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2016-03-09 7:47 AM
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Oh, man oh Manatees, I have missed you so much!!!  The above discussion about tires cracks me up!

So.  Proof of life post.  My HM in Zion is this Saturday.  I was thinking back and it was one of you Mad Manatees who got me hooked on the idea of doing this race back in 2014.  Here I am, 18 months later, 4 days out from my first HM and it's all your fault!  My training has been going well, even when I end up feeling like crud.  Those lousy days remind me of how important good--and consistent--nutrition/hydration are and that going out slow isn't always a bad thing (despite what my dog thinks).

I'm now officially signed up to do the run leg of the Boulder 70.3 in June and the long course Harvest Moon duathlon in September.  I'm also officially freaking out about the du now that I've done the math and figured out how long it's going to take me to finish the thing.  For some reason, I thought about the distances and figured, "I should be able to do that."  Then I woke up at 3 a.m. earlier this week and thought, "OMG, that's going to take me north of 7 hours to finish. That's a long time to keep moving!!!"  I don't know why I failed to consider that before.  Guess I'm going to have to figure out a good nutrition plan and get a heck of a lot better about drinking water while riding my bike. Or just get faster.

My eyes don't seem to be improving anymore, or if they are, I can't tell.  My eye doctor wants to refer me for vision therapy but is waiting until I get accepted into the state Vocational Rehab program.  I had an intake appointment with a voc rehab counselor in early February and still haven't heard whether I got in. I also had to drop out of choir again because seeing everybody swaying was making me nauseated and leaving rehearsal all the time was getting pretty demoralizing.  I've had some down days, but between the training structure/goals and the inspires I get from you wonderful people, I'm managing to keep moving forward.  Thank you, friends!!

Mary so very glad to see you and to hear that you are all psyched up for your HM this weekend. And I agree it is always the Manatees fault when we get sucked in to anything!

I do that all the time! Way to keep on going with all the issues. That is too bad about the choir. I guess you can't sing with your eyes closed the whole time. Hope you hear about the VoRehab soon.



2016-03-09 8:15 AM
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Originally posted by laffinrock

Oh, man oh Manatees, I have missed you so much!!!  The above discussion about tires cracks me up!

So.  Proof of life post.  My HM in Zion is this Saturday.  I was thinking back and it was one of you Mad Manatees who got me hooked on the idea of doing this race back in 2014.  Here I am, 18 months later, 4 days out from my first HM and it's all your fault!  My training has been going well, even when I end up feeling like crud.  Those lousy days remind me of how important good--and consistent--nutrition/hydration are and that going out slow isn't always a bad thing (despite what my dog thinks).

I'm now officially signed up to do the run leg of the Boulder 70.3 in June and the long course Harvest Moon duathlon in September.  I'm also officially freaking out about the du now that I've done the math and figured out how long it's going to take me to finish the thing.  For some reason, I thought about the distances and figured, "I should be able to do that."  Then I woke up at 3 a.m. earlier this week and thought, "OMG, that's going to take me north of 7 hours to finish. That's a long time to keep moving!!!"  I don't know why I failed to consider that before.  Guess I'm going to have to figure out a good nutrition plan and get a heck of a lot better about drinking water while riding my bike. Or just get faster.

My eyes don't seem to be improving anymore, or if they are, I can't tell.  My eye doctor wants to refer me for vision therapy but is waiting until I get accepted into the state Vocational Rehab program.  I had an intake appointment with a voc rehab counselor in early February and still haven't heard whether I got in. I also had to drop out of choir again because seeing everybody swaying was making me nauseated and leaving rehearsal all the time was getting pretty demoralizing.  I've had some down days, but between the training structure/goals and the inspires I get from you wonderful people, I'm managing to keep moving forward.  Thank you, friends!!

I'm so glad one of us is running Zion!!  Glad your training is going well, but am sorry to hear that your eyes are still not behaving! 

2016-03-09 8:24 AM
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2016-03-09 8:40 AM
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Originally posted by brigby1

It's always Chris's fault, even when shown otherwise! 

Evidently, Ben has been in contact with my wife and kids! 

Just passing along what I picked up here.

Most notably when one of us discovered Dash saddles. You got blamed without having any part of that discussion and I was the only one who brought them up. Even better was with the uncertainty of that the default was you ("I think it was Chris").

