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 2010-05-06 8:49 AM in reply to: #2840689 |
Master  4101   Denver |  Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.]TriRSquared - 2010-05-06 7:10 AM Desmond is "The Constant" (an episode title in Season 4 about Desmond). He's the one that is going to bring the two realities together. I belive the MIB/Locke only "needs" one of the candidates. It's going to come down to Sawyer/Jack/Hurley. I think two of the others will die at some point. What about the kid that MIB/Locke keeps seeing? That's got to have some meaning. It's really unimportant if Miles is alive but they had better bring some closure to Ben's storyline. I really did not see 4 people getting killed off in one episode coming. The scene with Sun & Jin reminded me of the scene in "The Abyss" where Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio "drowns" as Ed Harris has to watch. Really moving. Next week's episode looks AWESOME. To bad I'm on vacation and will have to wait 2 weeks !!!! Yeah, I think that kid is probably important too. Interesting that FLocke was surprised that Sawyer and other people could see him. I saw one theory that the kid is Jacob and that he's 'aging', kind of like a ticking clock for FLocke and once he's fully grown FLocke will have run out of time to get off the island. I like that theory about Claire replacing FLocke. Then if you have Jack replacing Jacob you'd have brother vs. sister... Saw an interview with the producers yesterday whee they said one of the main reasons for killing off Sayid and Jin & Sun was to lay it out there that FLocke is evil, to remove any doubts about that. You think missing next weeks is going to be bad - I'm going to miss the last two weeks of it, including the finale!! |
| 2010-05-06 9:21 AM in reply to: #2837508 |
Pro 4311 Texas | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] I got the impression that the kid gets explained in the next episode, but I could be wrong. |
| 2010-05-06 9:44 AM in reply to: #2840949 |
Champion 6056   Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] OK, enough of the Big Picture. The thing that made no sense to me was how they chose to raid the sub. They had all just watched TSM take out all the baddies at the cages and now the plan was for Sawyer and Co. to go in shooting to take over the sub? Sorry, that made no sense. Why put themselves at risk, and why have Locke/TSM just hang back? If I was Sawyer, when they got to the sub, I would have just said, "OK, Smokey, do your thing." Instead, Kate gets shot and the group gets played by Locke. Just didn't buy it. But then, there are a lot of things about this show I'm not buying. It's just kind of gone all Melrose Place for me. |
| 2010-05-06 9:47 AM in reply to: #2841064 |
Pro 4311 Texas | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] scoobysdad - 2010-05-06 9:44 AM OK, enough of the Big Picture. The thing that made no sense to me was how they chose to raid the sub. They had all just watched TSM take out all the baddies at the cages and now the plan was for Sawyer and Co. to go in shooting to take over the sub? Sorry, that made no sense. Why put themselves at risk, and why have Locke/TSM just hang back? If I was Sawyer, when they got to the sub, I would have just said, "OK, Smokey, do your thing." Instead, Kate gets shot and the group gets played by Locke. Just didn't buy it. But then, there are a lot of things about this show I'm not buying. It's just kind of gone all Melrose Place for me. If your plan is to take the sub & leave Smokey behind, how exactly are you going to get him off the sub if he's in there taking out the crew? |
| 2010-05-06 9:55 AM in reply to: #2841064 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] scoobysdad - 2010-05-06 9:44 AM OK, enough of the Big Picture. The thing that made no sense to me was how they chose to raid the sub. They had all just watched TSM take out all the baddies at the cages and now the plan was for Sawyer and Co. to go in shooting to take over the sub? Sorry, that made no sense. Why put themselves at risk, and why have Locke/TSM just hang back? If I was Sawyer, when they got to the sub, I would have just said, "OK, Smokey, do your thing." Instead, Kate gets shot and the group gets played by Locke. Just didn't buy it. But then, there are a lot of things about this show I'm not buying. It's just kind of gone all Melrose Place for me. they didnt' see any crew for smoky to take out... |
| 2010-05-06 9:57 AM in reply to: #2837508 |
Master 1517 Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] Just my wild speculation: The Kid is the 'referee' he is the one that told MIB - "you broke the rules". Desmond will be the new 'kid' when he chooses the candidate(s). MIB thinks only Jacob needs to be replaced (only one) so Jack w/b the new Jacob. But what he doesnt know, is he/MIB can be replaced too. In some of the mythologies that have been posted as correlation to Lost, MIB and Jacob are brothers so Clair will be the new MIB and will continue to play the game w/ Jack. |
