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2015-02-12 12:38 PM
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I had a really interesting observation last night. 

Our workout was 6 x 1200 at a little slower than 5K pace last night with 2' rest in between.

6 x 1200 is a workout most of us balk at (actually, it's usually 5 x 1200) because it takes such great pacing and endurance to execute well. 

BUT last week we had done 2 x 1500 at 3K pace, which is much faster than our coach ever allows us/prescribes (for any sustained amount of time anyway.

Interestingly though, I think that workout provided such a great psychological stimulus that a 1200 which is shorter and ran at a slower pace seemed really doable. I just had to not think about the fact there were 6 of them. 

I'm sure there was some physiological adaptations made last week but I really felt the gains were psychological. I don't think I have given enough credit to just how important that part is in racing and training. 

I couldn't agree more with this.  It's always difficult mentally (for me at least) to put myself into a pain area, but doing something that really really hurts, makes the workouts that only really hurt not seem too bad at all.

I'm reading this book right now, Surviving the Extremes: What Happens to the Body and Mind at the Limits of Human Endurance. It's written by a doctor who, as the title suggest, writes about the things that happen to the human body in extreme environmental conditions in the jungle, ocean desert, underwater, high altitude, and outer space. 

I'm only on the jungle portion but it's amazing how he often credits psychological, or "placebo" effects for  some of the barriers people are able to hurdle in order to survive. 



2015-02-12 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I had a really interesting observation last night. 

Our workout was 6 x 1200 at a little slower than 5K pace last night with 2' rest in between.

6 x 1200 is a workout most of us balk at (actually, it's usually 5 x 1200) because it takes such great pacing and endurance to execute well. 

BUT last week we had done 2 x 1500 at 3K pace, which is much faster than our coach ever allows us/prescribes (for any sustained amount of time anyway.

Interestingly though, I think that workout provided such a great psychological stimulus that a 1200 which is shorter and ran at a slower pace seemed really doable. I just had to not think about the fact there were 6 of them. 

I'm sure there was some physiological adaptations made last week but I really felt the gains were psychological. I don't think I have given enough credit to just how important that part is in racing and training. 

I couldn't agree more with this.  It's always difficult mentally (for me at least) to put myself into a pain area, but doing something that really really hurts, makes the workouts that only really hurt not seem too bad at all.

I couldn't agree more!  I've had intervals (on the bike) that seemed impossible and when I was able to make them, it made me realize that intervals that previously seemed very difficult were actually quite manageable. 

Honestly, my current (low) FTP number probably has more to do with me not being mentally ready/able to hit the big numbers yet.  In comparing previous best 5'/20' tests with this week's tests, I see that my max HR was 8 bpm less on each test!  My legs felt like they were going to explode, but they probably weren't....heh.

2015-02-12 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisM16 mile run with 1750' of climbing. Mary training back on track
Nice Chris! Good to hear that you are back. That type of climbing will be good for Alcatraz as well.

seriously Chris - now THAT is a comeback! How is it holding up today?

 

Quads had some DOMS, as if I'd run a race, through Tuesday, but resolved yesterday.  

But I find the fatigue more of an issue.  As my runs get over 2:30, i find that Monday is OK but it hits me pretty good Tuesday.  I had to move Tuesday's run to Wed for scheduling, and also had a trainer ride later that day (threshold) that I pulled the plug after 15 minutes as it was clear I wouldn't have it.  First time I think I've voluntarily abandoned a workout after I started, and honestly feel OK about it  



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2015-02-12 4:47 PM
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Rusty, just so I'm visualizing it properly, is this what you look like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-IVhJLD0sQ

 

I had more windmilling in mind.

Ha-Ha - yes you are right Ben: WAY more windmilling. She has NOTHING on me! Now that I think of it, I am probably not very fast on the descents, I just make everyone think I am a lunatic and they get out of the way....

2015-02-12 4:56 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisM16 mile run with 1750' of climbing. Mary training back on track
Nice Chris! Good to hear that you are back. That type of climbing will be good for Alcatraz as well.

seriously Chris - now THAT is a comeback! How is it holding up today?