2016-03-09 8:51 AM
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2 current giveaways, 1 big and the other small:

http://www.tifosioptics.com/

http://triathlon.competitor.com/winthisbike

 




Thanks for the heads up! After entering the bike giveaway I got a pop up for capeless human wigs. Guess you learn something new every day.
2016-03-09 8:57 AM
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Um, Adrienne?

Another friend in Seattle had felt the blast from like 10 blocks away.



2016-03-09 8:59 AM
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Um, Adrienne?

Another friend in Seattle had felt the blast from like 10 blocks away.

Oh no!  Adrienne update us, please!

2016-03-09 9:00 AM
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I either got food poisoning or a stomach bug last night.  Either way I'm hating life right now.  Seems like it's impossible for me to string two weeks of solid working out in a row.

2016-03-09 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by brigby1

Um, Adrienne?

Another friend in Seattle had felt the blast from like 10 blocks away.

Oh no!  Adrienne update us, please!

Yes, please check in when you can.

2016-03-09 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by brigby1

Um, Adrienne?

Another friend in Seattle had felt the blast from like 10 blocks away.

Oh no!  Adrienne update us, please!

Yes, please check in when you can.

Oh, thanks guys. I'm good. My neighborhood is pretty far from here AND luckily there were no fatalities. There are, however, a few firefighters who were injured while battling the blaze but it seems as though injuries were minor. 

 

 

2016-03-09 12:05 PM
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I either got food poisoning or a stomach bug last night.  Either way I'm hating life right now.  Seems like it's impossible for me to string two weeks of solid working out in a row.

Ugh sorry to hear that. Feel better! 



2016-03-09 12:58 PM
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Salty we are glad to here there are no fatalities and that you weren't in harms way.

So does anyone have experience with or recommendations for shipping a bike? DS2 wants his bike because there are bike trails at his new location. Thoughts?
2016-03-09 1:10 PM
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Originally posted by rrrunner Salty we are glad to here there are no fatalities and that you weren't in harms way. So does anyone have experience with or recommendations for shipping a bike? DS2 wants his bike because there are bike trails at his new location. Thoughts?

it's been a while now, but I did ship my bike cross country once using UPS.  I did the packaging myself, but you may want to take the bike to your lbs and see if they will send it for you.

2016-03-09 1:43 PM
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Originally posted by rrrunner Salty we are glad to here there are no fatalities and that you weren't in harms way. So does anyone have experience with or recommendations for shipping a bike? DS2 wants his bike because there are bike trails at his new location. Thoughts?

it's been a while now, but I did ship my bike cross country once using UPS.  I did the packaging myself, but you may want to take the bike to your lbs and see if they will send it for you.

I'd just go to the LBS and take a bike box (as in a cardboard box one a bike came in) off off their hands then break the bike down enough to fit in the box. I did this to fly. Just took of the bars, pedals, seat essentially. Bubble wrapped any vulnerable parts and put a spacer thing between the forks (especially since they were carbon fiber.)



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2016-03-09 1:55 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by brigby1

Um, Adrienne?

Another friend in Seattle had felt the blast from like 10 blocks away.

Oh no!  Adrienne update us, please!

Yes, please check in when you can.

Oh, thanks guys. I'm good. My neighborhood is pretty far from here AND luckily there were no fatalities. There are, however, a few firefighters who were injured while battling the blaze but it seems as though injuries were minor. 

Glad to hear it wasn't near you and thankfully wasn't more serious.  Wow.

2016-03-09 2:05 PM
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Originally posted by laffinrock

Oh, man oh Manatees, I have missed you so much!!!  The above discussion about tires cracks me up!

So.  Proof of life post.  My HM in Zion is this Saturday.  I was thinking back and it was one of you Mad Manatees who got me hooked on the idea of doing this race back in 2014.  Here I am, 18 months later, 4 days out from my first HM and it's all your fault!  My training has been going well, even when I end up feeling like crud.  Those lousy days remind me of how important good--and consistent--nutrition/hydration are and that going out slow isn't always a bad thing (despite what my dog thinks).

I'm now officially signed up to do the run leg of the Boulder 70.3 in June and the long course Harvest Moon duathlon in September.  I'm also officially freaking out about the du now that I've done the math and figured out how long it's going to take me to finish the thing.  For some reason, I thought about the distances and figured, "I should be able to do that."  Then I woke up at 3 a.m. earlier this week and thought, "OMG, that's going to take me north of 7 hours to finish. That's a long time to keep moving!!!"  I don't know why I failed to consider that before.  Guess I'm going to have to figure out a good nutrition plan and get a heck of a lot better about drinking water while riding my bike. Or just get faster.