| 2010-05-06 9:59 AM in reply to: #2841101 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] Gaarryy - 2010-05-06 9:55 AM scoobysdad - 2010-05-06 9:44 AM OK, enough of the Big Picture. The thing that made no sense to me was how they chose to raid the sub. They had all just watched TSM take out all the baddies at the cages and now the plan was for Sawyer and Co. to go in shooting to take over the sub? Sorry, that made no sense. Why put themselves at risk, and why have Locke/TSM just hang back? If I was Sawyer, when they got to the sub, I would have just said, "OK, Smokey, do your thing." Instead, Kate gets shot and the group gets played by Locke. Just didn't buy it. But then, there are a lot of things about this show I'm not buying. It's just kind of gone all Melrose Place for me. they didnt' see any crew for smoky to take out... What Smokey can't do a little recon? The whole area was surrounded by men with guns even in nearby trees... whenever we've seen Smokey before he's essentially been cruising through every tree in the area. Wouldn't that have been a smarter approach-- to recon the area-- especially if they EXPECTED the sub to be guarded? He still wouldn't have been IN the sub, he would have just been taking care of business outside of it. |
| 2010-05-06 10:35 AM in reply to: #2839119 |
| Extreme Veteran 340 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] JBrashear - 2010-05-05 12:46 PM Technically, TSM isn't inhabiting a dead body, he's taking the form of a dead person.I disagree...TSM needed Locke's body to physically come to the island to inhabit it. That's why the body needed to be on the plane in the casket. Also, remember he did the same thing with Jack's Dad...Again, his corpse was physically present and TSM inhabited it. |
| 2010-05-06 10:38 AM in reply to: #2841229 |
Master 1517 Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] WaitingGuilty - 2010-05-06 11:35 AM JBrashear - 2010-05-05 12:46 PM Technically, TSM isn't inhabiting a dead body, he's taking the form of a dead person.I disagree...TSM needed Locke's body to physically come to the island to inhabit it. That's why the body needed to be on the plane in the casket. Also, remember he did the same thing with Jack's Dad...Again, his corpse was physically present and TSM inhabited it. But Lockes body was in the coffin - thats what they were carrying around to prove that Locke was Fake Locke - so MIB doesnt inhabit the corpse, just takes their form. Edited by ratherbesnowboarding 2010-05-06 10:39 AM |
| 2010-05-06 10:44 AM in reply to: #2841249 |
| Extreme Veteran 340 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] ratherbesnowboarding - 2010-05-06 9:38 AM WaitingGuilty - 2010-05-06 11:35 AM JBrashear - 2010-05-05 12:46 PM Technically, TSM isn't inhabiting a dead body, he's taking the form of a dead person.I disagree...TSM needed Locke's body to physically come to the island to inhabit it. That's why the body needed to be on the plane in the casket. Also, remember he did the same thing with Jack's Dad...Again, his corpse was physically present and TSM inhabited it. But Lockes body was in the coffin - thats what they were carrying around to prove that Locke was Fake Locke - so MIB doesnt inhabit the corpse, just takes their form. Was he shown in the casket WHILE TSM was parading around as Locke? I don't remember, but there is some reason that TSM needs dead bodies present to inhabit/take their form or else he could just take the form of anyone he wanted right? Hell, I don't know....I've seen every episode and can't remember half of them. Anyway, as great as Lost is, I admit that I am somewhat happy that next year I will only be watching 1 hour of network shows every week: 30 Rock and The Office. With Jack Bauer AND Lost going away, I will have much more time to read the growing list of books that I have neglected. |
| 2010-05-06 10:47 AM in reply to: #2841271 |
Extreme Veteran 961 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] WaitingGuilty - 2010-05-06 10:44 AM ratherbesnowboarding - 2010-05-06 9:38 AM WaitingGuilty - 2010-05-06 11:35 AM JBrashear - 2010-05-05 12:46 PM Technically, TSM isn't inhabiting a dead body, he's taking the form of a dead person.I disagree...TSM needed Locke's body to physically come to the island to inhabit it. That's why the body needed to be on the plane in the casket. Also, remember he did the same thing with Jack's Dad...Again, his corpse was physically present and TSM inhabited it. But Lockes body was in the coffin - thats what they were carrying around to prove that Locke was Fake Locke - so MIB doesnt inhabit the corpse, just takes their form. Was he shown in the casket WHILE TSM was parading around as Locke? I don't remember, but there is some reason that TSM needs dead bodies present to inhabit/take their form or else he could just take the form of anyone he wanted right? Hell, I don't know....I've seen every episode and can't remember half of them. Anyway, as great as Lost is, I admit that I am somewhat happy that next year I will only be watching 1 hour of network shows every week: 30 Rock and The Office. With Jack Bauer AND Lost going away, I will have much more time to read the growing list of books that I have neglected. Yes, there was a seen where Flocke was walking past the coffin on the beach and they panned to show Locke's corpse. |
