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2007-09-20 10:06 AM

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Subject: Must race half before first marathon?
It has been suggested to me by a colleague that I need to run either a half marathon or at the very least a 10 miler before I run my first marathon this January. I do see the appeal and logic of this plan, but I work many weekends, and I am having a hard time finding a suitable long race that fits my work schedule. Has anyone ever run just a marathon, with only 5k and 10k racing experience?
Note: I am not trying for any sort of time with my first marathon. I'm doing Disney, and just want to enjoy myself enough to want to do more of them.


2007-09-20 10:11 AM
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I ran a marathon (RNR Arizona) without having done a half or 10 miler before.  Didn't bother me a bit, and my coach didn't seem all that concerned either!  So long as you do the training for the marathon, you should be fine!  Just remember to pace yourself!
2007-09-20 10:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Must race half before first marathon?

I didn't race a half before doing my first marathon, didn't know there was such a thing when I started training for my first, and probably ran four or more fulls before I ran a half.

Of course you'll run at least 13.1 miles several times in training for a marathon, so why would you "need" to race the distance?

2007-09-20 10:15 AM
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the bear - 2007-09-20 11:11 AM

Of course you'll run at least 13.1 miles several times in training for a marathon

Exactly.  You'll have multiple training runs that are well over half-mary distance, so who cares if any of them are in a race setting?

2007-09-20 10:22 AM
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I was in a similair situation for my first marathon ... I had never run any race before I decided that i wanted to do a marathon.. Once my training group found out they really pushed me into doing a 1/2 since they thought I need that experience of being in a race.  The whole not going out to fast, dodging people blah blah.. while they did have a point once I pointed out the basic's  

1. I show up on race dayand get chip

d. i go to start line

5. either a gun goes off or someone yells go

II. I start running then stop after the finish line

they pretty much dropped the idea..

I will usually do two 20 milers or a 20 and a 22 miler before a marathon and I learned more for them as far as my nutrition, pacing, and confidence goes

2007-09-20 10:27 AM
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The one advantage I could see if just so you have a better idea about how you will react to the pacing, nutrition, etc.  While I did long runs prior to my half, I didn't need to worry as much about nutrition and fluids because I knew I could also run to my car or whatever.  But when I raced the half-marathon I realized how VERY different it is than a 10k and would now be better prepared for a full marathon, if I were crazy enough to do that.  It's also totally mental, running that long with strangers, with no music, on a course you don't know.  Now that I know that, I might approach things differently.  Another advantage is that it's a much more fun way to knock out a long run.  You needed to run the distance anyway, why not do it supported in a fun environment and get a t-shirt!

I think that the same things would come from a long race of any kind. 



2007-09-20 10:28 AM
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Gaarryy - 2007-09-20 10:22 AM

I will usually do two 20 milers or a 20 and a 22 miler before a marathon and I learned more for them as far as my nutrition, pacing, and confidence goes

Yeah, really. Running, even racing, 13.1 miles has very little to do with running a marathon.

BikerGrrrl - 2007-09-20 10:27 AM

The one advantage I could see if just so you have a better idea about how you will react to the pacing, nutrition, etc.  I think that the same things would come from a long race of any kind. 

Uh, not really, not at that distance. Most people can run a half with minimal additional nutrition.



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2007-09-20 10:49 AM
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No half for me. To me a half and full are 2 entirely different animals. A half is just a medium training run in preperation for a full. Pacing for the 2 is entirely different. I see no value in making a half a pre-requisite to a full. In 20 weeks of marathon training you will see that distance a half dozen times at least.
2007-09-20 10:56 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2007-09-20 10:27 AM

The one advantage I could see if just so you have a better idea about how you will react to the pacing, nutrition, etc.  I think that the same things would come from a long race of any kind. 

Uh, not really, not at that distance. Most people can run a half with minimal additional nutrition.

Well, I must be different than most people. I can't run for over 2 hours and 17 minutes without some added calories.  In any event, I learned a lot from that half marathon and thought of many things along the way that I knew would help me to understand an endurance event of that type (times two for the mary, of course).   Another thing was that I didn't realize how much dodging people at the beginning would wear me out, which I would guess also applies to a marathon.

And I should have also highlighted that I was saying how I thought it might help and not that it's necessary.  I know that the OP has racing experience which I still think goes a long way to being prepared.  It's a lot better than the girls I ran my half with who had zero nutrition plan, wore brand new outfits on race day, etc.  Clearly something someone with experience wouldn't do. 



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2007-09-20 11:00 AM
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I was kind of hoping to do my first marathon during my first Ironman. I know several people who ran their first marathon as their first race ever and they did just fine.
2007-09-20 11:01 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2007-09-20 10:56 AM

 

BikerGrrrl - 2007-09-20 10:27 AM

The one advantage I could see if just so you have a better idea about how you will react to the pacing, nutrition, etc.  I think that the same things would come from a long race of any kind. 

Uh, not really, not at that distance. Most people can run a half with minimal additional nutrition.

Well, I must be different than most people. I can't run for over 2 hours and 17 minutes without some added calories.  

There's a big difference between "minimal" and "without some," as there is between "can't" and "don't want to."

Have you run a marathon? If so, did that really compare to running a half?



2007-09-20 11:05 AM
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Thanks for the replies, its helped put my mind at ease. I think I'll just stick with my plan of doing a couple fun 5ks this fall, and concentrating on the long runs.
2007-09-20 11:09 AM
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I have done two half mary races and am near finishing training for my first marathon.  I can tell you that my two races were NOTHING like what my marathon will be and I don't feel they helped me at all.  Doing 10 and 12 mile PACE runs  on Saturdays before my Sunday 20 milers has been way more help to me than those races were.  As stated above they are entirely different animals.  Nothing to do with each other at all.  I think doing a half iron before doing a full (not that I've done a full) is a much closer relationship and while not necessary, at least helps you with logistics and understanding the enormity of what you are getting into.  The half mary doesn't come close to that for the full marathon.  It is the training that is doing it for me, not  those two races.
2007-09-20 11:49 AM
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Its not impossible, however....

