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 2016-01-11 5:06 PM in reply to: #5157817 |
Expert  1360   |  Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - ClosedFirst off with Ironman racing I always had a coach and he would Taylor my schedule when I had to miss workouts for work stuff. He also prioritized workouts so I knew which ones I could miss if things at work were crazy. I specifically hired a coach for this purpose as my job can be very unpredictable at times. Lisa welcome back to run in. Read about your imlou experience. I have a friend that made a similar exit from IMC 4 years ago (broke his hip when someone tried to pass on the inside at an aI'd station). Maria-beautiful run. Steve-good luck with your decision. Does anyone here have a cut off temperature when they bring workouts indoors? I generally hit the treadmill at -20 c with the wind (maybe earlier for long runs). For logistical reasons I do more runs on the treadmill ow than I would like. For some crazy reason you aren't allowed to leave a sleeping toddler at home on their own  |
| 2016-01-11 5:41 PM in reply to: lisac957 |
310 Raleigh, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 Just wanted to say thanks to Jim, Ben, Sean, and Lisa for the advice on flexibility in training schedule. Apologies to others I may have missed... we need our own sub-forum to keep the different topics straight! |
| 2016-01-11 5:52 PM in reply to: Daffodil |
Master 8250  Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Agreed-- -20C is about my limit. I did once run in Harbin when it was -25. I didn't know that at the time, but commented to my roommate that it was odd, but I just never did get warm that morning. We later discovered it was -25. I was also out walking around in -28 (also in Harbin, at the ice festival) and had the same experience. Nothing I did was warming me up anymore. It was basically the only time when despite wearing a ridiculous amount of clothes, I simply could not generate enough heat to stay warm. With all those clothes on, and snow on the ground, it's hard to run at a very high intensity, so that limits how hot you get. I'm also pretty skinny. Might be different for a bigger or better insulated person--I don't know. Below that I would also be worried that even the two layers of gloves, thick socks, Vaseline, etc. might not be enough to prevent frostbite. |
| 2016-01-11 7:19 PM in reply to: CRFTX2001 |
Member 285 Cypress, Texas | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 Originally posted by CRFTX2001 No fair! You guys get to post at work but I can't at school.  This thread moves way too fast during weekdays and slower when I have time to post on the weekends. Anyway... Lisa- That's awesome! I wish you the best in getting back into the swing of things. Mary- Not 13 degrees Celsius, right? I've yet to experience below 40 here in Texas this year, but I've run in subzero temperatures in New York. I hated the feeling of ( or not feeling of) my hands and feet going completely numb. Where in Texas are you again? We had 29 in North West Houston this morning. |
| 2016-01-11 7:36 PM in reply to: Superfunkyfresh |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Superfunkyfresh I can't keep up.. This thread moves on so quickly.. Who's been out today for a blast? I've managed to get a Tri coach and hes given me a programme so today was an 'easy 35 min run' tomorrow will be Sufferfest with a run after it, Wed is a rest day, Thurs is a 10km x-country race and then we are moving into the weekend Happy Monday people. Inside again. About 15 & snowing late in the day, was -3 this morning. On the Elliptical, Sufferfest: Nine Hammers. |
| 2016-01-11 9:05 PM in reply to: Jet Black |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 Originally posted by Jet Black Originally posted by brigby1Mostly looking at how others viewed or identified their longer/harder workouts. Trying to help with prioritizing things, which ones to keep spread out more. Then the rest is more like you said, not a big deal. I've seen where coaches may have like 3 levels of workouts to prioritize. No schedule, just get them in, but had some things to work with. The red (or highest) would be the ones to spread out as best they can. These would be the long workouts or high intensity ones. Then some yellow or moderate ones, then some green. Figure out which ones are red and the rest doesn't matter so much. If there are fewer red type workouts, then the schedule as a whole may be more flexible. I can't handle too many quote loops lol. I generally schedule my weeks around my availability and the spreading out of the hard workouts, if I can. If for whatever reason I cannot spread out the hard workouts that week, then they may just not be as hard. I'd rather get the volume in at lower intensity than not at all. To be honest I'm not far enough down the pointy end to where it matters. The frequency of such workouts can vary some too. When training more, I'll have several time trial intensity level workouts a week. so I'm always watching out for these. Others may not have so much and then have more flexibility with them. Well not