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2009-03-11 3:29 PM
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2009-03-11 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
lisac957 - 2009-03-11 11:20 AM

Rogillio - 2009-03-11 11:02 AM Are you really gonna withhold someone's medal just because their 6 yo got all excitred when she saw Daddy running down the shoot after waiting for him for 16 hrs?

Yes. Daddy needs to communicate with his family prior to the race what the rules are.
I've also never understoond the mentality of "the rules don't apply to me."



You've never been a 6 year old boy, have you. Listening to instructions isn't one of their strong suits.
2009-03-11 3:32 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
JBrashear - 2009-03-11 4:29 PM
lisac957 - 2009-03-11 11:20 AM

Rogillio - 2009-03-11 11:02 AM Are you really gonna withhold someone's medal just because their 6 yo got all excitred when she saw Daddy running down the shoot after waiting for him for 16 hrs?

Yes. Daddy needs to communicate with his family prior to the race what the rules are.
I've also never understoond the mentality of "the rules don't apply to me."

You've never been a 6 year old boy, have you. Listening to instructions isn't one of their strong suits.

No, but I think adults are equipped to handle the rule-following for everyone involved...

Not an excuse, sorry. I nannied for years. I know what kids are like. Let's not make this a "parents vs non-parents" debate. That's how the last thread on this subject got VERY ugly.



Edited by wurkit_gurl 2009-03-11 3:37 PM
2009-03-11 3:37 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
JBrashear - 2009-03-11 3:29 PM
lisac957 - 2009-03-11 11:20 AM

Rogillio - 2009-03-11 11:02 AM Are you really gonna withhold someone's medal just because their 6 yo got all excitred when she saw Daddy running down the shoot after waiting for him for 16 hrs?

Yes. Daddy needs to communicate with his family prior to the race what the rules are.
I've also never understoond the mentality of "the rules don't apply to me."

You've never been a 6 year old boy, have you. Listening to instructions isn't one of their strong suits.

Pretty weak excuse for breaking the rules, if you ask me.

 



Edited by lisac957 2009-03-11 3:37 PM
2009-03-11 3:38 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

bryancd - 2009-03-11 1:08 PM If you have any friends or family with you at the end of an Ironman finish you most likely didn't train enough.

Heh

2009-03-11 3:40 PM
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bryancd - 2009-03-11 1:08 PM If you have any friends or family with you at the end of an Ironman finish you most likely didn't train enough.

Good one!

I think I found a new sig.

-ak-



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2009-03-11 3:43 PM
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If you have any friends or family with you at the end of an Ironman finish you most likely didn't train enough.

HA! Best quote of the day      Words of a true Kona veteran.

2009-03-11 3:45 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
wurkit_gurl - 2009-03-11 4:32 PM
JBrashear - 2009-03-11 4:29 PM
lisac957 - 2009-03-11 11:20 AM

Rogillio - 2009-03-11 11:02 AM Are you really gonna withhold someone's medal just because their 6 yo got all excitred when she saw Daddy running down the shoot after waiting for him for 16 hrs?

Yes. Daddy needs to communicate with his family prior to the race what the rules are.
I've also never understoond the mentality of "the rules don't apply to me."

You've never been a 6 year old boy, have you. Listening to instructions isn't one of their strong suits.

No, but I think adults are equipped to handle the rule-following for everyone involved...

Not an excuse, sorry. I nannied for years. I know what kids are like. Let's not make this a "parents vs non-parents" debate. That's how the last thread on this subject got VERY ugly.

 

x2.

It's one thing to debate whether the rule is a good idea or a bad idea, whether it is enforced and whether those who break it should be DQd.

It's another to say "oh, my kid ran across the finish line because he's six and I can't control him"

2009-03-11 3:52 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

Oops - nm.



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2009-03-11 4:11 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
SKDickey - 2009-03-11 12:46 PM
jldicarlo - 2009-03-11 10:59 AM

See, where I disagree with this is....they are potentially ruining another athlete's finish line experience.