| 2010-05-06 11:15 AM in reply to: #2838335 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] I don't think the polar bear or Ecko threads were 'lost' so much as 'finished'. They explained the polar bear & Ecko was killed by TSM, so I'd consider those both concluded. Of course, I'm going from memory here, so I could be remembering wrong. How were the polar bear and Ecko threads finished again? I don't remember that being explained ... but then again there are so many details within the story line that it is hard to keep up! |
| 2010-05-06 11:17 AM in reply to: #2841271 |
Pro 4311 Texas | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] WaitingGuilty - 2010-05-06 10:44 AM ratherbesnowboarding - 2010-05-06 9:38 AM WaitingGuilty - 2010-05-06 11:35 AM JBrashear - 2010-05-05 12:46 PM Technically, TSM isn't inhabiting a dead body, he's taking the form of a dead person.I disagree...TSM needed Locke's body to physically come to the island to inhabit it. That's why the body needed to be on the plane in the casket. Also, remember he did the same thing with Jack's Dad...Again, his corpse was physically present and TSM inhabited it. But Lockes body was in the coffin - thats what they were carrying around to prove that Locke was Fake Locke - so MIB doesnt inhabit the corpse, just takes their form. Was he shown in the casket WHILE TSM was parading around as Locke? Yes. Remember that they buried Locke & Smokey's still rolling around in FLocke's form. Edited by JBrashear 2010-05-06 11:18 AM |
| 2010-05-06 11:20 AM in reply to: #2841381 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] brian - 2010-05-06 10:15 AM I don't think the polar bear or Ecko threads were 'lost' so much as 'finished'. They explained the polar bear & Ecko was killed by TSM, so I'd consider those both concluded. Of course, I'm going from memory here, so I could be remembering wrong. How were the polar bear and Ecko threads finished again? I don't remember that being explained ... but then again there are so many details within the story line that it is hard to keep up! Mr Eko got thumped by the smoke monster after it took the form of his dead brother and the polar bear was an escapee from the Dharma compound (they were kept in the same cages that the Losties got locked in on tuesday night). |
 2010-05-06 12:35 PM in reply to: #2839225 |
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| 2010-05-06 1:57 PM in reply to: #2841107 |
| Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] ratherbesnowboarding - 2010-05-06 10:57 AM Just my wild speculation: The Kid is the 'referee' he is the one that told MIB - "you broke the rules". Desmond will be the new 'kid' when he chooses the candidate(s). I like that theory... |
| 2010-05-06 2:09 PM in reply to: #2839178 |
| Extreme Veteran 442 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] morey1 - 2010-05-05 12:58 PM I don't get the presence or motives of widmore, or the presence of Desmond, so given that, here's where I'm at... Somehow, the "sideways" world becomes the future moving forward. After all, unless I'm mistaken, everyone is somehow "better off" in the sideways world than they were otherwise, right? Jack has solid relationship with son and is a well-adjusted MD. Sawyer = Cop. Kate = somehow not a killer. Jin/Sun = freeing themselves from clutches of her father. Locke = great and respected teacher and has a relationship with his father. Hurley = not plagued by bad luck and pursuing Libby. Claire = inheriting and hopefully keeping Aaron. So, it ends ultimately with a scene with unLocke and either Jack or Desmond (not sure on the part of "Jacob") sitting beneath the statue, aware that there was a sideways world that now "is". Jacob cooks a fish and unLocke walks up and tells him how much he hates him. A scene mirroring the past introduction of Jacob and Man in black. Jack or desmond participates in the sideways world and the island world similar to Jacobs actions with the Oceanic 6. Holes...in sideways world island is underwater. What is widmore's part in all of this? I'm sure I'm missing other details? I was thinking of something similar - but it's Jack and Sawyer (James) who are left on the beach... Can hardly wait to find out! |
| 2010-05-06 7:03 PM in reply to: #2837508 |
| Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] What was the deal about Whidmore putting them in the cages? Was he there when TSM came by and attacked? (Can't remember because I was having a flashforwardbackwardsideway nosebleed) |
| 2010-05-06 7:05 PM in reply to: #2842497 |
| Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] BellinghamSpence - 2010-05-06 5:03 PM What was the deal about Whidmore putting them in the cages? Was he there when TSM came by and attacked? (Can't remember because I was having a flashforwardbackwardsideway nosebleed) He said it was for their own good, like he was protecting them. Altho a cage ain't stopping smokey. He had left, but his chubby henchman was there and got himself kilt |
| 2010-05-06 7:31 PM in reply to: #2842498 |
| Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] I'm thinking that Whidmore is in cahoots with Smokey. Ben was Jacobs boy. Ben and Widmore are enemies. Flocke had the whole scenario designed to get the candidates to kill each other. Widmore wasn't able to return to the island for decades but suddenly did once Jacob was dead. Flocke was shown to be lying about having the candidates best interests in mind. Widmore has been spewing the same line. Ben/Richard/Miles still have some part to play. Will Ben sacrifice himself against Widmore as a means of seeking redemption? Will Richard realign himself with Jacob, or whatever Jacob represents? WTF is up with Miles' ability to "read" corpses for their last few minutes alive? Does that figure in the endgame? Will we ever find out why he can do that? It's pretty left-field to go unexplained, even for this story. I read that a couple of huge sets were built for the finale. That most likely means that a lot of it happens in heretofore unseen locations. Very intriguing. The place/time where Jacob and Smokey are from? Heaven? Hell? Alpha Centauri? I'm also dying to find out who Adam and Eve are and how their bodies being in the cave are significant. I keep thinking of Hurley saying "Dude, what if they're US?" |
| 2010-05-06 8:06 PM in reply to: #2842498 |
| Extreme Veteran 961 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] ChrisM - 2010-05-06 7:05 PM BellinghamSpence - 2010-05-06 5:03 PM What was the deal about Whidmore putting them in the cages? Was he there when TSM came by and attacked? (Can't remember because I was having a flashforwardbackwardsideway nosebleed) He said it was for their own good, like he was protecting them. Altho a cage ain't stopping smokey. He had left, but his chubby henchman was there and got himself kiltWhidmore may have trying to keep them from say.....getting onto a submarine with a bomb |
| 2010-05-08 4:59 AM in reply to: #2837508 |
| Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] Just a random thought.... Doesn't Hurley still have that bag of ash, or whatever it is, that keeps Smokey away? I wonder if that will come into play somewhere..... |
| 2010-05-08 10:48 AM in reply to: #2842539 |
| Master 1821 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] marmadaddy - 2010-05-06 8:31 PM I'm thinking that Whidmore is in cahoots with Smokey. Ben was Jacobs boy. Ben and Widmore are enemies. Flocke had the whole scenario designed to get the candidates to kill each other. Widmore wasn't able to return to the island for decades but suddenly did once Jacob was dead. Flocke was shown to be lying about having the candidates best interests in mind. Widmore has been spewing the same line. also, when miles was being recruited to be part of widmore's freighter team, he was picked up in a van by bram (member of ilana's team), and bram said miles was choosing the wrong side. bram, of course, was pwned by smokey. also possible that widmore isn't on either jacob/MIB's team but is rather playing for himself. |
| 2010-05-08 2:50 PM in reply to: #2845571 |
| Pro 4311 Texas | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] jsnowash - 2010-05-08 4:59 AM Just a random thought.... Doesn't Hurley still have that bag of ash, or whatever it is, that keeps Smokey away? I wonder if that will come into play somewhere..... I hope that bag is waterproof, or he's got a bag of mud now. |
| 2010-05-08 3:27 PM in reply to: #2837508 |
| Master 1391 | Subject: RE: Lost, 05/04 (Spoilers!) [Seriously do not read until you've watched.] I literally just got done watching the past two episodes a few hours ago since I was on vacation. Wow. Did not expect Sun and Jin at all. Could have seen Sayid and Lapides, but Sun and Jin just shocked me. I would have expected Sun to have said, please go, our daughter needs you or something along those lines. I think with Kate not getting killed, she has something big coming up. It seems that most of the favorites have a good storyline that ties them up (Sun and Jin being killed off, Hurley reunited with Libby...etc). Kate's storyline I'm sure will be big. It's such a shame her storylines the past few years have been just 'meh.' Only a few hours left of the show, I guess we can expect to see Ana Lucia, Shannon, Eko, and Juliet come up since they shot their scenes. BTW...not really or maybe Lost related...but if anyone watches Modern Family, the wife on the show Julie Bowen played Jack's wife on Lost. In the recent episode of Modern Family, they are all at the airport, and Julie Bowen's son Luke goes "Mom, wouldn't it be cool if our plane was caught in a storm and crash landed on an island like Lost." It was kind of a nice nod to the show that she was just on. |
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