with that attitude. With some of the hard things, that can work ok. It's hard to get hurt on the bike. Swimming is kind of supposed to be pretty fast much of the time anyway. Be careful on the run. That one it's probably better to skip it if it's two runs in a row. More fun to figure out when it's mixed sports though it can work. Since you and a few others may be pushing enough to be interested, then with the intensity, it might not be all that different depending on just how hard. Sweet Spot efforts work the same things as threshold does. Just maybe not quite as much gains from the same time put in. Threshold is the upper part of sweet spot. Where it gets more interesting is with VO2max or some still insist on calling only these intervals. Efforts with a little gap above FTP or like 5k pace (such as track workouts). Everybody misses every once in awhile, but if these are missed (or done at lower effort) then the advancement can show up even though one could still be advancing. Working up here stresses VO2max more than threshold. You're working up here because you're trying to bump that part up more so as it may not develop as fast as threshold power, kind of flattening out your power curve, stunting things a little if if becomes a limitation. Threshold is more with metabolic fitness, the muscles turning the fuel into energy. VO2max is the upper limit of oxygen absorption, with oxygen being one of the things being metabolized. |
| 2016-01-11 9:09 PM in reply to: Hot Runner |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Hot Runner Agreed-- -20C is about my limit. I did once run in Harbin when it was -25. I didn't know that at the time, but commented to my roommate that it was odd, but I just never did get warm that morning. We later discovered it was -25. I was also out walking around in -28 (also in Harbin, at the ice festival) and had the same experience. Nothing I did was warming me up anymore. It was basically the only time when despite wearing a ridiculous amount of clothes, I simply could not generate enough heat to stay warm. With all those clothes on, and snow on the ground, it's hard to run at a very high intensity, so that limits how hot you get. I'm also pretty skinny. Might be different for a bigger or better insulated person--I don't know. Below that I would also be worried that even the two layers of gloves, thick socks, Vaseline, etc. might not be enough to prevent frostbite. I typically don't do hard running in below freezing temps, even if the footing is good. It's with frostbite and hypothermia concerns. While it does produce more heat this will also produce more sweat. Considerably more and could soak through things. Might still be ok while running hard, but might not. Definitely going to get cold when I slow down. Extremities might have problems even without slowing down. |
| 2016-01-11 10:19 PM in reply to: Daffodil |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Daffodil Does anyone here have a cut off temperature when they bring workouts indoors? I generally hit the treadmill at -20 c with the wind (maybe earlier for long runs). For logistical reasons I do more runs on the treadmill ow than I would like. For some crazy reason you aren't allowed to leave a sleeping toddler at home on their own Single digits Fahrenheit. That's when I can't heat the air I breath in so it does not hurt my lungs. My bigger issue is ice. Even with Yaks Trax ice make me nervous. Right now we had a decent sized snow storm Saturday/Sunday, but it rained first. So the first and last half mile of my normal run is all ice, before I reach black top. I do have to join the I enjoy winter running crowd. It is very refreshing and I ate heat. |
| 2016-01-11 10:19 PM in reply to: 0 |
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| 2016-01-12 3:22 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 8250 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed My usual approach was either short loops so I could easily stop when I got cold (actually, I rarely did get cold while moving) or run in one direction along a bus route. Then ride the bus back. You're not going to freeze to death on an urban Chinese bus at rush hour! Very toasty. The mini-forests were both accessed by bus. Similar to running loops of a park. Granted--I was 20 then and totally nuts. Not so sure I would do that now. (Anyhow, living in Vietnam, I don't need to.) Coldest I have run in in recent years was Christmas day (about 20 degrees, did a 90-minute jaunt with some fartlek). I grew up in the Midwest so I'm pretty stoic about all kinds of nasty weather. |
| 2016-01-12 4:30 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by jmkizer WOOHOO WIENERLISA!!! It's been a long trip. Originally posted by lisac957 GUYS I WAS CLEARED TO RUN THIS MORNING!!! With a few caveats... need to wear an ankle brace, start slow, very low volume, etc. My log today has all the details but I think I'm going to stick with the AMT elliptical until my range of motion returns, etc. etc. etc. - but this is such a huge step in my recovery. HAPPY GIRL I'm so glad that you have improved so much! Woo hoo! |
