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2008-10-17 6:27 PM

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Subject: USAT AG Drug Testing (pilot program)

From the 2008 Strategic Plan:

III. Strategic Objectives
A. Enhance the Quality of Multisport Events Strategic Objectives & Organization Goals
Strategic Objective
Establish a pilot program of random on-site drug testing of age group athletes.

Will you be ready to pee in a cup before your next race?   Dang, I'm going to have to lay off those anabolic steroids before next season gets underway.



2008-10-17 6:37 PM
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so does that mean I have to show the prescription for my inhalers??
2008-10-17 7:10 PM
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TriToy - 2008-10-17 6:37 PM

so does that mean I have to show the prescription for my inhalers??


Probably, assuming corticosteroids and/or stimulants are on the banned list, and I think most sports organizations ban these substances at certain levels. I think the Olympics ban caffeine at certain levels. How many Clif Shot espressos can I have and not fail?
2008-10-17 7:15 PM
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And how much is that going to add to my entrance fees?

2008-10-17 7:59 PM
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While I think it's commendable that they would like to address it, I foresee it being a huge can of worms better left unopened.

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2008-10-18 2:07 AM
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While I was putting on my wetsuit at AG Nationals 2 guys pulled out prescription inhalers and each took a shot. I can't question the medical necessity for those individual athletes. The inhalers both clearly had prescription labels. I just thought it was notable because there were 2 standing nearby, and I had never seen one used before. I didn't draw any conclusions other than, at my age I would have no problem getting a doctor to prescribe one for me. All I would have to tell him/her was that there were times I suffered very labored breathing when I just couldn't get enough oxygen and I became very light headed. Additionally many times these periods lasted more than a couple of hours.


2008-10-18 8:48 AM
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AG testing is stupid. If someone wants to spend a ton of money on EPO, HGH, blood doping, or whatever let them. I think there should be more testing for Pros, but as AGers, we are out there essentially 'to have fun.' What other sport tests AGers? AGers normally have jobs and are not out there racing a livelyhood, hence why they are not a Pro.

I know there is doping going on in the AG ranks, but so what? 

2008-10-18 9:45 AM
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I wonder if Sudafed would disqualify me? 
2008-10-18 10:02 AM
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yaqui - 2008-10-17 8:59 PM While I think it's commendable that they would like to address it, I foresee it being a huge can of worms better left unopened. scott

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I don't know anything about meds/drugs, but I've heard that a lot of AGers would fail regular drug tests, because banned substances are found in a lot of common medications. Not sure how accurate that is.

Is that even within their rights? I mean, I guess it would have to be disclosed at registration and wavers signed, etc. Not sure, though.....

2008-10-18 11:06 AM
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I totally see what you are saying, but cheating is cheating. There is without a doubt a huge issue with AG's taking PEDS. So if you go to a race and miss qualifying for Kona by 1 slot because someone ahead of you took epo, you are ok with that?

 

aarondavidson - 2008-10-18 8:48 AM

AG testing is stupid. If someone wants to spend a ton of money on EPO, HGH, blood doping, or whatever let them. I think there should be more testing for Pros, but as AGers, we are out there essentially 'to have fun.' What other sport tests AGers? AGers normally have jobs and are not out there racing a livelyhood, hence why they are not a Pro.

I know there is doping going on in the AG ranks, but so what? 

2008-10-18 11:11 AM
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I'm just going to pee in the lake.  They can sample lake water.


2008-10-18 12:41 PM
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aarondavidson - 2008-10-18 8:48 AM

AG testing is stupid. If someone wants to spend a ton of money on EPO, HGH, blood doping, or whatever let them. I think there should be more testing for Pros, but as AGers, we are out there essentially 'to have fun.' What other sport tests AGers? AGers normally have jobs and are not out there racing a livelyhood, hence why they are not a Pro.

I know there is doping going on in the AG ranks, but so what? 



We shouldn't worry about drafting in the AG ranks either by that reasoning. AG's spent a lot of time and money trying to achieve their goals, not to mention that many take themselves just as serious as if they were pros(or more for some!). The last time I was in Hawaii, I thought that it would be very interesting to test all the AG's. How many folks there would test ++? A pretty good number by my guess.

