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 2014-07-19 12:58 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Regular  980    Caerphilly, Wales, uk. |  Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered)Originally posted by laffinrock For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. |
| 2014-07-19 2:05 PM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? Thanks, Darren. That makes sense. |
| 2014-07-19 3:41 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Bicycling Magazine's article about the TX guy who got hit by the truck, as well as of a woman who got run over, then stands up, walks away, then walks back to yell at the driver!! Good to see that this is getting some national press. http://blogs.bicycling.com/blogs/thehub/it-was-a-bad-week-for-cyclists-and-trucks
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| 2014-07-19 4:28 PM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? I have not had a distance problem (the 305 is the under the swim cap one, BTW) but I think the 910XT does better with it. I used my 310XT last weekend and if you look at my OWS, I got 2.2x miles. It was in a channel so pretty straight. When I get the distance from in MapMyFitness, just as the crow files from the start point (Henderson Road, Wrightsville Beach) to the end point (Coast Guard Station), it give me 2.15 (but has me swimming over an island). I think that the Garmin got it right. |
| 2014-07-20 3:44 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? I have not had a distance problem (the 305 is the under the swim cap one, BTW) but I think the 910XT does better with it. I used my 310XT last weekend and if you look at my OWS, I got 2.2x miles. It was in a channel so pretty straight. When I get the distance from in MapMyFitness, just as the crow files from the start point (Henderson Road, Wrightsville Beach) to the end point (Coast Guard Station), it give me 2.15 (but has me swimming over an island). I think that the Garmin got it right. Good to know. So, perhaps the problem with Mary's swim could be down to poor satellite signals in that particular area. Or maybe the watch wasn't on long enough before the swim was started. |
| 2014-07-20 2:51 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Expert 1058 Cambridge | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Hi Guys sorry i've been a bit off the radar - my phone is broken (and has been in repairs for 3 weeks now.... long story) So yeah, last few weeks Been riding a fair bit. Been swimming quite a lot But you all want to know about the TDF Well, in summary it was a bit, underwhelming if i'm totally honest. I was stationed "off route" meant to be directing spectators to the route. We were grouped into teams of 15 with a supervisor. My supervisor was the most jobsworth PITA disorganised useless rude person Ive met. So arrived at the check in at some rediculous hour (about 6am) having been out the night before at a concert... (we got tickets for a big festival in london at a price of £2.50 each (about $4) - normal price £80/$150) so was quite tired. Got assigned to group of 15 at checkin and we walked to our area of control. IF you look at the following google map link, youll see pretty much all we had control over https://www.google.com/maps/dir/52.1916914,0.124069/52.1938365,0.122... So the three "off route" in our group were meant to be assigned to the grass to the west of the road, directing people to the road. It became quite clear this was a completely useless position to be in , as if you got to the grass you could see the hordes of people on the road and where the race was going to go. After sitting in the baking morning sun for about 3 hours (with sun cream of course) on the grass, we decided that the three of us would be better positioned talking to people, letting people know what was going on and generally marshalling people. If you look carefully on the map, there is a load of parking bays, then a bike lane (red) then the road. We were trying to keep people behind the first white line on the red line in order to keep everyone at the same level - if people edge out further up they start edging out behind and you get a vicious circle. Everything went ok, people talking etc, until our supervisor decided to go on a round and started telling people they had to be on the kerb and weren't allowed to be on the road (behind the bike lane like we and the security staff decided). Tell you what, she pissed off about 200 + people there and was not good. You do not insult members of the public with the things she was saying - its just not right. Anyway, she cleared off and we let everyone back out to the red line slowly and jokingly. Caravan came along (freebies....) and threw about three things out along the whole of the couple hundred yards we had - they were also driving at 20+ miles an hour at this point ... bit underwhelming as expected lots and lots of goodies. When the actual tour came along, we had all hands on the road, keeping people back,. Being the nice guy I am, I crouched down to let the people behind me take photos, and was probably 3-4 inches away from the wheels on the outside of the pack - I could have taken out the peloton if I wanted! All the bikes were past in about 10s and then that was that. # Wanted to go home and watch the TV recording of the part in cambridge only to find that the TV company skipped to an advert break as soon as they left and the entire of cambridge was left out of the coverage...... How is everyone else |
| 2014-07-20 3:34 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? Thanks, Darren. That makes sense. Here's an article from DC Rainmaker that explains the concept. http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2007/09/how-to-swim-with-your-garmin-forerunner.html Edited by ponderingfox 2014-07-20 3:34 PM |