| 2016-01-12 4:32 AM in reply to: popsracer |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by popsracer Nancypops--I've been praying for you every day for a long time and will do so until further notice! (I don't plan on giving notice and you better not, either). I'll pray specifically for strength and peace with this decision.Originally posted by marysia83 To Steve: I wish you only healthy days and a quick, peaceful recover. I know you are very strong and will manage to be in a great running shape very soon. You have always been so supportive, motivating, and inspiring, especially to beginners. You are such an experienced and knowledgeable triathlete, and you never let beginners to think they are just super silly. You've always had plenty of respect to everyone on this forum, who was lost in training and seeking an advice. I am very thankful to be a part of this forum with you. Get better soon!!! Thank you for your kind words. Interesting turn of events. I got a call last night from my oncologist. As an alternative to surgery there is a new drug approved by the FDA to fight other types of cancer that has been approved for clinical trials for what I have. Problem is that some folks in the trial get a placebo. If it does grow by 20% and you were on a placebo they will then put you on the drug. Another benefit is that it attacks the tumor(s) at a microscopic level so if there is something in there as yet undetected it will work against that too. I can afford to let the thing grow a little bit before surgery is required so I am considering this option though we do not really know how much growth before it starts to interfere with functions. Kind of a crap shoot and not really sure what to do at this point. Also, since I am currently resting up for surgery I am not doing any training. If that surgery is no longer on the immediate horizon I can get off the DL. |
| 2016-01-12 8:53 AM in reply to: IndoIronYanti |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Good day all. I hope all is going well and that the cold hasn't frozen out too much of your plans. Adam - you got some good stuff on the training plan question. I agree with Jim, life happens. A good plan gives you the flexibility to move things about a bit. Also, if you know the purpose of each workout, which are "more important" than others and such, you'll be better able to move them around if needed. Lisa - CONGRATULATIONS!!!! Ann-Marie - I think a conversation with Freeman is in order. Justin - We have a few folks that are coached and one of the standards I've heard is comfort. Make sure if you are paying somone, that you are comfortable with them. Beyond that, I'm useless. All those that are hurting or on the DL, keep your chins up. I've been thinking and praying for y'all. |
| 2016-01-12 9:05 AM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Richardsdrr It's about time we had some good news around here. Glad things are looking up Lisa, and I'm happy your Aunt is no longer critical Laura. Steve, I've never been in a situation like yours, so don't know how I would react, but I'd like to think I'd take a punt at the meds before surgery. There are so many things that could go wrong with surgery. I'm sure you will make the best decision. I've received a free months pass to be used on Trainer Road if anyone wants to give it a shot. Let me know. Received lots of goodies through the post today, January sales shopping. Some nice wet weather gear to get me out on the road again like a Gore Oxygen Jacket, Castelli Gabba top and a few pairs of Sportful No Rain tights among other things. Gotta love shiny stuff We are going to expect some short reviews of these items Oh look! Something shiny! |
| 2016-01-12 9:05 AM in reply to: ceilidh |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by ceilidh Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by marysia83 To Steve: I wish you only healthy days and a quick, peaceful recover. I know you are very strong and will manage to be in a great running shape very soon. You have always been so supportive, motivating, and inspiring, especially to beginners. You are such an experienced and knowledgeable triathlete, and you never let beginners to think they are just super silly. You've always had plenty of respect to everyone on this forum, who was lost in training and seeking an advice. I am very thankful to be a part of this forum with you. Get better soon!!! Thank you for your kind words. Interesting turn of events. I got a call last night from my oncologist. As an alternative to surgery there is a new drug approved by the FDA to fight other types of cancer that has been approved for clinical trials for what I have. Problem is that some folks in the trial get a placebo. If it does grow by 20% and you were on a placebo they will then put you on the drug. Another benefit is that it attacks the tumor(s) at a microscopic level so if there is something in there as yet undetected it will work against that too. I can afford to let the thing grow a little bit before surgery is required so I am considering this option though we do not really know how much growth before it starts to interfere with functions. Kind of a crap shoot and not really sure what to do at this point. Also, since I am currently resting up for surgery I am not doing any training. If that surgery is no longer on the immediate horizon I can get off the DL. Tough decision!!!! I hope which ever you choose works 100% for you. X 100000000000000 |