Having a half under your belt will help you tremendously during the marathon. You'll know a bit more what to expect. You'll also know about how to pace yourself.

Also, if you've never ran a 10-miler, you probably aren't ready for a marathon anyway.
2007-09-20 11:55 AM
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the bear - 2007-09-20 11:11 AM Of course you'll run at least 13.1 miles several times in training for a marathon, so why would you "need" to race the distance?

Exactly .... by the end of a typical marathon training plan that 13.1 will be a welcome "easy" long run day .......

And seriously, would you actually "race" the half if you signed up for it??  Or just use it as a long training run?  I raced the one I did before Boston this year and podiumed my AG ..... guess what?  I probably peaked that day and it only helped to diminish my marathon performance 5 weeks later .....

2007-09-20 12:51 PM
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steveseer - 2007-09-20 11:49 AM Also, if you've never ran a 10-miler, you probably aren't ready for a marathon anyway.

I thought that at first read too but after re-reading it the 10 miler reference is about doing a 10 mile race, not a 10 miler of any kind, I think.  It makes more sense that way. 

 



2007-09-20 1:05 PM
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Disney was my first marathon too (in 2002) and it is a great race - I've since run it 3 more times.

I had no intention of doing any other races while I was training for my first marathon but there happened to be a local 1/2 marathon about two months before my marathon. I was running 16 to 20 miles on my long runs at this point so I did the 1/2 as an 'easy' long (training) run. Turns out, that 1/2 became my PR 1/2 marathon and I had great fun doing it.

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2007-09-20 1:26 PM
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Must?  NO

I've had a fall marathon in my plan since January.  I didn't plan to do any 1/2 marathons.  However, through the course of the year I've done THREE.  For each one, the decision/registration was <7 days before the race.  They just happened to "fit" in my schedule.  These were my first halfs and have completed two marathons in prior years with zero half-marathon experience.

While I know the races are very different, the half-marathons helped me build general race confidence (applicable to 10k's, tri's, marathons).  Sure pacing, nutrition, etc. are different, but it never hurts to have additional data points.  You learn something at EVERY RACE.  The primary reason for me was to have fun and push myself a bit.

So... If it works with your schedule and doesn't interfere with your main goal (marathon performance), go for it and have fun.  If not, it's no big deal.

2007-09-21 11:35 AM
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I don't think it is necessary to do a half before attempting a full, especially with a goal of finishing.

I did a 15K and a 1/2 before I ran my first marathon and the main advantage was it gave me time to build a good level of aerobic conditioning before the fulll.  I would also say that it gave me some level of confidence, although the last 10K is always kind of a test of your strength (mental and physical).

As I have matured as a runner and continue to set harder goals, I use 1/2s and 30Ks to test my marathon race pace and nutrition.  That has been invaluable to me.

Good luck.

2007-09-21 2:13 PM
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If you train properly for a marathon, you will be ready for a marathon. There is absolutely no NEED to race anything beforehand.

Do you need to race a 5k before you do a 10k? I mean... its absurd.
2007-09-21 2:29 PM
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ranger5oh - 2007-09-21 2:13 PM If you train properly for a marathon, you will be ready for a marathon. There is absolutely no NEED to race anything beforehand. Do you need to race a 5k before you do a 10k? I mean... its absurd.

First race I ran was a 10K. Think I was running for five years, probably did 8 or so marathons, before I ran a 5K.



2007-09-21 3:22 PM
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You do not need to, but it could be very helpful if done at the right time and at the right effort level.

You will learn stuff that will help you. The more races you do the more at ease at are. Period. Experience helps. My first race was a half marathon . . . I did two before I did a 5k, so I never followed this advice. That said, I think I would have been less on edge for that first 13.1 if I had at least raced before . . . you know, pinning on numbers, attaching chips, dealing with crowds, port a lets, etc.

But you will be fine either way, as long as you trained right.

2007-09-21 9:54 PM
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You don't HAVE to do it, but I am not sure why you would not WANT to do them.
The half marathons down here fall perfectly into slots in which you would have to run long runs for Disney. I did 4 half marathons instead of my planned 13, 15, 16, 17 mile runs while training for Disney, my 1st marathon (in the case of the runs over 13.1, just keep running after collecting your goodies). The advantage is a different course each time, water provided, closed course, crowd support, sometimes nutrition, and a nice pile of medals.
I REALLY missed this while training for Chicago the last 16 weeks and am looking forward to it while training for Disney (already signed up for 3 halfs).
2007-09-21 10:14 PM
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My first race ever was a marathon. Yes it would been nice in some ways to have done a half. I do recommend it but it is not important. As long as you do your long runs you will have a clue on what you need.
2007-09-21 11:24 PM
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I went from never racing more than 10K to finishing my first marathon this year...and it looks pretty likely I'll do the LA mary again in March with no more than a 20K trail race under my belt before then. Marathon really is a different animal. Apropos of what someone said earlier, I can train at half mary distance w/ no additional nutrition (and have gone 13.25 with no additional hydration, to be honest), but that is not in any way true of a full mary. Even taking gels every hour and sports drink every two miles, I was absolutely depleted on my marathon...completely different experience from anything I'd run before.

Getting in a training run >=20 miles is more important than racing a 1/2...I didn't train at long enough distance and paid for it. Next one will be different.
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