 

Quads had some DOMS, as if I'd run a race, through Tuesday, but resolved yesterday.  

But I find the fatigue more of an issue.  As my runs get over 2:30, i find that Monday is OK but it hits me pretty good Tuesday.  I had to move Tuesday's run to Wed for scheduling, and also had a trainer ride later that day (threshold) that I pulled the plug after 15 minutes as it was clear I wouldn't have it.  First time I think I've voluntarily abandoned a workout after I started, and honestly feel OK about it  

Glad to hear you made it through without exacerbating the injury Sounds like you were smart in pulling the plug on the threshold work too. That is the kind of stuff that is not worth doing if you can't do it right.

I just got back from the doc as my calf has gone beyond just the soreness from racing, and this close to race season I didn't want to ignore it and do something stupid. Seems I tweaked my left Soleus, deep under my interior Gastrocnemius. Went through a round of ART that just about left me in tears, but hopefully should be good to go in a few days. It is bugging me though as it manifests itself as tightness in my achilles, and as I was out of the game for over 12 months with achilles issues a few years ago I am especially sensitive to when they are acting up.

2015-02-12 4:57 PM
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2015-02-12 5:01 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I had a really interesting observation last night. 

Our workout was 6 x 1200 at a little slower than 5K pace last night with 2' rest in between.

6 x 1200 is a workout most of us balk at (actually, it's usually 5 x 1200) because it takes such great pacing and endurance to execute well. 

BUT last week we had done 2 x 1500 at 3K pace, which is much faster than our coach ever allows us/prescribes (for any sustained amount of time anyway.

Interestingly though, I think that workout provided such a great psychological stimulus that a 1200 which is shorter and ran at a slower pace seemed really doable. I just had to not think about the fact there were 6 of them. 

I'm sure there was some physiological adaptations made last week but I really felt the gains were psychological. I don't think I have given enough credit to just how important that part is in racing and training. 

100% agree. I feel that way about track work in general: I know the physiological gains made there are important, but the psychological gains come race day are HUGE.

2015-02-12 6:06 PM
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The coach I worked with for Olympic Trials (long, long ago) was an ex-Marine and really into the mental toughness side of things. Two workouts I still remember, 25 years later, are a ten-mile tempo run at marathon pace the day after a 20-miler, and 10 X 400m hard after (as in immediately after, announced right after we finished) a 20-mile run. We got to take the next day off, but still......Ouch! I was ribbed for months by the other runners (mainly elites) for bursting into tears when he announced the 10 X 400m, and we would always imitate his response, "C'mon Karen, at least you don't got no VC shooting' at you!" To this day, I think it's the only meltdown I've ever had in a workout. (I took pride in my stoicism as an age-group swimmer and runner, and took everything any coach dished out without complaint.) Actually the idea of those workouts was (well, a bit) worse than the actual execution.

We did learn how to finish a marathon running hard despite feeling like impending death, which I guess was the point. And every time thing get bad in a race, the VC comment comes into my head.....special irony now that I live here and the "VC" are probably the nice old geezers on bikes who cheer on my morning runs.

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Karen - that is just awesome front-to-back, but especially the ironic part, which is hard to miss.

For me personally the best, best, best mental training is the progression run. I loath them when I see them appear on my workout schedule, and I dread their coming days ahead of time. A 10k progression goes something like warm up well, then: 2k at base pace, 2k at endurance, 3k at steady state, 2k at tempo, and 1k all-out. for me the mental part is that when doing intervals we are so programmed to get a recovery when the interval is done, but with a progression you actually and immediately have to go harder at the end of each interval, well, it certainly leaves you ready for race day.

 

2015-02-13 8:14 AM
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But I might be doing some legit testing soon - I just got this in the mail today:

BSX Insight




That is an interesting device.

When do you do the first test ? Bike or Run ?

I am curious what their test protocol is. If it is what I think it is, I am curious on how it will compare to other forms of testing.