| 2016-01-12 9:09 AM in reply to: 0 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Superfunkyfresh I can't keep up.. This thread moves on so quickly.. Who's been out today for a blast? I've managed to get a Tri coach and hes given me a programme so today was an 'easy 35 min run' tomorrow will be Sufferfest with a run after it, Wed is a rest day, Thurs is a 10km x-country race and then we are moving into the weekend Happy Monday people. Ouch! Sufferfest brick edited to add emphasis Edited by jmkizer 2016-01-12 9:09 AM |
| 2016-01-12 9:09 AM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 2429 Falls Church, Virginia | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Yanti suggested that I post my recent swim workout for the other Manatees to see. She also mentioned, and I think its a great idea if there's enough interest, about creating a Swim Workouts folder? What do we say? 200 choice warm up 4x50 on :15 descending 300 pull (100 easy/100 medium/100 strong) 3x [200 with :20, 4x50 with :10] 100 cool down Total: 2000 Just keep swimming, just keep swimming |
| 2016-01-12 9:10 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 Originally posted by lisac957 Originally posted by Jet Black Originally posted by awm007 For instance, if I have a bike day scheduled for Wed but it's supposed to be rainy and 35 degrees that day, would you swap that with Tuesday's swim day when it is expected to be sunny and 60 degrees? Or would you slog it out in the bad weather or trainer to stick with the plan? Just curious as to what others do. I don't want to be one of those persons that comment on online cooking recipes where they substitute half the ingredients then complain that the resulting dish doesn't taste good. On the other hand, if I can get outside rather than ride the trainer by switching days, I'd rather do that. Thanks in advance Manatees! I write my own plan so that probably makes me more flexible from the get go, but I wouldn't ever worry about moving stuff around as needed. Definitely swapping days is no big deal. I would try to keep weekly goals/schedules as close to plan as possible, but moving days around within the week isn't a big deal. Totally agree. When I paid big bucks for a personal tri coach, even he said as long as I got in each week's workout within the week, I could re-arrange the workouts and days to my heart's content. With the exception of putting super long stuff back-to-back, or if there was a very specific reason to have workouts in proximity to each other (which was rare). I can move stuff around to some degree but for longer stuff, coach specifically wants long bike on day followed by long run the next. |
| 2016-01-12 9:16 AM in reply to: laffinrock |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 Originally posted by laffinrock Happy Monday! I managed to read through the last couple of pages today, and that was after spending time online doing other stuff. Maybe I'm getting better? Have a bit of a headache, though, so I need to sign off soon. I wanted to check in here with my favorite people before I do. Steve, I know you'll make the choice that's right for you. Sending *lots* of positive thoughts your way. Lisa, YAHOOOOO!!! It's about time!! Have fun and be careful for heaven's sake. While I'm no expert on the subject, I agree with Sean and Lisa about just getting in the workouts for the week however you manage it and trying to avoid doing two hard days in a row. I try not to do back to back days of the same discipline, but that could just be personal preference. Not sure that it really makes that much difference. Mary, I was out there yesterday in very similar conditions. We had a team run and of the 18 people who signed up, only 7 showed. We, the hard core, rocked it while the others stayed home in their cozy beds. Mary and Markus, I'm training for my first HM too. It's in mid-March and runs along the edge of Zion National Park in Utah. I can't believe I'm gonna do this. Back in 2014, one of the Manatees (maybe Ann-Marie??) mentioned wanting to do this race, which made me decide to do it in Spring 2015. I had to roll it over to this year because of injury. This race has become really important to me. Because of my current situation, my training is something that keeps me focused on goals and gets me out of the house and away from the self-pity that sometimes sets in. I've been hurting lately but can control the pain with massage and using my foam roller. I'm sick and tired of injuries keeping me from doing what I want to do so I've decided that I'm not going to let it stop me from doing this race!! I'm sorry I can't keep up with all the topics and that I have to keep posting these novels. Doing my best to stay connected though. You folks are a wonderful touchstone for me and are always in my thoughts even when I can't be here participating!! Enjoy your day, even if it is Monday. For that matter, it's after noon on Monday--even better. Darren, I know that means it's your Wednesday so happy more-than-half-over-week to you. See ya later. m Your run group sounds great! Photos next time, m'kay? Thanks for checking in! |