| 2014-07-20 3:39 PM in reply to: Richardsdrr |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by jmkizer Good to know. So, perhaps the problem with Mary's swim could be down to poor satellite signals in that particular area. Or maybe the watch wasn't on long enough before the swim was started. Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? I have not had a distance problem (the 305 is the under the swim cap one, BTW) but I think the 910XT does better with it. I used my 310XT last weekend and if you look at my OWS, I got 2.2x miles. It was in a channel so pretty straight. When I get the distance from in MapMyFitness, just as the crow files from the start point (Henderson Road, Wrightsville Beach) to the end point (Coast Guard Station), it give me 2.15 (but has me swimming over an island). I think that the Garmin got it right. The issue is that the GPS receiver loses reception whenever it goes under the water. If you keep it on your wrist, there's not really any GPS watch that will do a good job of keeping track of distance. For OWS, watches rely on an algorithm to get them somewhat close, but it's not like what you would expect with running or cycling. Check out the link I posted that shows how to put the watch underneath a swim cap. It's really the best way. |
| 2014-07-20 4:58 PM in reply to: ponderingfox |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? Thanks, Darren. That makes sense. Here's an article from DC Rainmaker that explains the concept. http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2007/09/how-to-swim-with-your-garmin-forerunner.html This is a great article but the algorithm has been updated numerous times since it was written. It's now fairly decent although the 910XT still does a better job with OWS.
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| 2014-07-20 5:18 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Hidee-ho there, Pod! How are all the racing Manatees doing? Melanie seemed to have a good morning |
| 2014-07-20 6:00 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) This was yesterday morning. (IMG_0032.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IMG_0032.jpg (76KB - 3 downloads) |
| 2014-07-20 6:20 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) |
| 2014-07-20 6:48 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by brigby1 that looks lovely. This was yesterday morning. I hope everyone had a great weekend and your racing went well. |
| 2014-07-20 10:11 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? Thanks, Darren. That makes sense. Here's an article from DC Rainmaker that explains the concept. http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2007/09/how-to-swim-with-your-garmin-forerunner.html This is a great article but the algorithm has been updated numerous times since it was written. It's now fairly decent although the 910XT still does a better job with OWS. When I used my 310XT for the open water swim in the race last week, the result was garbage. The data was absolutely useless. Have you had better results? |
| 2014-07-20 11:38 PM in reply to: ponderingfox |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) I hope all the racey racers had good races! Ben, that photo is awesome! |
| 2014-07-21 4:41 AM in reply to: bcraht |
Member 2098 Simsbury, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) **Yawn** fell asleep before 9 last night and I'm still tired from yesterday. Great race though - RR is up. Congrats to Yanti and Kingsley! Outstanding job kids! That bike video gave me chills - and I was at work (shh) so I watched it with the sound off! Well I'm going back to sleep before I gotta get up for work. Hope everyone had a great weekend! |
| 2014-07-21 7:11 AM in reply to: ponderingfox |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by Richardsdrr Originally posted by laffinrock I think with the 310 you need to put it under your hat. Each time your arm comes out of the water, the watch is trying to pick up gps to triangulate your position. Not really enough time to get a good fix, hence the dodgy distance and swim trace. Garmin managed to put in some new algorithms in the 910 that tries to predict where you're likely to be on the next swim stroke that speeds up gps fixing and gives more accurate data, but is still out. For those of you with Garmin 310TX's, have you had problems with incorrect distance on the swim? I just did an OWS that was supposed to be 750 yds. Yes, I was swerving all over the place (map looked like a Christmas tree!!), but my Garmin said I went 1,689 yds. and did a 1:18 100. While that time/distance would be nice, I know it can't possibly be right, even though I was wearing a wetsuit. Was it because I was wearing it on my wrist so there was extra distance from my strokes? Should I be wearing it under my swim cap instead? Thanks, Darren. That makes sense. Here's an article from DC Rainmaker that explains the concept. http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2007/09/how-to-swim-with-your-garmin-forerunner.html This is a great article but the algorithm has been updated numerous times since it was written. It's now fairly decent although the 910XT still does a better job with OWS. When I used my 310XT for the open water swim in the race last week, the result was garbage. The data was absolutely useless. Have you had better results? Tom, yes. See above. |
| 2014-07-21 9:37 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) |