REALLY!! LOL I thought it was a joke.... really I thought that was photo shop prank Rusty was pulling.....Lol!

2015-02-13 8:41 AM
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Okay, so I finally buckled down and did some bike testing this week -- 5' test on Tuesday and 20' test this morning.  The results were not pretty, but hopefully with some structured bike training, I can get back to where I was last year.




Good work Nicole. Really testing is not that bad.

Maybe its me or just my opinion, but I think using any training perimeter requires constant testing to be accurate and effective. To further explain my thoughts. The body response to the stimulus we provided in training. Yes, among a few other things like recovery. If the parameters are off then we will train in incorrect zones. Maybe this relates more to optimum performance, but I think not. Another consideration is also that even tests from one day to another day could be off. This is considering we are only human and have bad days. Hence its a cycle in repeat. I say test and test often. I have no recomendations of often.




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Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by TankBoy
But I might be doing some legit testing soon - I just got this in the mail today:

BSX Insight




That is an interesting device.

When do you do the first test ? Bike or Run ?

I am curious what their test protocol is. If it is what I think it is, I am curious on how it will compare to other forms of testing.


REALLY!! LOL I thought it was a joke.... really I thought that was photo shop prank Rusty was pulling.....Lol!




it's very real.

as a matter of fact it's one of the first in many devices we will see. Not just for lactate testing. Simplistically, this technology sends a beam under your skin to see what is going on. There was great hope that the Apple iWatch would have it. Not for lactate testing but for example glucose testing for diabetics. It is really interesting technology. One guy has developed a glucose meter. This would be revolutionary for diabetics.

That being said, how they have implemented it for lactate testing....not sure.

But to the other point you made, this testing is way easier than the 5'/20' therefore people will use it more regularly.
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I had a really interesting observation last night. 

Our workout was 6 x 1200 at a little slower than 5K pace last night with 2' rest in between.

6 x 1200 is a workout most of us balk at (actually, it's usually 5 x 1200) because it takes such great pacing and endurance to execute well. 

BUT last week we had done 2 x 1500 at 3K pace, which is much faster than our coach ever allows us/prescribes (for any sustained amount of time anyway.

Interestingly though, I think that workout provided such a great psychological stimulus that a 1200 which is shorter and ran at a slower pace seemed really doable. I just had to not think about the fact there were 6 of them. 

I'm sure there was some physiological adaptations made last week but I really felt the gains were psychological. I don't think I have given enough credit to just how important that part is in racing and training. 

I couldn't agree more with this.  It's always difficult mentally (for me at least) to put myself into a pain area, but doing something that really really hurts, makes the workouts that only really hurt not seem too bad at all.

I'm reading this book right now, Surviving the Extremes: What Happens to the Body and Mind at the Limits of Human Endurance. It's written by a doctor who, as the title suggest, writes about the things that happen to the human body in extreme environmental conditions in the jungle, ocean desert, underwater, high altitude, and outer space. 

I'm only on the jungle portion but it's amazing how he often credits psychological, or "placebo" effects for  some of the barriers people are able to hurdle in order to survive. 

They should pay you commission - just picked up that book on Amazon.

It's pretty amazing what a little mental breakthrough can do - like completing a non-stop 2.4 mile swim - while there may not be much physical breakthrough, the mental aspect can be HUGE.

2015-02-13 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by TankBoy But I might be doing some legit testing soon - I just got this in the mail today:

BSX Insight

That is an interesting device. When do you do the first test ? Bike or Run ? I am curious what their test protocol is. If it is what I think it is, I am curious on how it will compare to other forms of testing.
REALLY!! LOL I thought it was a joke.... really I thought that was photo shop prank Rusty was pulling.....Lol!
it's very real. as a matter of fact it's one of the first in many devices we will see. Not just for lactate testing. Simplistically, this technology sends a beam under your skin to see what is going on. There was great hope that the Apple iWatch would have it. Not for lactate testing but for example glucose testing for diabetics. It is really interesting technology. One guy has developed a glucose meter. This would be revolutionary for diabetics. That being said, how they have implemented it for lactate testing....not sure. But to the other point you made, this testing is way easier than the 5'/20' therefore people will use it more regularly.