My eyes don't seem to be improving anymore, or if they are, I can't tell.  My eye doctor wants to refer me for vision therapy but is waiting until I get accepted into the state Vocational Rehab program.  I had an intake appointment with a voc rehab counselor in early February and still haven't heard whether I got in. I also had to drop out of choir again because seeing everybody swaying was making me nauseated and leaving rehearsal all the time was getting pretty demoralizing.  I've had some down days, but between the training structure/goals and the inspires I get from you wonderful people, I'm managing to keep moving forward.  Thank you, friends!!

*waving vigorously* Hi Mary, we've missed you!

Also, if any manatees want to join us, I've registered to do the aquabike at Harvest Moon.  Yup, I'm headed to CO in Sept to see Mary and to race!  



2016-03-09 3:24 PM
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Originally posted by laffinrock

Oh, man oh Manatees, I have missed you so much!!!  The above discussion about tires cracks me up!

So.  Proof of life post.  My HM in Zion is this Saturday.  I was thinking back and it was one of you Mad Manatees who got me hooked on the idea of doing this race back in 2014.  Here I am, 18 months later, 4 days out from my first HM and it's all your fault!  My training has been going well, even when I end up feeling like crud.  Those lousy days remind me of how important good--and consistent--nutrition/hydration are and that going out slow isn't always a bad thing (despite what my dog thinks).

I'm now officially signed up to do the run leg of the Boulder 70.3 in June and the long course Harvest Moon duathlon in September.  I'm also officially freaking out about the du now that I've done the math and figured out how long it's going to take me to finish the thing.  For some reason, I thought about the distances and figured, "I should be able to do that."  Then I woke up at 3 a.m. earlier this week and thought, "OMG, that's going to take me north of 7 hours to finish. That's a long time to keep moving!!!"  I don't know why I failed to consider that before.  Guess I'm going to have to figure out a good nutrition plan and get a heck of a lot better about drinking water while riding my bike. Or just get faster.

My eyes don't seem to be improving anymore, or if they are, I can't tell.  My eye doctor wants to refer me for vision therapy but is waiting until I get accepted into the state Vocational Rehab program.  I had an intake appointment with a voc rehab counselor in early February and still haven't heard whether I got in. I also had to drop out of choir again because seeing everybody swaying was making me nauseated and leaving rehearsal all the time was getting pretty demoralizing.  I've had some down days, but between the training structure/goals and the inspires I get from you wonderful people, I'm managing to keep moving forward.  Thank you, friends!!

Mary, so glad to see you.

Ahh the Zion half, enjoy! I LOVE it there

2016-03-09 6:09 PM
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Hey guys, wanted to run something by you all regarding tune up races.

I am a big fan of tune up races as they give you a good idea of what is possible for a goal race. I also think that it is an opportunity to build confidence, work on pacing and fueling, work out the kinks in your equipment, and just gives your more experience in racing, in general.

I'm thinking of the races that appeal to me as well as work with my schedule for my marathon build. The race that does both of these things is  a trail race with a ton of loss and gain, and challenging terrain. The marathon I am doing is on a non-technical trail with a gradual net downhill. This goes without saying but it's not an apples to apples comparison.  I have, however, done the (potential tune-up trail race) before so, while the exact pacing type metrics wont translate I can potentially compare my times, depending on the similarity of other variables like weather. 

Even as I write this I wonder, even if I ran a faster time it doesn't mean I am in "good" marathon shape? Does it give me any feedback as to what to change or work on before the marathon? Probably not. Hmmmm maybe I just need to run a flat-ish road race of some sort to get a baseline. 

I realize I am more or less just thinking "aloud" but feel free to chime in if you have feedback. 

2016-03-09 8:44 PM
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Hey guys, wanted to run something by you all regarding tune up races.

I am a big fan of tune up races as they give you a good idea of what is possible for a goal race. I also think that it is an opportunity to build confidence, work on pacing and fueling, work out the kinks in your equipment, and just gives your more experience in racing, in general.

I'm thinking of the races that appeal to me as well as work with my schedule for my marathon build. The race that does both of these things is  a trail race with a ton of loss and gain, and challenging terrain. The marathon I am doing is on a non-technical trail with a gradual net downhill. This goes without saying but it's not an apples to apples comparison.  I have, however, done the (potential tune-up trail race) before so, while the exact pacing type metrics wont translate I can potentially compare my times, depending on the similarity of other variables like weather. 