I did my first IM at AZ in November.  I was VERY surprised towards the end how important it became to me to have the finish chute to myself.  There were so many people around me all the time that I didn't think it was going to happen.  Then magically about a quarter mile from the finish I found myself...alone.  I turned the corner and there was NO ONE ahead of me...I looked behind me and NO ONE there either.  I was SO stoked.  The finish line is important to people.

I would hate for someone's finish line experience to be less than what they wanted because some dude's family ahead of him couldn't get out of the way.  You can't blame another ATHLETE who gets in the way...you both are racing.  But I would be pizzed if someone's family was in my way.

But the reverse is true - what if the presence of someone's spouse or child makes that victory even sweeter for that particular athlete?  I agree the rules are the rules and if this is what they are going for then they should enforce it.  But, I'm not sure I agree with the rule. 

A friend of mine had a good point - athletes will have to weigh the need for a finishers medal against the family finish.

 

 

i cannot imagine a situation where someone would decide not to participate in a tri because their kid can't cross with them.  it's not like they can't be there watching, they just don't belong running on the race course. 

i agree, a finishers chute is for the finishers.

i also can't imagine that this rule came about for no reason..... if ONE kid gets hurt while in the chute that is most likely (legally) the races fault....unless they do what they are doing and make a policy about it.  one court case and that raises all of our costs.  unfortunately this stuff happens these days.



Edited by hooslisa 2009-03-11 4:12 PM
2009-03-11 4:14 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
lisac957 - 2009-03-11 3:37 PM

JBrashear - 2009-03-11 3:29 PM
lisac957 - 2009-03-11 11:20 AM

Rogillio - 2009-03-11 11:02 AM Are you really gonna withhold someone's medal just because their 6 yo got all excitred when she saw Daddy running down the shoot after waiting for him for 16 hrs?

Yes. Daddy needs to communicate with his family prior to the race what the rules are.
I've also never understoond the mentality of "the rules don't apply to me."

You've never been a 6 year old boy, have you. Listening to instructions isn't one of their strong suits.

Pretty weak excuse for breaking the rules, if you ask me.



Or maybe it was just a joke....


(i don't have kids)


2009-03-11 4:19 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

I think crossing the finish line is way over rated!  It's a race...and you lost...not only did you lose but you lost ugly!  You didn't come in 2nd or 3rd...you came in 1,975th place! 

Nevertheless,  people get real emotional about their accomplishment and earned the right to have their finish line experience - with or without friends and family....I don't really care.  But the rules are what they are.  My only beef with the rule is how it is presented...as if's it's not really a rule but "the lawyers are making us say this".

 

~Mike

 

2009-03-11 4:48 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
But I think that's the key difference now, Mike. There's no wink and nod going on anymore, at least that's my perception.

My parents have worked as catchers at IMLP and several times saw situations where athletes nearly dropped their kids except for the diligence and quick reactions of the volunteers.
2009-03-11 6:12 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

Can't say I blame them.  Will be nice if they can enforce it.

You can't do it in almost all running races, so why should it be allowed in an IM?  Just because it is longer???

2009-03-11 7:30 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
popsracer - 2009-03-11 10:21 AM

I'm not sure about the safety aspect of it. How many people have actually been injured because of this? It seems like its motivated more by griping of other athletes that have had to finish alongside or behind someone and his three kids. I could see this more as a safety concern in a shorter distance where I have seen many sprints to the finish.

"In response to ongoing athlete feedback, Ironman has chosen to adopt this policy to ensure the safety of all participants, volunteers and fans."

As far as the ability to enforce, they say they will DQ anyone who violates the policy.

It would be my preference not to finish amongst the Brady Bunch.


Screw safety! I don't want someone with their kids in my photos!

2009-03-11 8:48 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
I have helped in the chutes before, and I gladly welcome this.


2009-03-11 8:49 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
Daremo - 2009-03-11 6:12 PM

Can't say I blame them.  Will be nice if they can enforce it.