| 2014-07-21 9:47 AM in reply to: SteveyD |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by SteveyD Hi Guys sorry i've been a bit off the radar - my phone is broken (and has been in repairs for 3 weeks now.... long story) So yeah, last few weeks Been riding a fair bit. Been swimming quite a lot But you all want to know about the TDF Well, in summary it was a bit, underwhelming if i'm totally honest. I was stationed "off route" meant to be directing spectators to the route. We were grouped into teams of 15 with a supervisor. My supervisor was the most jobsworth PITA disorganised useless rude person Ive met. So arrived at the check in at some rediculous hour (about 6am) having been out the night before at a concert... (we got tickets for a big festival in london at a price of £2.50 each (about $4) - normal price £80/$150) so was quite tired. Got assigned to group of 15 at checkin and we walked to our area of control. IF you look at the following google map link, youll see pretty much all we had control over https://www.google.com/maps/dir/52.1916914,0.124069/52.1938365,0.122... So the three "off route" in our group were meant to be assigned to the grass to the west of the road, directing people to the road. It became quite clear this was a completely useless position to be in , as if you got to the grass you could see the hordes of people on the road and where the race was going to go. After sitting in the baking morning sun for about 3 hours (with sun cream of course) on the grass, we decided that the three of us would be better positioned talking to people, letting people know what was going on and generally marshalling people. If you look carefully on the map, there is a load of parking bays, then a bike lane (red) then the road. We were trying to keep people behind the first white line on the red line in order to keep everyone at the same level - if people edge out further up they start edging out behind and you get a vicious circle. Everything went ok, people talking etc, until our supervisor decided to go on a round and started telling people they had to be on the kerb and weren't allowed to be on the road (behind the bike lane like we and the security staff decided). Tell you what, she pissed off about 200 + people there and was not good. You do not insult members of the public with the things she was saying - its just not right. Anyway, she cleared off and we let everyone back out to the red line slowly and jokingly. Caravan came along (freebies....) and threw about three things out along the whole of the couple hundred yards we had - they were also driving at 20+ miles an hour at this point ... bit underwhelming as expected lots and lots of goodies. When the actual tour came along, we had all hands on the road, keeping people back,. Being the nice guy I am, I crouched down to let the people behind me take photos, and was probably 3-4 inches away from the wheels on the outside of the pack - I could have taken out the peloton if I wanted! All the bikes were past in about 10s and then that was that. # Wanted to go home and watch the TV recording of the part in cambridge only to find that the TV company skipped to an advert break as soon as they left and the entire of cambridge was left out of the coverage...... How is everyone else Sorry to hear about your phone. That sucks. Thank you for volunteering. Sorry about the PitA supervisor but glad that you and the security team were there. I'm jealous that you got to see any part of the TdF in person. Oh, and thanks for not taking out the peloton. They are doing a good job of that without help! |
| 2014-07-21 9:56 AM in reply to: laffinrock |
Veteran 659 East Texas | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by laffinrock Bicycling Magazine's article about the TX guy who got hit by the truck, as well as of a woman who got run over, then stands up, walks away, then walks back to yell at the driver!! Good to see that this is getting some national press. http://blogs.bicycling.com/blogs/thehub/it-was-a-bad-week-for-cyclists-and-trucks
Well we were hoping it would make national news and it certainly did. I've seen that video posted everywhere now. It's crazy scary that it happened 1.5 miles from my house on a road I ride often. Made me realize it can happen anywhere anytime. |
| 2014-07-21 9:59 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
| Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) |
| 2014-07-21 10:01 AM in reply to: 0 |
| Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Stevey - too bad about the lack of freebie goodies, I'd be disappointed, too. Nice work and how cool to be that close to the peloton, even if it was for 10 seconds! Edited by melbo55 2014-07-21 10:02 AM |
| 2014-07-21 4:54 PM in reply to: melbo55 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) I think this is officially the quietest day EVER by the manatees!! To liven things up a bit I offer this little video.
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| 2014-07-21 5:55 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) Originally posted by amd723 thanks for that Ann-Marie. I think this is officially the quietest day EVER by the manatees!! To liven things up a bit I offer this little video.
Yes very quiet today, I figured you were all recovering from a big weekend of racing or partying or something like that. But now that it is Monday night over there I'm going to have to assume that you have all been... ...working, heaven forbid that they make you do that  |
| 2014-07-22 2:39 AM in reply to: StaceyK |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Manatee Monkey Mentors SHUT (Poptart or pet pic bribes considered) I rode home from work yesterday, had a shower and some food, then proceeded to fall asleep on the couch at 4:30pm until 8:30am this morning. Meh. Have come down with a nasty cold, and the bee/wasp sting I recieved in my neck on the bike ride last weekend at Tenby is still itching like hell and feels hot. Feeling rather lethargic today. |
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