Even as I write this I wonder, even if I ran a faster time it doesn't mean I am in "good" marathon shape? Does it give me any feedback as to what to change or work on before the marathon? Probably not. Hmmmm maybe I just need to run a flat-ish road race of some sort to get a baseline. 

I realize I am more or less just thinking "aloud" but feel free to chime in if you have feedback. 




I'm an advocate of "tune Up" races. since it is a tune up, you can relax more and work on or try things. You can get an idea of your projected time with a run prognosticator. McMillan Run Prognosticator is surprisingly accurate.
2016-03-09 9:22 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Hey guys, wanted to run something by you all regarding tune up races.

I am a big fan of tune up races as they give you a good idea of what is possible for a goal race. I also think that it is an opportunity to build confidence, work on pacing and fueling, work out the kinks in your equipment, and just gives your more experience in racing, in general.

I'm thinking of the races that appeal to me as well as work with my schedule for my marathon build. The race that does both of these things is  a trail race with a ton of loss and gain, and challenging terrain. The marathon I am doing is on a non-technical trail with a gradual net downhill. This goes without saying but it's not an apples to apples comparison.  I have, however, done the (potential tune-up trail race) before so, while the exact pacing type metrics wont translate I can potentially compare my times, depending on the similarity of other variables like weather. 

Even as I write this I wonder, even if I ran a faster time it doesn't mean I am in "good" marathon shape? Does it give me any feedback as to what to change or work on before the marathon? Probably not. Hmmmm maybe I just need to run a flat-ish road race of some sort to get a baseline. 

I realize I am more or less just thinking "aloud" but feel free to chime in if you have feedback. 

Think you're already coming to what I'm thinking to say.  Sounds fine for getting back into a racing environment, but could be lacking as a predictor for the marathon (and fitness). How would it be for testing your off-road skill? Is that going to be much of a factor?

2016-03-10 6:35 AM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Hey guys, wanted to run something by you all regarding tune up races.

I am a big fan of tune up races as they give you a good idea of what is possible for a goal race. I also think that it is an opportunity to build confidence, work on pacing and fueling, work out the kinks in your equipment, and just gives your more experience in racing, in general.

I'm thinking of the races that appeal to me as well as work with my schedule for my marathon build. The race that does both of these things is  a trail race with a ton of loss and gain, and challenging terrain. The marathon I am doing is on a non-technical trail with a gradual net downhill. This goes without saying but it's not an apples to apples comparison.  I have, however, done the (potential tune-up trail race) before so, while the exact pacing type metrics wont translate I can potentially compare my times, depending on the similarity of other variables like weather. 

Even as I write this I wonder, even if I ran a faster time it doesn't mean I am in "good" marathon shape? Does it give me any feedback as to what to change or work on before the marathon? Probably not. Hmmmm maybe I just need to run a flat-ish road race of some sort to get a baseline. 

I realize I am more or less just thinking "aloud" but feel free to chime in if you have feedback. 

It may not be a great race to work on pacing but you could work on nutrition or, if there is a section of the half course that more closely mimics the marathon course, do a pacing interval there.  I mean, you are obviously drawn to this race.  ;-)

What is A race?  The marathon?  The ultra?  Both?  TBD?



2016-03-10 7:15 AM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Hey guys, wanted to run something by you all regarding tune up races.

I am a big fan of tune up races as they give you a good idea of what is possible for a goal race. I also think that it is an opportunity to build confidence, work on pacing and fueling, work out the kinks in your equipment, and just gives your more experience in racing, in general.

I'm thinking of the races that appeal to me as well as work with my schedule for my marathon build. The race that does both of these things is  a trail race with a ton of loss and gain, and challenging terrain. The marathon I am doing is on a non-technical trail with a gradual net downhill. This goes without saying but it's not an apples to apples comparison.  I have, however, done the (potential tune-up trail race) before so, while the exact pacing type metrics wont translate I can potentially compare my times, depending on the similarity of other variables like weather. 

Even as I write this I wonder, even if I ran a faster time it doesn't mean I am in "good" marathon shape? Does it give me any feedback as to what to change or work on before the marathon? Probably not. Hmmmm maybe I just need to run a flat-ish road race of some sort to get a baseline. 

I realize I am more or less just thinking "aloud" but feel free to chime in if you have feedback. 