You can't do it in almost all running races, so why should it be allowed in an IM?  Just because it is longer???

Thank you for making my point!  We don't do it at other races... why this one?

I also finish line caught and I had several times when the athlete was hit with fatigue the moment they crossed the line and we had to grab the kid, when our attention should have been on the athlete falling to the ground... not safe at all.

Plus, I don't have kids, but I am going to have a whole group of supporters there at IM Moo 2009... I don't think it is fair that my mom, dad and main supporter with training can't cross with me and get in their pictures and moment.

But that is just me.

2009-03-11 10:40 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
JorgeM - 2009-03-11 10:05 AM
SKDickey - 2009-03-11 11:46 AM  I agree the rules are the rules and if this is what they are going for then they should enforce it.  But, I'm not sure I agree with the rule. 

A friend of mine had a good point - athletes will have to weigh the need for a finishers medal against the family finish.

Rules are rules and people should follow those whether it is been enforced or not. It is like drafting; just because RDs cant place a marshal riding next to you all day doesn't mean you should take advantage and cheat because the rule is not been actively enforced no?

To the OP - If the WTC/NAS is going to continue making these announcements they should then go ahead and actually enforce the rule DQing and denying finishers medal/shirt/etc for those ignoring it or simple just stop making this 'rules' which seems are not meant to be followed and get rid of it altogether to avoid this ongoing debate.

So we'll make it illegal everywhere but Clearwater?

2009-03-11 11:07 PM
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JorgeM - 2009-03-11 1:48 PM Sure, the finishing rule with a family member or your entire family plus your cat, dog and parrot is not as frown upon as drafting...


If my parrot is on my shoulder the whole way can he cross with me since he did the distance?
2009-03-11 11:11 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
Daremo - 2009-03-11 7:12 PM

Can't say I blame them.  Will be nice if they can enforce it.

You can't do it in almost all running races, so why should it be allowed in an IM?  Just because it is longer???



For my first crit I am gonna borrow someones 6 y/o, throw em on a bike and finish that last lap with me as I crush those Cat4/5s .. it will be an awesome experience
2009-03-11 11:45 PM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

KSH - 2009-03-11 7:30 PM
popsracer - 2009-03-11 10:21 AM I'm not sure about the safety aspect of it. How many people have actually been injured because of this? It seems like its motivated more by griping of other athletes that have had to finish alongside or behind someone and his three kids. I could see this more as a safety concern in a shorter distance where I have seen many sprints to the finish. "In response to ongoing athlete feedback, Ironman has chosen to adopt this policy to ensure the safety of all participants, volunteers and fans." As far as the ability to enforce, they say they will DQ anyone who violates the policy. It would be my preference not to finish amongst the Brady Bunch.
Screw safety! I don't want someone with their kids in my photos!

ditto...I haven't done IM but I don't like ANYONE in my finishing photos of all of the other distances, unless it is a guy and he is BEHIND me!



2009-03-12 12:36 AM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
crea0029 - 2009-03-11 6:49 PM

Daremo - 2009-03-11 6:12 PM

Can't say I blame them.  Will be nice if they can enforce it.

You can't do it in almost all running races, so why should it be allowed in an IM?  Just because it is longer???

Thank you for making my point!  We don't do it at other races... why this one?



...Because IM participants seem perpetually divided between those for whom it is a race and those for whom it is a rite of passage (or a bucket list item...which is ultimately the same thing). For some, it's a really challenging athletic competition; for others, it's the culmination (and validation) of a journey of personal transformation. Rites of passage--weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs--attract a crowd of witnesses as a rule, so why would this one be different?

Speaking for myself, I'm not a big fan of family in the finish chute--I mean it would be cool to have my 72 year old dad cross the line with me this summer at Vineman, but I'll find other ways to share the experience with him--but individual opinions aren't going to reconcile these two views of the event. Either the organizers will or won't clean up the finish line...and the only reason they would is going to come down from the good folks in Risk Management. Either it is or it isn't a real exposure. If it isn't seen as a serious liability risk, then they'll just put out policy announcements as a legal fig leaf. If they are actually concerned, you'll see enforcement. I wouldn't bet on the latter, though.