Even if they don't test a single person, adding the threat of testing is a great thing.
2008-10-18 1:06 PM
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What if they do test positive then what? Ban them? From what? Again we (AGers) are not out to win money, so if you ban an AGer there are a million other non-USAT sactioned races. Could they still 'buy' their way into races through community fund slots? or get to Kona through the lottery?

2008-10-18 1:34 PM
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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand yes people cheats, I would like to compete against a leveled field and bla bla bla, but on the other hand is someone has the need to cheat to beat anyone in a sport most of us do just for fun (even those trying to qualify to Kona) and the lifestyle well they have bigger issues to deal with. I mean who really cares if I finish 5 or 10 min faster other than myself and MAYBE my family and friends and only for like 10 minutes after I am done? 

 

IMO the USAT should work on a better drug testing program for Elite athletes, they should implement out and in competition testing, build up profiles, etc. After all they are the ones going after the $$, while us don't earn anything but personal satisfaction. Furthermore, with in competition testing for AGers, will be costly, many AGers have no idea what's a banned substance that they might use on a cold medicine and most important; those who indeed dope can do so all year gaining benefits and just stop before the event and go undetected. To make it effective they would have to test in and out of competition, do you know how much it would cost and how difficult the logistics would be?

 

I would rather them work on solving the drafting issue by implementing stricter penalties…

2008-10-18 4:44 PM
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The OP listed random drug testing for AG's. That would include the BOP'ers, which is an absolute waste.

Honestly, I would fail a drug test. I take many medications regularly and I do not have doctor notes for all of them. (I am the person who is legitimately using an inhaler.) But, I am so BOP that I'm not taking an award from anyone.
2008-10-18 5:06 PM
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SevenZulu - 2008-10-17 7:27 PM

From the 2008 Strategic Plan:

III. Strategic Objectives
A. Enhance the Quality of Multisport Events Strategic Objectives & Organization Goals
Strategic Objective
Establish a pilot program of random on-site drug testing of age group athletes.

Will you be ready to pee in a cup before your next race?   Dang, I'm going to have to lay off those anabolic steroids before next season gets underway.

I don't see this actually being implemented...  Age group athletes are amateurs.  Until they include amateurs in the pro prize pull there is no reason to even try this.  They need to spend more time on actual rule regulation such as drafting or what they plan on doing about speed suits.



2008-10-18 8:47 PM
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qrkid - 2008-10-18 9:06 AM

I totally see what you are saying, but cheating is cheating. There is without a doubt a huge issue with AG's taking PEDS. So if you go to a race and miss qualifying for Kona by 1 slot because someone ahead of you took epo, you are ok with that?

 



AG drug use? No wonder my improved times each year are not getting me improved placings. When I think about it, at my age I may be one of the few people not taking some sort of PEDs, I mean medications.
2008-10-18 9:24 PM
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qrkid - 2008-10-18 11:06 AM

I totally see what you are saying, but cheating is cheating. There is without a doubt a huge issue with AG's taking PEDS. So if you go to a race and miss qualifying for Kona by 1 slot because someone ahead of you took epo, you are ok with that?

There is? do you have any sources to back up this claim?
2008-10-18 10:20 PM
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amiine - 2008-10-18 2:34 PM

IMO the USAT should work on a better drug testing program for Elite athletes, they should implement out and in competition testing, build up profiles, etc. After all they are the ones going after the $$, while us don't earn anything but personal satisfaction. Furthermore, with in competition testing for AGers, will be costly, many AGers have no idea what's a banned substance that they might use on a cold medicine and most important; those who indeed dope can do so all year gaining benefits and just stop before the event and go undetected. To make it effective they would have to test in and out of competition, do you know how much it would cost and how difficult the logistics would be?

Agreed 100%   There is just no way to do this for amateurs that makes any sense.

2008-10-18 10:37 PM
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I was trying to figure out how this might be done in a way that made sense. What if they occasionally test, and possibly disqualify, some of the age group winners? Those are the only one's who have won 'something' and possibly denied someone else the placing, whether it was for a Kona spot or just the medal.

Edit: I'm not arguing for such a system; just trying to figure out what they might be intending.

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2008-10-19 11:32 AM
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amiine - 2008-10-18 9:24 PM
qrkid - 2008-10-18 11:06 AM

I totally see what you are saying, but cheating is cheating. There is without a doubt a huge issue with AG's taking PEDS. So if you go to a race and miss qualifying for Kona by 1 slot because someone ahead of you took epo, you are ok with that?