Gotta take it easy on may calf until probably next week, but hopefully I will be able to give it a whirl then.

I funded it early via kickstarter (I am a bit of a Kickstarter junkie) so I got it on the cheap. So if it doesn't work I am not out too much. I also got in early on the Mio Link wrist strap, which uses similar tech to capture and transmit heart rate via both Ant+ and Bluetooth. While it is a great idea that would let you ditch the chest strap, the Link doesn't work so well for me. I either have to wear it uncomfortably high on my arm or uncomfortably tight on my wrist, otherwise it suffers from light leaks. I can wrap it up or wear it under arm warmers and it works great, but that kind of defeats the purpose. The BSX Insight device slips inside a custom calf sleeve, so that is how they have evidently worked out the light leak problem. 

2015-02-13 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by GoFaster

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I had a really interesting observation last night. 

Our workout was 6 x 1200 at a little slower than 5K pace last night with 2' rest in between.

6 x 1200 is a workout most of us balk at (actually, it's usually 5 x 1200) because it takes such great pacing and endurance to execute well. 

BUT last week we had done 2 x 1500 at 3K pace, which is much faster than our coach ever allows us/prescribes (for any sustained amount of time anyway.

Interestingly though, I think that workout provided such a great psychological stimulus that a 1200 which is shorter and ran at a slower pace seemed really doable. I just had to not think about the fact there were 6 of them. 

I'm sure there was some physiological adaptations made last week but I really felt the gains were psychological. I don't think I have given enough credit to just how important that part is in racing and training. 

I couldn't agree more with this.  It's always difficult mentally (for me at least) to put myself into a pain area, but doing something that really really hurts, makes the workouts that only really hurt not seem too bad at all.

I'm reading this book right now, Surviving the Extremes: What Happens to the Body and Mind at the Limits of Human Endurance. It's written by a doctor who, as the title suggest, writes about the things that happen to the human body in extreme environmental conditions in the jungle, ocean desert, underwater, high altitude, and outer space. 

I'm only on the jungle portion but it's amazing how he often credits psychological, or "placebo" effects for  some of the barriers people are able to hurdle in order to survive. 

They should pay you commission - just picked up that book on Amazon.

It's pretty amazing what a little mental breakthrough can do - like completing a non-stop 2.4 mile swim - while there may not be much physical breakthrough, the mental aspect can be HUGE.

It's SO good. Let me know what you think.

I hope I wasn't misleading as it's not really about running, biking or swimming. But it's such a great read. And of course, the concepts are universal. 

2015-02-13 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by ratherbeswimming

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by GoFaster

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I had a really interesting observation last night. 

Our workout was 6 x 1200 at a little slower than 5K pace last night with 2' rest in between.

6 x 1200 is a workout most of us balk at (actually, it's usually 5 x 1200) because it takes such great pacing and endurance to execute well. 

BUT last week we had done 2 x 1500 at 3K pace, which is much faster than our coach ever allows us/prescribes (for any sustained amount of time anyway.

Interestingly though, I think that workout provided such a great psychological stimulus that a 1200 which is shorter and ran at a slower pace seemed really doable. I just had to not think about the fact there were 6 of them. 

I'm sure there was some physiological adaptations made last week but I really felt the gains were psychological. I don't think I have given enough credit to just how important that part is in racing and training. 

I couldn't agree more with this.  It's always difficult mentally (for me at least) to put myself into a pain area, but doing something that really really hurts, makes the workouts that only really hurt not seem too bad at all.

I'm reading this book right now, Surviving the Extremes: What Happens to the Body and Mind at the Limits of Human Endurance. It's written by a doctor who, as the title suggest, writes about the things that happen to the human body in extreme environmental conditions in the jungle, ocean desert, underwater, high altitude, and outer space. 