It may not be a great race to work on pacing but you could work on nutrition or, if there is a section of the half course that more closely mimics the marathon course, do a pacing interval there.  I mean, you are obviously drawn to this race.  ;-)

What is A race?  The marathon?  The ultra?  Both?  TBD?

I try to look at this with an eye towards who someone is.  For a while, you ran for speed, to push yourself and to grow as a racer.  Recently, that morphed into running for experience.  2 days on the trail, many mountain runs, Skimo, etc.  And you are one of the people who most helped me define "goals".  So, I look at the question with an eye towards your ever evolving growth.  It seems to me you are kind of heading into a time where both the experience and the speed will be important.  Janyne's questions resonate on that level.  It looks like you want to do the race, as you are drawn to it.  At the same time, you have another race in mind as the goal (A race).

All that said, I think Ben and she hit the nail on the head.  It may not be the best predictor or prep race for the marathon goal race, but it would help you get back to "the race".  That should not be taken lightly.  There are always things to work on in a race, especially for someone that approaches them the way you do.

2016-03-10 8:50 AM
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You mean I can't blame you if I start posting slower bike times?? haha. I plan on speaking to my LBS about this as well before buying anything. I just wanted to get smart 1st so I can have an educated discussion with them.


This is where slowtwich is shines. They can be rude etc, but they are very scientific over there with data like this, and I eat it up.

Latex tubes are faster because they have much lower rolling resistance, not because they're lighter. Everyone should be racing with latex tubes. IIRC, the benefit is 2-3 watts per tire.

In a tire, you need to look at two things. Rolling resistance and aerodynamics. The aerodynamics depend on the wheel you're putting it on as well. So you can't just pick a tire, you have to pick a tire for your wheels. In general the narrowest wheel/tire comb will be the most aero. But you don't want to pick that combo with a terrible rolling resistance.

In your case I would stick with a 23 up front unless you have a very narrow wheel then you might go down to a 20. In the back aero is not as important and you might pick a 25 if it's rolling resistance is better than the 23.


Edit: In training though, go both 25mm or bigger. I'm one of those that Ben probably thinks goes overboard on the comfort of them. I ride a lot of chip-n-seal and the 25mm combined with latex tubes is amazing. Plus with the bigger tire you're less likely to get flats (greater surface area reduces the pressure on one given spot so less likely to puncture)

Edit #2: I wouldn't bet on the LBS being that knowledgeable, so be cautious and research what they tell you before buying.

Edit #3: this is a good thread. Starts discussing just the turbo cotton, but turns into a discussion of all the best tire options at the moment. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Fo...



I agree with Sean. I ride 25 both front and back with Latex during training.
2016-03-10 10:54 AM
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Is it possible that losing weight can cause goggles not to fit well anymore? I'm thinking that sounds reasonable, especially for someone like me that has a rather....let's say - cherubic quality to the face. Recently its like I hit a point where suddenly my goggles are digging in where they never did before, and I seem to be having issues with leaking as well.
Does it seem like maybe I just need a new pair of the same goggles? Or should I try to find something else that fits my (slightly) more svelte face? If it makes a difference, I'm down about 20 pounds since I first bought the Speedo Vanquishers I've been swimming in since May. They now dig in really hard on the inner corners, and leak on the outside edges.
2016-03-10 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Atlantia Is it possible that losing weight can cause goggles not to fit well anymore? I'm thinking that sounds reasonable, especially for someone like me that has a rather....let's say - cherubic quality to the face. Recently its like I hit a point where suddenly my goggles are digging in where they never did before, and I seem to be having issues with leaking as well. Does it seem like maybe I just need a new pair of the same goggles? Or should I try to find something else that fits my (slightly) more svelte face? If it makes a difference, I'm down about 20 pounds since I first bought the Speedo Vanquishers I've been swimming in since May. They now dig in really hard on the inner corners, and leak on the outside edges.

Grats on the weight loss!  I think you just need to play with the tightness on it some.  I used Speedo Vanquishers exclusively during my entire time of tri training, and they worked fine for me.  

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author : EndurancePlanet
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Not only is he a great athlete, he is a great mentor. I have been in his mentor group for the last two rounds and he inspires and encourages our entire group daily.
date : February 19, 2007
author : Terese Luikens
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Find a mentor. Make a list of at least three people that you could approach for help, list your specific needs and then be courageous enough to begin asking.