Fred D's triathlon training group CLOSED (Page 28)
-
No new posts
Moderators: alicefoeller | Reply |
|
![]() ![]() |
Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2012-04-20 12:08 PM Off to Vegas in an hour or so for tomorrow's race. Was going to swim about 20 minutes and run about 20 minutes last night, but.. got near the gym, wasn't feeling it, so turned left and drove home to pack Everyone have a great weekend! Good luck! Have fun! |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() Fred D - 2012-04-20 6:19 AM mndiver - 2012-04-20 12:04 PM To all the tire experts out there. What do you feel is the best tire out therefor overall racing and training? I have been using the GP4000's for the past 6 years and have like them, but they are so expensive. $70 each last time I got them and they only last 2,000 miles if lucky. Had one last a week when I blew out the side wall. Looking for ideas. Training: gator skins. Racing: specialized mondo open tubulars (note this is a clincher)Training: I vary between Serfas Survior Series (like a gatorskin) and Conti GP4000s. I'll use the Survivor tires when I don't care how fast I go, I use the Contis when I'm I'm doing more group riding with strong riders. I'll get dropped with the Survivor tires...they're that slow. Racing: First season with Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX tires. Was using the Conti GP4000s, but I really like these tires. I would have gone for the Specialized Mondos...but couldn't find them available. For overall training and racing...I like the GP4000S. I've seen so many flats during training on the Mich PR3. I've only used the Mich PR3 once...because it came on the used 404 I bought. Tire was in great shape so I figured I would give it a shot. Side wall blowout in my second race. I vowed...never again. Luckily it was a C race for me and I didn't care. |
![]() ![]() |
Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-04-20 12:45 PM Anyone have any thoughts on dogs attacking on the bike or run? Tom D. Has a few thoughts. On a serious note this is an issue that troubles me. I don't have a great strategy to defend against dogs except that the routes I ride tend to not have many dogs. What strategy do you use? I have been chased twice by dogs, one time I just lasted longer than the dog and it never really got closer than the rear wheel. The other time the dog was a bit more aggressive going after my feet, but my friend I was riding with sprayed the water from his bottle and then hit it a couple of times the dog turned back. My brother in law has the bar mounted pepper spray kit. They sell them at Dicks' Sporting Goods stores in Florida where he lives. I am sure probably other places as well. He claims the one time he had to use it the dog turned back yelping and now when he rides by the dog lifts his head and then just goes back to sleep. I am guessing since I can't find them in NY that it is probably against the law here, but I can't say for sure. I have found that there are areas that people are more likely to have an invisible fence installed and areas that they don't. I try to stay in the areas that have the fences. Both times I was chased we were riding the course for the local tri and that route is fairly rural and in an agricultural area. |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() This user's post has been ignored. |
![]() ![]() |
Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Rudy - saw the pics of your bikes. Way to rock the pink with the Tri Bike! And your Litespeed, well, it just looks fast. |
![]() ![]() |