Edited by tcovert 2009-03-12 12:39 AM
2009-03-12 3:14 AM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

Here, look at their faces.  They spent the whole day outside waiting for just a glimpse of me.  They little ones up past their bedtimes working on no naps, my wife juggling a 4, 3, 1yr old and my parents for 11:11:39.  Not one of them complained they didn't get to run across the finish.  Each one of them took pictures with me and all of them were super freakin happy to be a part of the Ironman experience.  They didn't leave Panama City Beach sad because they didn't cross the finish line they were freakin happy they were there for the moment.  This picture was taken not 5 minutes after I finished and when you talk to them today about that day they still smile like I just came across. 

My family is just happy to be there, and i'm happy to have them there.

 





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2009-03-12 7:40 AM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs

 

...Because IM participants seem perpetually divided between those for whom it is a race and those for whom it is a rite of passage (or a bucket list item...which is ultimately the same thing). For some, it's a really challenging athletic competition; for others, it's the culmination (and validation) of a journey of personal transformation. Rites of passage--weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs--attract a crowd of witnesses as a rule, so why would this one be different? Speaking for myself, I'm not a big fan of family in the finish chute--I mean it would be cool to have my 72 year old dad cross the line with me this summer at Vineman, but I'll find other ways to share the experience with him--but individual opinions aren't going to reconcile these two views of the event. Either the organizers will or won't clean up the finish line...and the only reason they would is going to come down from the good folks in Risk Management. Either it is or it isn't a real exposure. If it isn't seen as a serious liability risk, then they'll just put out policy announcements as a legal fig leaf. If they are actually concerned, you'll see enforcement. I wouldn't bet on the latter, though.

 

2x on both your paragraphs!  Well said and amen brother!  You are exactly right about the two schools of thought.  For some (probably most) it's just a triathon...a very long race but just an athletic competition and for some it is a life affirming experience as indicated in the picture posted in the post above mine. 

I like the phrase 'legal fig leaf'.  I'm gonna have to steal that as my own!  Good analogy.  Someone at M-dot decided to step it up a notch and post the written policy on the internet.  Does that mean they are going to disqualify this happy gentleman in the photo above?  Not likely.  M-dot is a for profit bidness and that is just bad press.  Even if they did DQ someone, does that type of finisher really care?  It's not like they were racking up USAT points and trying to KQ. 

Let people enjoy their accomplishment they way they want to.  The worst case it is will causes you to speed up or slow down a little to avoid having happy, tearful people in you picture.  And OMG, is it all about the finish photo?!  If that's the case, you're just as bad.  And if the added 10 seconds causes you to miss you AG KQ, then you should have trained harder to have more margin.  :-)

~Mike



Edited by Rogillio 2009-03-12 7:41 AM
2009-03-12 7:43 AM
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Subject: RE: No finish line friends at IM and HIMs
uclamatt2007 - 2009-03-11 10:40 PM
JorgeM - 2009-03-11 10:05 AM
SKDickey - 2009-03-11 11:46 AM  I agree the rules are the rules and if this is what they are going for then they should enforce it.  But, I'm not sure I agree with the rule. 

A friend of mine had a good point - athletes will have to weigh the need for a finishers medal against the family finish.

Rules are rules and people should follow those whether it is been enforced or not. It is like drafting; just because RDs cant place a marshal riding next to you all day doesn't mean you should take advantage and cheat because the rule is not been actively enforced no?

To the OP - If the WTC/NAS is going to continue making these announcements they should then go ahead and actually enforce the rule DQing and denying finishers medal/shirt/etc for those ignoring it or simple just stop making this 'rules' which seems are not meant to be followed and get rid of it altogether to avoid this ongoing debate.

So we'll make it illegal everywhere but Clearwater?

and IM Florida and FL 70.3 and SteelHead 70.3 and RI 70.3 and Kona and...
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