I'm only on the jungle portion but it's amazing how he often credits psychological, or "placebo" effects for  some of the barriers people are able to hurdle in order to survive. 

They should pay you commission - just picked up that book on Amazon.

It's pretty amazing what a little mental breakthrough can do - like completing a non-stop 2.4 mile swim - while there may not be much physical breakthrough, the mental aspect can be HUGE.

It's SO good. Let me know what you think.

I hope I wasn't misleading as it's not really about running, biking or swimming. But it's such a great read. And of course, the concepts are universal. 

Not misleading. Sounds like a great read I love real-life adventure/survival stuff. And science.



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Okay, so I finally buckled down and did some bike testing this week -- 5' test on Tuesday and 20' test this morning.  The results were not pretty, but hopefully with some structured bike training, I can get back to where I was last year.

Good work Nicole. Really testing is not that bad. Maybe its me or just my opinion, but I think using any training perimeter requires constant testing to be accurate and effective. To further explain my thoughts. The body response to the stimulus we provided in training. Yes, among a few other things like recovery. If the parameters are off then we will train in incorrect zones. Maybe this relates more to optimum performance, but I think not. Another consideration is also that even tests from one day to another day could be off. This is considering we are only human and have bad days. Hence its a cycle in repeat. I say test and test often. I have no recomendations of often.

I also tested this week. Its been a long time since I did a 5'/20' test so this was really a baseline assessment. As to the bolded James, I might have to disagree. It was bad. Very bad. But I did learn that just because I feel like I'm going to throw up does not mean it will actually happen. Perhaps I'm one who needs to learn how to suffer and testing teaches me how to deal with it. 

2015-02-13 3:02 PM
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Originally posted by kcarroll

Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by ligersandtions

Okay, so I finally buckled down and did some bike testing this week -- 5' test on Tuesday and 20' test this morning.  The results were not pretty, but hopefully with some structured bike training, I can get back to where I was last year.

Good work Nicole. Really testing is not that bad. Maybe its me or just my opinion, but I think using any training perimeter requires constant testing to be accurate and effective. To further explain my thoughts. The body response to the stimulus we provided in training. Yes, among a few other things like recovery. If the parameters are off then we will train in incorrect zones. Maybe this relates more to optimum performance, but I think not. Another consideration is also that even tests from one day to another day could be off. This is considering we are only human and have bad days. Hence its a cycle in repeat. I say test and test often. I have no recomendations of often.

I also tested this week. Its been a long time since I did a 5'/20' test so this was really a baseline assessment. As to the bolded James, I might have to disagree. It was bad. Very bad. But I did learn that just because I feel like I'm going to throw up does not mean it will actually happen. Perhaps I'm one who needs to learn how to suffer and testing teaches me how to deal with it. 

Generally people do need to learn how to really suffer to do the tests (and for what the hard work really means). Though I'm not really sure about statements such as testing not being "that bad".

2015-02-13 3:33 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by ligersandtions

Okay, so I finally buckled down and did some bike testing this week -- 5' test on Tuesday and 20' test this morning.  The results were not pretty, but hopefully with some structured bike training, I can get back to where I was last year.

Good work Nicole. Really testing is not that bad. Maybe its me or just my opinion, but I think using any training perimeter requires constant testing to be accurate and effective. To further explain my thoughts. The body response to the stimulus we provided in training. Yes, among a few other things like recovery. If the parameters are off then we will train in incorrect zones. Maybe this relates more to optimum performance, but I think not. Another consideration is also that even tests from one day to another day could be off. This is considering we are only human and have bad days. Hence its a cycle in repeat. I say test and test often. I have no recomendations of often.

I also tested this week. Its been a long time since I did a 5'/20' test so this was really a baseline assessment. As to the bolded James, I might have to disagree. It was bad. Very bad. But I did learn that just because I feel like I'm going to throw up does not mean it will actually happen. Perhaps I'm one who needs to learn how to suffer and testing teaches me how to deal with it. 

Generally people do need to learn how to really suffer to do the tests (and for what the hard work really means). Though I'm not really sure about statements such as testing not being "that bad".

