot RI=10sec w/ pull buoy & paddles


I am not really qualified to answer but for me, if I try and negative split, I usually have a goal time in mind, swim the first half easy to moderate and kick it up the second half.  If I really want to know the numbers, I hit the lap button but don't really take the time to look at my watch.  For descend within, I would go by 25s.
Threshold pace...no idea on a number.

That 100 max effort should be fun after that set!!  Enjoy!


When I pushed a 500 really hard this week, I got what I call "hot stomach." It took me way back -- and reminded me it was a very familiar feeling. THAT is the feeling of me going all-out in the pool. Sometimes "hot stomach" comes up in the mouth a wee bit -- ick. But easier to spit/slosh out in the pool than on the land, right?! 


Great way to describe it!  I get that during a swim sometime...although haven't gotten to the point that it comes up a bit LOL!

I also get that during a hard run but have yet to get myself to that point on the bike.


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kt65 - 2010-03-27 5:43 PM Well, you guys sure do make me feel like a rockstar! Wow. 
Linda, I sure do wish it had been 38:xx!!!  I'm not sure what happened there other than I am still just a nervous swimmer...that was slightly discouraging to come up with a 52 minute swim, but I was happy to get it done without resorting to the backstroke or breaststroke...once again the wave behind caught up and made me freak out.  Water was 59F, so not too bad, probably should practice OWS before my first race of the season! 
The bike however was just amazing...I was literally flying along (keeping HR in zone 3 so as not to blow up on the run)--that's for you, birdy!--yeah, I was following that little discussion but didn't want to get involved   The monster hills were as advertised, but I was able to stay in the saddle and keep a straight line...lucky to live in SF where the hills are probably worse...funny no one passed me on any of those hills!  They sure did pass me on the flats, though, whirrrr, whirrr, whirrr was all I heard when those men went by me
My run was actually not bad even though it was alot slower than my standalone, but I was able to keep the effort really strong even when I started getting emotional at the turnaround point (2 lap course).  I saw Kathy hollering and she started filming me...I started to think how lucky I am that we are both healthy and I was thinking of Cora...and how much fun she had when she would do races...she was a solid BOP'er who always matched her outfits...it made me determined to keep the effort strong...and I thought of John at mile 11 as usual...I thought of all of you guys probably tracking me and figured I scared the bejesus out of you with a 52 min swim and a 6 min transition...what's up with that!!!  I was emotional in transition and couldn't freaking think straight...well, T2 was slow because I had an Austin Powers just unfrozen sort of potty visit...NO, I could not pee on the bike as usual...I guess I'll have to get some pointers from Tracy and Kyla

I'm exhausted, mentally and physically and got 3 hours of sleep last night and the same the night before that...so it's off for some delicious and hopefully bad for me food and drink and I pray that I can sleep a straight 8 hours!
Thanks to ALL of you for your inspires and support, my goodness, I am just so floored...I definitely felt the love

Kim



Awesome race Kim!  Get some rest.  :-)
2010-03-27 8:08 PM
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Kim:

I am totally and completely impressed with you efforts and results today! Wow! Hopefully, you will have a good night's sleep and be able to take your mind off things for a few hours. While I did not posst during your race I did check up on how you were doing a couple of times. I was at a triathlon Expo in MD andmet marmadaddy and ron. Mike said: Isn't SWBKRUN that crazy active group?
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2010-03-27 8:09 PM
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Tony and I are finally back home after our 7 hrs. of driving today to make it down and back for our 1 hr. race.  LOL

Anyway - I had good race.  Swim ok (still needs lots of work) - bike awesome - run good.  I finished 3rd in my AG so all in all a great way to start the race season.

I'll get the race report up as soon as the race posts splits.  Now I'm off to pack up for a long ride tomorrow.  At least mine is only 2 hrs. Tony has a 3 1/2 ride / 20 min run brick. 
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CONGRATS SAM!!!  Awesome way to start to the season.  Tony filled me in a little on his day.  Running down 13 year olds.  LOL!!!

If you talk to Linda she'll send you you're Lone Star swim time.  She's got me at 28:34. 
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