USADA files charges against Lance (Page 6)

It's so weird bc it's so clearly a vendetta. There is so much other crap that goes on in team/professionally organized $ports$ that get nothing but blind eyes, but these individuals are being targeted.

I don't understand.  I'm not sure what other team/professionally organized sports are monitored by USADA.   In any event, isn't this investigation clearly within the jurisdiction (if that's the correct word) of the USADA?  If they are exceeding their scope or mandate, this whole thing is a non-starter.  It was my understanding that this is exactly what they do.  I get concerns about the US Department of Justice investigating Lance, because they have bigger fish to fry.  But, this is the exact fish that the USADA are supposed to fry.

If there is sufficient evidence for an investigation, why wouldn't they investigate individuals?

I may be missing where the Feds eventually did release their reasons, but I just looked up on the Googles "Feds Doping Lance Armstrong" and they all say they held a grand jury and elected to drop the probe against Lance Armstrong and refused to release the reasons for dropping the probe.  Do you have another article that says they had "insufficient evidence"?

Fact is if they had actual physical evidence, they would've prosecuted. 

Maybe they should take away Patton's Silver Medal in the 1912 Olympic Pentathlon since he admitted he used opiates to make him run faster... A Doper is a Doper...

Absolutely.  He's truly the greatest cyclist ever!  Who doesn't love Jens Voight?

IF I would have signed it before (which I wouldn't have) there is no way I would ever sign anything that has

"Lance Armstrong" and "American Hero" in the same heading...

Why the USADA will do this? I believe its a case of "my sausage is bigger than yours". The people who run those type of organizations (NCAA/BCS/etc) do it for so long doing what they want without reprisals that they think they are bigger than the sport they cover. As TriAya pointed, the "everyone fessed up to us but you, so we are going after you" sounds fascists/high-schoolish.

I feel the USADA basically is saying: Its not the fact that you doped or not that matters, not the fact that you made/did not make a mockery of the sport that matters, its a matter of you not bowing to our power.

Did Lance doped? I tend to believe he did, just because (as the chart above points out), most if not all of the top cyclist of that era  did. But bottom line, he did not test positive. I think the USADA people are just mad he outsmarted them.

My general opinion is that - since the USADA is a profit driven organization that is funded by tax payer dollars - it has to bring in the "big fish" every once and awhile.  Lance is that big fish that they can put on their mantle.

I also believe that, for all intents and purposes, the USADA is a useless organization that serves no real purpose

I'm not intimately familiar with the JD's case on Lance - but I think they concentrated more on the "dealing of drugs" than the "using of drugs" aspect.  I think they couldn't find evidence to support trafficing, etc - so they dropped it.  Again, I'm not intimate with the details.

It is a non-profit corporation.  Regardless, you may have a point about funding.  Even so, that wouldn't make it a personal vendetta.  They are doing their job.  The target is the biggest name in cycling and one of the biggest in triathlon.  This doesn't necessarily make it unfounded.

Interesting podcast from March that provides some GREAT information regarding this whole thing. 

It is a bit shorter than an hour. 

http://competitorradio.competitor.com/2012/03/mark-zeigler-4/

It's classified as a non-profit - yet it sells its wares and relies on tax payer money to fund it.  It certainly seems like a "for profit" organization for me.  *shrugs*  I dunno.  

To me, it seems unfounded when several other organizations (including the USADA at one point) have already been through this again and again.

Non-profit doesn't tell you how you make your money, just that you don't make a profit that goes into someone's pocket.

Greg Lemond. He feels he deserves all of them.

Agreed. A non profit is little more than a tax form and a few accounting rules. Sesame Street is non profit and they make gazillions in revenue.

Down with Sesame Street!

They didn't give specific reasons so we are left to speculate. Believing if they did have physical evidence they would have prosecuted is another speculation really.

They were going after PED dealing and fraud.... they did not have any real physical evidence, video, paper trails... and they interviewed a lot of people. We know a lot said yes, but some must have said no... so they were left with conflicting witnesses and no real evidence to hang their hat on. It does not mean they did nt have evidence... it just means obviously they felt their case was weak.... or even some one stepped in and told them to drop it... we don't.

But is was a different case going after different charges in a different arena.

Lisa just coined the term "Lancegate"...

LOL!

It's Occupy Sesame Street. https://www.facebook.com/occupysesamestreet

My only guess is that we will have to wait and see what heir case is.

I'm assuming they are going to say he failed his passport check in 2009/2010 so it proves he indeed will dope... then I'm assuming they are going to drag up all the other stuff from over the years to say he was doping during the TdF... Tyler, Landis, the 6 "B" samples as circumstantial... to go on to say he doped in the tour and they can strip him of his titles.

I mean all the others that have doped were caught in specific times and their penalties only applied to that. That is my guess... not that they can vacate his titles because of 09/10, but because they will lay out a case that says he did 98-05.

What I suspect is that USADA will get their "guilty" from their passport program and get "vindication" for all time and there will not be enough proof to go back and strip him of his titles... or that some how this will get finished without stripping him of his titles... not from USADA because they obviously want to, but form a appeal or what ever... I don't know. We will have to stay tuned.

But 2 weeks before France is just killing me... such BS. I wonder if WTC will find a way around it... LA and WTC have a contract that he will compete is 6 WTC events this year... who knows?