![]() Fred D - 2012-04-20 6:16 AM GoFaster - 2012-04-20 12:12 PM I use a butyl spare with a 80mm valve which doesn't need an extender. Generally you don't want to use a latex tube as your spare as the CO2 bleeds out too quickly. Taking off the extender isn't that easy to do without turning really hard or even using a wrench.tasr - 2012-04-19 5:44 PM GoFaster - 2012-04-19 5:13 PM Thanks again James. For the valve extenders everyone uses, do you thread these and leave on while riding, or inflate and then remove the extender? Also, does anyone find a benefit to running the extender if you have a disc cover? Can't watch the video at work, but one fial question. If you flat, do you remove the extender, then take out the tube, replace tube and add extender, and inflate. OR, do you remove tube and extender together and then add extender to new tube before putting it on the rim. Sorry - just trying to wrap my head around how this works. To Fred's point about plumber's tape, will you carry your spare with some tape already on the valve? x2 If you don't have a 80 mm spare, or if you're running something deeper like an 808, you want to have your spare tube already prepped with a valve extender and plumber tape. So essentially, you might need 3-4 valve extenders. 2 on each of the tube's you're running, 1-2 for your spares. You don't want to be fiddling with valve extenders during a race while changing a flat...and you'll want to test the seal on the valve extenders for your spares before you put them in your flat kit. |
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() Niel, So here's my race day process for tubes. 1. Latex tubes for both race wheels. Valve extenders with plumbers tape. Before putting them in the tire, inflate lightly to make sure the seal on the valve extender is good. Last thing you'll want to do is install the tube, then find out your seal isn't good, and you'll have to take it back out. If you're using a valve extender with a removeable core, then you may want to submerge the valve under water to make sure there are no slow leaks. 2. Install them very carefully to make sure there are no pinches as latex tends to fold up much easier then butyl. Pump up to about 30-40 PSI, then again check to make sure there are no pinches between the tire and the inside of the rim. 3. Air up to full pressure. Again, if using removeable core, you want to double check that seal is good. I would recommend waiting 2-3 hours to see if it still holds pressure. If you're not using a removeable core, and you can air up to full pressure, you should be good to go. Take it out for a test ride. 4. Setting up my spares. Preferrable to use butyl tubes with long enough valves so you don't need a valve extender. But if you do, attache the valve extender with plumber's tape and test it out. Make sure the seal is good just like step 1. Keep in mind, if you're going to use a disc or disc covered training wheel and a 404 front, you likely can't use a 80mm spare tube if your rear flats...because the valve will be too long for you to get your CO2 head on it. If you have a disc cover, you can possibly make the hole in the cover bigger, or you can take the time to remove part of the cover while changing the flat. Or you can carry a separate 48mm valve tube, or a 48mm valve tube with an extender...knowing that if your rear flats, you'll need to take the extender off. |
![]() ![]() |
Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wow, i was busy at work today. Tires:
I train on Maxxis detonators, no issues, they work well and are cheap. butyl tubes in all training tires Last year my Roadie had Pro 3 races, i had ZERO issues with these tires, and i even trained on them occasionally, i found them to be fast and predictable. My TT rig had Vittoria corsa CX tubbies, no issues either, they felt funny while cornering, but that is a tubbie compared to a clincher this year i am using Schwalbe Ultremo ZX clinchers on both race bikes, both bikes are equipped with latex tubes from Challenge. I am happy with these tires, i have had no issues, they seem to have good grip and are plenty fast.
race day, i did not carry a spare on the TT bike for anything shorter than a half Iron, i carrie a full tubbie spare for that. in a sprint or Oly, if i flat, i go home. in a half, i will carry a butyl tube with the longest ext i have, it should work for both tires. I have an 88mm deep front with a 100mm ext that screws into the tube, i make sure i buy tubes that only have removable cores. if i flat twice, well, lets no think about that, lol!!!
|
![]() ![]() |
Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Rudedog55 - 2012-04-20 5:32 PM in a sprint or Oly, if i flat, i go home.
