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2008-10-02 10:20 PM

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Subject: Ridiculouly horribly difficult tire...

I recently got Continental Grand Prix Triathlon tires (650x23).  I put one on several days ago and it was extremely difficult to pull the bead over the rim compared to the tires I had previously (Michelins).  It seriously took me half an hour, both levers, and I had to pin one end with a wrench.  By comparison, with the Michelins I could do it without levers.

I attributed my difficulties to my girly weakness until I got my super strong husband to put on the second one for me.   He struggled for half an hour before using soap and water, more muscle, a bunch of loud noises and curse words, and finally the tire is on the rim.

Anyone else have problems like this?   What am I supposed to do if I flat on the road, or better yet, in my race this weekend?  I've never before been worried about having to change a tire, but these things are just ridiculous.



2008-10-03 2:31 AM
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For one thing, try changing the flat by only taking one side of the tire out of the rim. Leave the other side in.

It will get easier if you take off and put back on a few times. You might want to do that while watching TV one evening, if only to just get used to doing it but you'll also stretch the tire slightly and make it easier each time you do.
2008-10-03 6:16 AM
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I've struggled in a similar manner with an indoor trainer tire. A mechanic at the bike shop suggested I soak the tire in warm water, then do the instal. I plan to eliminate some skinned knuckles and effort by doing that this year.
2008-10-03 9:31 AM
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I do know to only take one side out of the rim when I change a flat.  I was installing these tires for the first time.  Getting the first bead on was actually a lot easier than the second.  Soaking the tires sounds like a good idea, but I still don't know what I'll do when I get the inevitable flat while I'm out on a ride.  I suppose I will try stretching the tires.
2008-10-03 9:40 AM
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Hey Froggy, I had a tire on my son's road bike like that. I think it was a Conti, but not sure. I am the house and croup tire changer. Ended up taking it to the LBS and they also struggled for a long time with it. I think some are just tighter than others, and I don't know if it has anything to do with a wire or Kevlar bead??

Hope you NEVER get a flat.

2008-10-03 9:41 AM
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I have the same tires (in 700c) and had the same difficulty putting them on.  Complained to a wrench friend and he said that they are notorious for being difficult to install.  They are also known to be super light and to have low rolling resistance.

From reading reviews, I am told that they do not last as long as other tires given their thin construction.

froglegs - 2008-10-02 11:20 PM

I recently got Continental Grand Prix Triathlon tires (650x23).  I put one on several days ago and it was extremely difficult to pull the bead over the rim compared to the tires I had previously (Michelins).  It seriously took me half an hour, both levers, and I had to pin one end with a wrench.  By comparison, with the Michelins I could do it without levers.

I attributed my difficulties to my girly weakness until I got my super strong husband to put on the second one for me.   He struggled for half an hour before using soap and water, more muscle, a bunch of loud noises and curse words, and finally the tire is on the rim.

Anyone else have problems like this?   What am I supposed to do if I flat on the road, or better yet, in my race this weekend?  I've never before been worried about having to change a tire, but these things are just ridiculous.



2008-10-03 9:45 AM
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Sounds a lot like going from a folding bead to a wire bead.  Best bet next time is to look for the folding bead, they're much easier to put on (don't need the tire lever at all really.)  I switched mine for that very reason a month or so ago.
2008-10-03 9:48 AM
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ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-03 9:45 AM Sounds a lot like going from a folding bead to a wire bead.  Best bet next time is to look for the folding bead, they're much easier to put on (don't need the tire lever at all really.)  I switched mine for that very reason a month or so ago.

Not necessarily. I just struggled getting a set of Michelin Pro3 Race (folding) tires on, and have had wire bead tires that went on easily without levers.

ETA: Looks like the OP's Continental Grand Prix Triathlon is a folding tire as well.



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2008-10-03 10:08 AM
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I had this problem, but I just installed and re-installed a few times and it got easier each time.  They will stretch a bit to make it easier.  Put it on - ride it - take it off and put it back on, repeat a few times.  Race.  Don't flat.
2008-10-03 10:24 AM
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leapdog - 2008-10-03 6:16 AM

I plan to eliminate some skinned knuckles and effort by doing that this year.



If I had my camera and could upload pix at work, I'd throw a pic of my hands after trials and tribulations of putting on a new tire for the trainer....looks like I practiced juggling with steak knives...
2008-10-03 10:47 AM
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Funny. I had almost the opposite problem yesterday. I have Conti Attack/Force on my regular wheels...very easy to take on/off. Was prepping for this weekend with my race wheels on, which have Michelin Pro 3 Race tires. Flatted out on the rear, and it was a SOB getting that bad boy off the tire...snapped a freakin' tire lever in the process!


2008-10-03 11:12 AM
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the bear - 2008-10-03 9:48 AM

ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-03 9:45 AM Sounds a lot like going from a folding bead to a wire bead.  Best bet next time is to look for the folding bead, they're much easier to put on (don't need the tire lever at all really.)  I switched mine for that very reason a month or so ago.