I hear testing is a lot easier when you follow it up with 2x40'...while in the middle of a 100 day running challenge.  

2015-02-13 3:49 PM
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Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by ligersandtions

Okay, so I finally buckled down and did some bike testing this week -- 5' test on Tuesday and 20' test this morning.  The results were not pretty, but hopefully with some structured bike training, I can get back to where I was last year.

Good work Nicole. Really testing is not that bad. Maybe its me or just my opinion, but I think using any training perimeter requires constant testing to be accurate and effective. To further explain my thoughts. The body response to the stimulus we provided in training. Yes, among a few other things like recovery. If the parameters are off then we will train in incorrect zones. Maybe this relates more to optimum performance, but I think not. Another consideration is also that even tests from one day to another day could be off. This is considering we are only human and have bad days. Hence its a cycle in repeat. I say test and test often. I have no recomendations of often.

I also tested this week. Its been a long time since I did a 5'/20' test so this was really a baseline assessment. As to the bolded James, I might have to disagree. It was bad. Very bad. But I did learn that just because I feel like I'm going to throw up does not mean it will actually happen. Perhaps I'm one who needs to learn how to suffer and testing teaches me how to deal with it. 

I agree.  I fear the tests, because I suffer quite a bit during them.  And the 5' ain't any easier than the 20', even though I know that I could sandbag it and get a higher FTP  

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20min run test for me tonight - not pretty, done at the running track around the new velodrome.  Maxed out the HR and effort but the legs weren't moving very well.  Can only get faster..:-)



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Originally posted by ChrisM

Originally posted by kcarroll

Originally posted by BrotherTri
Originally posted by ligersandtions

Okay, so I finally buckled down and did some bike testing this week -- 5' test on Tuesday and 20' test this morning.  The results were not pretty, but hopefully with some structured bike training, I can get back to where I was last year.

Good work Nicole. Really testing is not that bad. Maybe its me or just my opinion, but I think using any training perimeter requires constant testing to be accurate and effective. To further explain my thoughts. The body response to the stimulus we provided in training. Yes, among a few other things like recovery. If the parameters are off then we will train in incorrect zones. Maybe this relates more to optimum performance, but I think not. Another consideration is also that even tests from one day to another day could be off. This is considering we are only human and have bad days. Hence its a cycle in repeat. I say test and test often. I have no recomendations of often.

I also tested this week. Its been a long time since I did a 5'/20' test so this was really a baseline assessment. As to the bolded James, I might have to disagree. It was bad. Very bad. But I did learn that just because I feel like I'm going to throw up does not mean it will actually happen. Perhaps I'm one who needs to learn how to suffer and testing teaches me how to deal with it. 

I agree.  I fear the tests, because I suffer quite a bit during them.  And the 5' ain't any easier than the 20', even though I know that I could sandbag it and get a higher FTP  

Sometimes holding it for longer seems better than trying to go deeper and shorter even though things will be over faster.

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20min run test for me tonight - not pretty, done at the running track around the new velodrome.  Maxed out the HR and effort but the legs weren't moving very well.  Can only get faster..:-)




FYI, I got confirmation from Andy F that they are doing aero testing at Milton very soon.
2015-02-15 4:27 PM
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20min run test for me tonight - not pretty, done at the running track around the new velodrome.  Maxed out the HR and effort but the legs weren't moving very well.  Can only get faster..:-)

FYI, I got confirmation from Andy F that they are doing aero testing at Milton very soon.

Very cool - thanks Marc.  I had spoken to one of the track coaches and he mentioned he'd had some discussions with Alpha Mantis but didn't think anything would happen till after the Pan Am games.  If something did materialize before Spring and the Games take over the velodrome I'd seriously look at doing the testing.

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Good 5x4' VO2 ride this morning.  Based on my most recent FTP testing, I accumulated 106 TSS points in 65 minutes.  Something tells me my FTP isn't nearly as low as what the testing said it was!  I think I just need to remember how to let/make myself really suffer

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