Question on this part - this is the approach I've taken up until now, but I'm rethinking that mindset. I just spent all this money, am I really walking back to transition? But at the same time, I think it's pointless to change a tire if you're chasing a podium spot. How about this as an alternative? I've got to assume if you have it strapped to the saddle or seatpost you're losing 30 seconds to a minute and the day may not be over. Thoughts. |
![]() ![]() |
Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Actually, I prefer to carry this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=hutchinson+fast+air&oe=UTF... It has a flexible hose which makes it easier to fit on a disc valve extension. I also don't carry anything for an Olympic but for a Half and Full, I go with a spare tubular, CO2, chuck, tire lever, and razor blade. |
![]() ![]() |
Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bryancd - 2012-04-20 6:25 PM Actually, I prefer to carry this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=hutchinson+fast+air&oe... It has a flexible hose which makes it easier to fit on a disc valve extension. I also don't carry anything for an Olympic but for a Half and Full, I go with a spare tubular, CO2, chuck, tire lever, and razor blade. Hey Bryan - have you had the opportunity to actually use the Hutchinson? I like the looks of the new version (flexible hose and what looks like a screw on tip?). I carried the older version for a while, but only got to use it once, fortunately. It seemed to foam immediately when it can out of the can and at least with the old system was kind of a mess because of that. I have most recently been using Effetto Mariposa Espresso, which like the newer Hutchinson has a flexible tube for delivery (but no screw on tip - it just slides over the valve stem). I used it once on an old tubular just to make sure it worked with the older zipp valve extenders that fit over the core. iIt went in nice and clean - it appeared to go into the tire in pure liquid form but still sealed up quickly and the valve still worked so I could add a bit more air. My race day repair kit is the same as yours - the only thing that I have added is a deflator pin to actually let the air out of my tire in case I have to - I run an 808/1080 and have a 91mm extender mounted up on the spare. Zipp has recently come out with integrated valve extenders that work with removable core tubes - I may switch over to those. |
|
![]() ![]() |
Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have used it in practice but never in a race. |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() This user's post has been ignored. |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() This user's post has been ignored. |
![]() ![]() |
Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Congratulations Bryan- that is a mighty fine start to the season. |
![]() ![]() |
Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-04-21 7:34 AMI am about to go for a ride myself.Supposed to be a bad weather weekend but this am is supposed to be a bit better so I will take advantage of it.What's on for training? waiting for a bit of weather to clear here then out for a 2:15/:50 brick. Both bike and run are at a hard effort. Tomorrow is a 1 hour OWS. |
|
![]() ![]() |
Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Congrats on the win Bryan! |
![]() ![]() |
![]() | ![]() Going to try and sneak a ride in if the pager stays quiet this morning. Then more packing of the house (strength training lifting the boxes and stuff right?) |
![]() ![]() |
Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-04-21 7:33 AM Thanks for that Bryan and congrats on your recent race win. For those that don't know Bryan was the outright winner of an olympic try last weekend! Congratulations Bryan! |
![]() ![]() |
Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-04-21 7:34 AM I am about to go for a ride myself. Supposed to be a bad weather weekend but this am is supposed to be a bit better so I will take advantage of it. What's on for training? Going to hop on the trainer when I get out of work, had to come in for a little bit this morning. I was hoping to ride outside, but the rain is here and with it the temps have dropped. Tomorrow is at least supposed to be clear, I can dress for the cold so I will do the longer bike tomorrow. |
![]() ![]() |
Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TankBoy - 2012-04-21 7:45 AM Fred D - 2012-04-21 7:34 AMI am about to go for a ride myself.Supposed to be a bad weather weekend but this am is supposed to be a bit better so I will take advantage of it.What's on for training? waiting for a bit of weather to clear here then out for a 2:15/:50 brick. Both bike and run are at a hard effort. Tomorrow is a 1 hour OWS. Sadly, it's a trainer day - the roads are wet and some life things are in the way of getting out - but Netflix should keep us occupied. It's probably a good thing. I am pretty exhausted from the week - both training, work and life. We have a fancy event for my husband's work later tonight so my run tomorrow will likely be later than usual but it should be fun. |
|
![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() This user's post has been ignored. |
![]() ![]() |
Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey, thanks everyone. It was a good confidence builder going into IMSG in two weeks. Had a really good long run this morning that is the cherry on the sundae of this IM build. |
![]() ![]() |
Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bryancd - 2012-04-20 5:25 PMActually, I prefer to carry this:http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=hutchinson+fast+air&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=213243971412994493&sa=X&ei=69-RT8iVBqbc2AXz8OmHBQ&ved=0CDUQ8wIwAAIt has a flexible hose which makes it easier to fit on a disc valve extension. I also don't carry anything for an Olympic but for a Half and Full, I go with a spare tubular, CO2, chuck, tire lever, and razor blade. I have never used these instant fill type items you guys are talking about but they sound really cool and convenient. What's the catch? Why wouldn't I ditch the tubes, co cartridges, etc for this type of set up? Weighing in at 215-220 I would worry about not getting enough air in to prevent future pinch flats, but maybe this prevents those also. Bryan, you say you still bring all the spare items for half and full. Why? I'm guessing there is some catch I am not seeing and would like to know about it before switching over. Thanks for the input. |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() This user's post has been ignored. |
|