There is? do you have any sources to back up this claim?

 

Well you can start at this link and spend all day reading about it. Granted not all of these people are triathletes, but there are a number of posts from people stating that they are triathletes. Keep in mind that these are people who are comfortable stating all of this in a public forum, we can only guess as to how many keep it to themselves. It would be great to believe that AGers are not cheating, but I personally think you are being a little naive if you do.

I guess i should post the link.

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=4ccc57839d99f8d407cfdceab7182ed8&threadid=18284

 



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2008-10-19 12:00 PM
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Considering the extreme competetiveness of top AGers and the currently absent testing for PEDs amongst their ranks, I would tend to think doping occurs more at the top echelon of AGer than the pros, who risk being tested routinely and risk being banned from competition and losing lucrative sponsorships for positive (or even suspect) test results.

I can't be convinced that some top AGers who have the time to train nearly as much as pros, have the money for the best coaching and equipment money can buy, will stop short of taking performance enhancers when it comes to a podium spot, Kona slot, whatever.  In our current system, they have everything to gain and nothing to lose by doping.

I would support random testing of the top AG finishers (whether it is a random sampling of the top 10, or the podium finishers), at major races such as 70.3 and IM championship qualifyers, nationals, etc. Such random sampling would place those who alrerady know they are in contention with the foreknowledge that they could be tested, and would also be well-versed in what was banned, have medical exemptions, whatever. 

I've never tried to hide the fact that even though I'm a solid BOPer, I've been taking DHMO for years. My wife harps on me for taking so much during training, but I'm convinced it is just about the best performance enhancer I've ever come across and around here, it's as plentiful as water and until I'm a podium contender, I'll keep taking it.

 

 

2008-10-19 12:15 PM
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qrkid - 2008-10-19 11:32 AM
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qrkid - 2008-10-18 11:06 AM

I totally see what you are saying, but cheating is cheating. There is without a doubt a huge issue with AG's taking PEDS. So if you go to a race and miss qualifying for Kona by 1 slot because someone ahead of you took epo, you are ok with that?

There is? do you have any sources to back up this claim?

 

Well you can start at this link and spend all day reading about it. Granted not all of these people are triathletes, but there are a number of posts from people stating that they are triathletes. Keep in mind that these are people who are comfortable stating all of this in a public forum, we can only guess as to how many keep it to themselves. It would be great to believe that AGers are not cheating, but I personally think you are being a little naive if you do.

I guess i should post the link.

http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=4ccc57839d99f8d407cfdceab7182ed8&threadid=18284

it is very different to state some people cheat (either using drugs, drafting, cutting the course etc.) from making a statement like yours in which you claim there are HUGE issues with AGers doping. That makes it sound like the vast majority cheats and that to me is inaccurate, misleading and unfair to those AGers who train and do well given their specific abilities. This will also lead beginners to believe that those ahead must be accimplishing that cuz they cheat. I don't doubt people cheat, I've see them doing so (drafting) but the idea that the USAT might implement testing on amateurs and only on race day IMO is just a waste of time, money and even it can create more problems. I also think they should focus on pros because for them someone cheating can indeed make them miss a paycheck which is very important.

If a AGers wants to expose his/her body and use drugs to cheat and win nothing but bragging rights, I am ok with it. From what I've seen most AGe results at IM or 70.3 aren't unbelievable or extraordinary to lead anyone to believe it can't be achieved by just training lots. Plus, it just makes it that more sweeter for those of us who just working hard when we beat those who to cheat in something which at the end of the day we do for fun

2008-10-19 1:12 PM
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phillybarb - 2008-10-18 5:44 PM The OP listed random drug testing for AG's. That would include the BOP'ers, which is an absolute waste. Honestly, I would fail a drug test. I take many medications regularly and I do not have doctor notes for all of them. (I am the person who is legitimately using an inhaler.) But, I am so BOP that I'm not taking an award from anyone.

 

I have moderate reactive airway disease (fully diagnosed by  methylcholine challenge - thanks Navy).  But being a physician I often use sample inhalers (partly to be able to tell patients the side effects, etc).  So no pharmacy label on them - I guess I will have to laminate prescriptions from my doc for each type of inhaler I MIGHT use???

not that I am on the podium  but sheesh  what a waste of time - think of all the cold meds that contain banned substances!

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