| 2016-01-12 9:21 AM in reply to: Daffodil |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Daffodil Does anyone here have a cut off temperature when they bring workouts indoors? I generally hit the treadmill at -20 c with the wind (maybe earlier for long runs). For logistical reasons I do more runs on the treadmill ow than I would like. For some crazy reason you aren't allowed to leave a sleeping toddler at home on their own If it is cold and wet, I bring it inside or if I need to do the run in the morning and it's icy. I only have gear to get me to about 20F (-4C) but it's rare that I would need anything heavier. For me it's more about not going out in freezing rain. For the bike, I bring it inside at about freezing unless the trainer is making me want to stab my eyes out. For the past several years, I've been on run focus for the winter so that has not been an issue. |
| 2016-01-12 9:25 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 [ Mary and Markus, I'm training for my first HM too. It's in mid-March and runs along the edge of Zion National Park in Utah. I can't believe I'm gonna do this. Back in 2014, one of the Manatees (maybe Ann-Marie??) mentioned wanting to do this race, which made me decide to do it in Spring 2015. I had to roll it over to this year because of injury. This race has become really important to me. Because of my current situation, my training is something that keeps me focused on goals and gets me out of the house and away from the self-pity that sometimes sets in. I've been hurting lately but can control the pain with massage and using my foam roller. I'm sick and tired of injuries keeping me from doing what I want to do so I've decided that I'm not going to let it stop me from doing this race!! I m Your run group sounds great! Photos next time, m'kay? Thanks for checking in! Yep, it's was I! And now you will do it well before I get there!! |
| 2016-01-12 9:26 AM in reply to: Atlantia |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed Originally posted by Atlantia Yanti suggested that I post my recent swim workout for the other Manatees to see. She also mentioned, and I think its a great idea if there's enough interest, about creating a Swim Workouts folder? What do we say? 200 choice warm up 4x50 on :15 descending 300 pull (100 easy/100 medium/100 strong) 3x [200 with :20, 4x50 with :10] 100 cool down Total: 2000 Just keep swimming, just keep swimming Thanks! |
| 2016-01-12 11:28 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed There is so much to read I could be working on the doctorate of manatees... Lisa and Mary - I am so happy you gals are back to running. Steve - I also feel you will make the right choice! Karen - how much I enjoy reading your stories Laura - I am glad your aunt is feeling better. Kudos for your awesome swim workouts! To the rest of the group - I will just keep reading and replying as much as I can... As for the coldest temperature, somebody mentioned ice and I think this is one of the factors when making the decision about running. I think as long as it's sunny and beautiful outside, it's worth trying. When it's gloomy, cloudy, rainy - even in higher temperature the run is just ugh... Although, I like running when it rains. It motivates me somehow |
| 2016-01-12 11:34 AM in reply to: marysia83 |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed I love how sports and training make us experts in different areas, for example biology/anatomy... I have some minor pain in the upper leg and based my comparing the pics to the "geography" of my leg it looks like it's biceps femoris. I will see how it goes in the next few days, but if the pain (even mild) continues, I think I will not do my first HM in two weeks. Which kind of sucks, but at the same time - injury is the last thing I want to have on my plate. I'd rather take it easy and get ready for the April race, and be in a great shape, than suffer now and take the risk, and end up without running for weeks. This Sunday was supposed to be my long run of 10 miles. I did 8 miles last Sunday. I worry it would be too big of a jump if my muscles got too much of a kick. But it could also be just overtraining, right? I shall see in the next couple of days. Gosh, and I have just started to really enjoy running.... |
| 2016-01-12 12:35 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
| 93 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Closed I love reading through all of the posts to see how everyone is doing!!! I am slowly starting my training while still struggling with some back issues. I am doing way more maintenance than training. Just a reminder to make sure you stretch, strengthen hips, and foam roll if you need to do those things. It may seem like a waste of time, but if it keeps you training then it is better than taking time off. |
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