Not necessarily. I just struggled getting a set of Michelin Pro3 Race (folding) tires on, and have had wire bead tires that went on easily without levers.

ETA: Looks like the OP's Continental Grand Prix Triathlon is a folding tire as well.




x2!!! I run the Mich Pro3 Race and they are EXTREMELY difficult to get on & off. I went from a wire bead Bontrager tire to the folding Pro3, and I think the folding tires are WAY more difficult to work with. Thank goodness I do all of my riding with my hubby, because there is NO WAY that I could get that tire changed without some extra muscle (and I'm fairly strong and muscular for a woman). Heaven forbid, I were to ever flat during a race...it'd be an automatic DNF for me.

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I also am horrendous at tire changes, but I'll note that I did read somewhere that there is a bike tool that acts like a set of tire-friendly pliers made specifically to get a better grip on the tire so you can pull it up and onto the rim. After fighting my road tire to no end (30 minutes and pain for the tire change), I'm going to go looking for this tool. At the least, I'm hoping that a few changes with the tool will "soften" up the tires a bit so that if I flat on the road, I can at least get by without such a struggle.
2008-10-03 11:26 AM
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It seems to me like a lack of proper standards for the different tire manufacturers.

I have had similar problems with the tire you are referring to and swapped it out for other models from Conti and even different brands  trying to find a tire that would fit better.

My new bike came with Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks and I changed a flat for the first time on the new rims last night and it was dream. (I was almost able to do the whole thing by hand)

Seems like some models of Conti, (Folding and Wire Beaded) and just about anything made my Specialized is a real bear to put on. (No Pun intended)

2008-10-03 11:31 AM
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Me too...I can NOT get them on! My husband has always done it for me and even he struggles. THANK GOD I'VE NEVER HAD A FLAT WITH THEM! Now, I did just get a new pair and someone suggested stretching them. So for control, I put the first one on with out stretching it--didn't get it all the way. So I moved to the next one, stretched it (or so I think) pretty much by just using my arms and back and own girlie weakness-and got it on! So I took the 'control' tire off, stretched it and low and behold, 45 minutes after starting the switchout, I had brand new tires!
2008-10-03 12:02 PM
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WaterDog66 - 2008-10-03 10:26 AM

My new bike came with Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks and I changed a flat for the first time on the new rims last night and it was dream. (I was almost able to do the whole thing by hand

My new bike came with the same tires, and never having changed a road bike tire before, I decided to do a practice run with them last night.  They're much easier than any mountain bike tires I've had.  I didn't need any tools at all.



2008-10-03 12:35 PM
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I have 8 tires at my house, all of which are Specialized Pro. I just use old ones for the trainer. For the most part, these tires are very easy to get on and off. I use one tire lever to get them off (could probably make do with none), and no levers are needed to get them on. However, one of the 8 tires is soooo difficult that I am unable to get it on and off myself. Weird how that happens. It was one that came with my tri bike...so glad it never flatted on me when I was out on the road. I learned of its difficulties when I was riding the trainer in the winter (I use a tire I've designated for the trainer whilst on the trainer, then change out the tire for my weekend outdoor ride).
2008-10-03 12:38 PM
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WaterDog66 - 2008-10-03 12:26 PM

Seems like some models of Conti, (Folding and Wire Beaded) and just about anything made my Specialized is a real bear to put on. (No Pun intended)

Okay ... that was funny

2008-10-03 1:01 PM
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WaterDog66 - 2008-10-03 12:26 PM


Seems like some models of Conti, (Folding and Wire Beaded) and just about anything made my Specialized is a real bear to put on. (No Pun intended)

Specialized Pro --- super easy. Can take on and off without help of tire levers. Aside from one bugger out of the 8 Specialized Pro tires I've owned, they've all been VERY easy.

2008-10-03 2:34 PM
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the bear - 2008-10-03 9:48 AM

Not necessarily. I just struggled getting a set of Michelin Pro3 Race (folding) tires on, and have had wire bead tires that went on easily without levers.

ETA: Looks like the OP's Continental Grand Prix Triathlon is a folding tire as well.

That's good to know, I switched from Continental Ultra Gatorskins (wire-bead) to a folding bead Bontrager Lite.  The guy at the LBS tried to sell me the wire-bead version (a little heavier) but I didn't bite because I assumed my issue with the Gatorskins was the bead.  Sounds like from some fo these posts that maybe a lot of the Continental tires are tough to mount.   Too bad too, I got 4,000 miles out of the front tire, and 2k on each of the two back tires I went through with the Gatorskins. 

2008-10-03 5:17 PM
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Ironic thread for me, to be sure. Destroyed my rear wheel at Malibu, so I just got a new wheel and tire...Continental Grand Prix. Flatted on Wednesday and was relieved that the tire was much easier to get off than the previous one.

(I don't remember what tires I had on my K2 roadie that was stolen recently, but those were nearly impossible to remove. All tires are definitely _not_ created equal in that respect.)


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I think I have this one figured out.  For a quick change next time just start cursing a lot earlier.
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